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Old 12-21-2018, 12:37 PM
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Default Early Phase Cache Upgrades

When The Morrow Project put its people into the Bolt Holes they had been through extensive training on their weapons and equipment. I wonder though if The Project ever thought as new issues came out to revisit already sealed Bolt Holes and upgrade the gear?

Say a team is issued with M14s. Well and good, they know how to strip, maintain and clean them. Would Project armourers think to upgrade those M14s with picatinny rails and sighting mods? How about new armour mixed in with the old stuff?
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Old 12-21-2018, 03:59 PM
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You can actually do three different upgrades, depending on when you start your version and when you start the war.

First version could be frozen in the early 1960s.

A second upgrade in the late 70s, early 80s.

A perhaps a late 90s upgrade, sort of a last minute, emergency deployment of newly developed tech.
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This is one of the many reasons I always assume that BEM was able to provide the approximate date of the war, say within a year. No need to upgrade, no sending people into the nuclear aftermath with gear that is either outdated or unfamiliar. This is no scenario to tackle with less than the best gear, or anything you cannot pick up and use on day 1.
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For those that don't have 4e, it specifies global cache upgrades in 1987, 1999 and 2013.
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Old 12-22-2018, 07:25 AM
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So we are saying that all caches are upgraded? That either no M14s are left in caches before The Big Event or they are brought up to a 2013 standard?
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Old 12-22-2018, 09:30 AM
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I dislike the idea of replacing everything a team has trained on with possibly unfamiliar weapons and/or equipment.

I think the 1987 update would be more extensive as that's when the fusion units and lasers were added. Per 4e, this included a global update of not only the caches but boltholes as well.

Subsequent updates wouldn't have been as extensive both for the training impact and security issues.

As a side note, 4e even includes a table to randomly generate the era of cache equipment so there does appear to be some intent to possibly give a team equipment they've never seen before.
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The problems of replacing equipment gets even bigger when you consider people being used gear that they simply don't understand. Give a guy from the 60s, trained on the M14, a laser weapon that he needs to maintain and operate, and odds are good that a few dozen innocent people are going to be permanently blinded. And god help them if there is a problem with that fusion reactor and they're sitting there under fire trying to fix something that looks nothing like a gas engine.
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Or do you create a logistical and security nightmare and wake the teams on a rotational basis so they can be trained on their new toys?
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For a change of pace playing a 1975 team with a 2013 stockpile would be interesting. Trying to play a person who missed the Information Age by a large amount confronted my modern electronics would be fun
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Perhaps a clerical error means a Team and half it's caches are missed in the upgrades, so they can still feed their older gear.
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I am so tempted to run a game with a bunch of 'Paranoia'-Style clerical errors.

"You open the cache to see that it is entirely filled with converse shoes. Size 8, left foot only."
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Also, I think the early teams would have been using AR-10's instead of M14's, or at least along side them. SMG's might be M1 Thompsons, M3A1's and M1911A1 sidearms prior to adoption of the 9X19 systems. The 9MM sidearms in 4E are marked "1979", so that means the very first 1960's teams COULD have .45ACP firearms.
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Also, I think the early teams would have been using AR-10's instead of M14's, or at least along side them. SMG's might be M1 Thompsons, M3A1's and M1911A1 sidearms prior to adoption of the 9X19 systems. The 9MM sidearms in 4E are marked "1979", so that means the very first 1960's teams COULD have .45ACP firearms.
It would be interesting if they started issuing HK UMP SMGs in the 2000s to utilise all that .45 ammo
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It would be interesting if they started issuing HK UMP SMGs in the 2000s to utilise all that .45 ammo
Hope no one wakes up to an emergency when their weapons are unfamiliar, require cleaning and assembly. I've watched people struggle to assemble weapons they owned and knew, I wouldn't want to do it to an unfamiliar gun in a life and death situation.
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