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I thought a thread dedicated to rifle questions would be ok . so here goes...

anyone know more info about these kinds of rifles...
http://www.thm-online.dk/perioder/28/46/46-SB3439/

sorry for tex beeing in danish.
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I found that. Might be of help

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?p=294304

http://www.vaabenhistoriskselskab.dk...a/ad_intro.php
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thanx that helped.
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Thought I'd ask a question to gauge the knowledge of the board.
Who knows what a "Motty" is and why is it significant?
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Thought I'd ask a question to gauge the knowledge of the board.
Who knows what a "Motty" is and why is it significant?
According to Wiki, it's the only known hybrid between Affrican and Asian elephants. But somehow I don't think that's the answer you're looking for.
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Hi General Pain,

the rifle is on Worldguns. I did not read the whole linked threats, Mohoender posted. So my link may contain nothing of value, but still it might be of some interest.

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http://world.guns.ru/rifle/autoloadi...en-m196-e.html
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There are a couple of things I think might be relevant:

Motti: Finnish tactic in the Winter War of cutting Soviet units into bite size chunks and then massacring them.

More likely as it's in a thread title "Rifles" could be references to John (I think) Motton, founder of an Australian gunsmithing dynasty. Motty's were rifles that had been accurised by him, or sights added by him. He stamped his work and many rifles accurised by him are referred to as Motty's.

Further off the mark there's also an obscure slang word: Motty which means c*nt, but I can't see how that's at all relevant to the thread.

Unless of course you're referring to that legendary protector of Western Civilization: the great John Mottson.
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Unless of course you're referring to that legendary protector of Western Civilization: the great John Mottson.
There can only be one Motty...!
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Amen to that, brother!
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According to Wiki, it's the only known hybrid between Affrican and Asian elephants. But somehow I don't think that's the answer you're looking for.
I'll have to read up on that one. I watched a show on the Science Channel once, which said that the two can't be bred naturally, because they absolutely hate each other.
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Simon, you got it right (your googlefu is strong).

John Motton, world class marksman who started out making bicycles and went on to be a world class gunsmith famous for "Motty's paste" (a rifle cleaning compound) which could be found around the world, and his outstanding accurisation work on rifles in the first half of the C20th. Although he was a superior shot, he was often used by the national team as coach rather than competitor, but he did still manage to shoot from time to time with huge success.

His relevance to target shooting is he built the prize rifle for the annual "Kings (later Queens) shot".
My grandfather had a "Motty" which has now been passed down to somebody in absolute total AWE of what the rifle can do, the phenomenal skill of the shooter, and of the gunsmith who made it!
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Simon, you got it right (your googlefu is strong).

John Motton, world class marksman who started out making bicycles and went on to be a world class gunsmith famous for "Motty's paste" (a rifle cleaning compound) which could be found around the world, and his outstanding accurisation work on rifles in the first half of the C20th. Although he was a superior shot, he was often used by the national team as coach rather than competitor, but he did still manage to shoot from time to time with huge success.

His relevance to target shooting is he built the prize rifle for the annual "Kings (later Queens) shot".
My grandfather had a "Motty" which has now been passed down to somebody in absolute total AWE of what the rifle can do, the phenomenal skill of the shooter, and of the gunsmith who made it!

So what sort of rifle is the Motty based around? And I can only wonder what the going price for one of those is...
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The ones I know about are .303 Lee Metfords and SMLEs. My grandfathers started life as a 1920 production SMLE Mark III* and shoots much better than the L42 I laid my hands on a few years ago - he shot a "Possible" (100% bullseyes) at 1000 yards with iron sights. Says a lot for his eyesight too I suppose....
I can only hope to be half the marksman once I get back onto the range for some much needed practise.

The drawback with the weapon is the brutal recoil. Apparently he had to give up competitive shooting because it actually knocked him unconscious on the mound! I'm hoping I can find a decent rubber pad that isn't too thick so I can avoid the same fate.
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There is only one Motty!

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I was curious about the Motty rifles and did a quick search, found this thread on Surplus Rifle Forum. It has a number of pictures of a Lee Metford rifle that has been given the Motty treatment.
There isn't really much to see that makes the rifle stand out visually but the people on the forum comment on the various features that make this rifle different to a standard Lee Metford.
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/vie...?f=27&t=106837

As a side note, anyone interested in British Commonwealth military rifles (and also a few of the pistols and SMGs) might find Ian Skennerton's series of books worth a look
http://www.skennerton.com/rifles.html
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Yes, on initial inspection Motty's look much like any other rifle, however when you look closely you start to see some interesting little details like upgraded state of the art sights (for the period).
The man was a master of his craft and apparently a very skilled sportsman in more than just shooting. I've seen references to him being a footballer, cricketer, and he even rode as a jockey in the 1887? Melbourne Cup (premier Australian horse race).
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