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Has anyone done any work on pre-gunpowder artillery other than the oversized crossbow from Challenge #66?
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The World Tamer's Handbook for TNE had rules for creating bows, crossbows, catapults and black powder guns that was compatible with FF&S, IIRC.
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The World Tamer's Handbook has black powder guns and cannon, bows and crossbows, and wagons, but not pre-gunpowder artillery (and the crossbows don't scale up - a 3 meter steel crossbow is Dam 1, Pen Nil, Rng 60).
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Doesn't 2.2 have a black powder weapon?
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I could see people using things like Pumpkin Chuckers (look it up for those who arent from the US) to start throwing things a heck of a lot more deadly than pumpkins. A trebuchet would be a very interesting weapon to use to help either attack or defend a town - and there are people who build them even today.
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Ah, okay, thanks. Been some time since I read through the book.
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Or nice big rocks or hunks of debris as well - considering the damage they did in medieval times to very thick well built castle walls I can imagine the damage they would do to your average house or store once they cleared the wall and landed
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For close range a PIAT style launcher might lob a molotov or explosive. I know it used a rocket projectile in WWII, but a powerful spring could push small things a ways.
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In early WWI, large crossbows were used to fling hand grenades from fixed positions at a range of about 150 meters. Such devices make sense as part of a community's fortifications and really only needs a supply of grenades in terms of advanced gear. Crew was usually just two men.
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I really don't see them as common weapons but you can certainly built them with a little know how and some scrounged materials.
Some communities could use against criminals or marauders, not a effective weapon but a fear weapon. Some Examples Are Hwacha - A multiple rocket launcher developed by Koreans based on ancient Han Chinese technological innovations and deployed in the defence of the Korean peninsula against Japanese invasion in the 1590s. As some of you might know this system was rebuilt and tested on the show MythBusters durring it 2008 season. Ballista - An ancient military siege engine in the form of a crossbow. Typically it was used to hurl large bolts, and had better accuracy than a catapult at the expense of reduced range. Catapult or Trebuchet - Used to hurl large objects, like say a cow, at english dig dog K NITES who are looking for the Holy Grail. Fire arrow - A simple unguide rocket think along the lines of fireworks. Another option is for a Old Black Powder Cannon, Say like from the US Civil War.
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On a kind of related note, there were catapult launchers used during the 1944 Warsaw Uprising to lob grenades and Molotov cocktails but the Resistance also apparently made crossbow- and pipe-type launchers for Molotovs as well.
There's a reference to such devices on the following webpage: - http://www.polishresistance-ak.org/25%20Article.htm There's nothing but the barest details but they can be found under the section titled WEAPONS PRODUCED BY THE HOME ARMY which is just past the half way mark on the page then proceed to the sub-section titled Flamethrowers and catapults for Molotov Cocktails and hand grenades: There's an example of a catapult-type launcher in the Polish Army Museum in Warsaw that is basically a set of leaf springs and a hand-crank, fitted with a cradle for the bottle or grenade. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...g_Catapult.JPG |
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So the Israelis are using an honest-to-god trebuchet to launch incendiaries over the border wall into Lebanon.
https://www.twz.com/news-features/me...-latest-weapon The article includes a brief video of the trebuchet in action. It also includes video of Israeli troops using a bow to shoot flaming arrows, and some sort of compressed air gun to fire Molotov cocktails. All of these non-gunpowder weapons would be possible in the T2kU. -
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Coincidentally, Tod's Workshop went into fire arrows about a month ago, recreating a 15th century recipe from the Fireworks Book. The Royal Armouries did a translation of that book a few years back, and most of the recipes are basically not-quite-gunpowder mixtures of saltpeter, sulfur, and charcoal, but some add things like ground resin (which would probably make the burning gel he mentions a couple times) or potentially toxic smoke compounds like ammonium chloride, mercuric chloride, or arsenic (probably orpiment or realgar, arsenic mixed with sulfur).
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The Home Guard in Britain during especially the post-Dunkirk period had, and would used after an invasion, some weird and wonderful stuff.
https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-real-dads-army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Gun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_G...United_Kingdom) From memory they have something that fired Molotov cocktails... The 'different' stuff is here: http://www.badwellashheritage.co.uk/...he-home-guard/ |
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Tod went back to see what Fire Arrows v. Armor would be like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_tvW6D4ZGE&t=402s And honestly getting hit with one would not be a fun time. Using the clothing/gambeson (about 6:41 into the video) as a stand in for modern body armor. I would say no damage from the arrow but the fire could cause burn damage. |
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