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1st Edition (the original) 13 44.83%
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Twilight 2013 5 17.24%
4th Edition (the latest) 3 10.34%
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Old 06-14-2021, 10:29 AM
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Default Which Edition's Timeline Is Most Plausible?

None of them are perfect, and it's all relative, but which edition's timeline do you consider to be the most plausible? There is no "other" option in this poll- that is deliberate. There could be an infinite number of homebrew timelines out there, so the poll only focuses on published, canonical ones.

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Old 06-14-2021, 10:37 AM
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For the pivotal moment in history 2ED was it, but now T2013 has the crown.
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1st edition with the caveat that this is alternate history from WAY before 1995 or even when most of the "history" was written in 1983.

I have the alternate history change from the late 60s (Russians finding gold and Oil on the Chinese borders). To get around the currently discussed difficulties with having the German's "start" the European war, I would have something happen during the Vietnam war that demonstrated to the Germans that Europe did NOT have the US's full attention and they demanded more autonomy in their actions. It starts small but over the next 2 decades incremental changes get them to the point where they would have the authority to do what is listed in the V1 history.


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Given the choices above I'd have to go with v1 (with v2.2 equipment), but I really think the timeline should be advanced to 2030-2035.
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Old 06-14-2021, 04:18 PM
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Given the choices above I'd have to go with v1 (with v2.2 equipment), but I really think the timeline should be advanced to 2030-2035.
It's tough to say - V2 and T2013's start with real events before branching into speculation. V1 was speculative from the beginning of their timeline.

I've been doing a T2025 timeline starting in 2018 and there is so much that is unbelievable if you were to predict but actually occurred. Trying to guess what happens next is difficult.

What will China do in the Pacific? Invade Taiwan? Conflict with Vietnam, Malaysia, Japan re: Spratleys?

Belarus and Russia - potential interaction with Ukraine and the Baltics. What will Poland do re: further aggression to their regional neighbors if Belarusian dissidents in Ukraine do something and the subsequent promise by Russia to support Belarus?

Azerbaijan/Armenia.

Syria/Turkey/Iraq/Iran.

Iran sending ships to Venezuela.

Potential conflict resulting from COVID origin investigations.

France informing the US that China is hiding radioactive leaks from Chinese-run France/China-owned nuke plants.

Even predicting what will happen next month is hard, let alone all the way out to 2030...

I think a 2-3 year lead to the speculative future history of at most 5 years is probably the sweet spot.

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Old 06-15-2021, 03:50 AM
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I went for V1. Itís the classic timeline that I have known for over thirty years and other than the instances where Iíve played in games with a home brew near future time line V1 is the timeline that Iíve always used. To be honest itís only in the last couple of weeks that Iíve heard anyone raise question marks about its plausibility - Iím not discounting what our German members have said, but for me V1 is probably the least implausible (with the caveat that Iíve only briefly read V4 at this stage).
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Old 06-16-2021, 06:48 AM
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I went for V1. Itís the classic timeline that I have known for over thirty years and other than the instances where Iíve played in games with a home brew near future time line V1 is the timeline that Iíve always used. To be honest itís only in the last couple of weeks that Iíve heard anyone raise question marks about its plausibility - Iím not discounting what our German members have said, but for me V1 is probably the least implausible (with the caveat that Iíve only briefly read V4 at this stage).
I think all of them can be challenged in regards to plausibility - multiple plot points sound far-fetched at times. But, in looking at actual past events, it becomes very clear that most nations really don't want conflict bigger than a skirmish. Russian-brokered peace between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Saudi-brokered ceasefire in Yemen. India and China fighting at their border. Multiple coups throughout Africa, but ceasefires and peaceful endings as well.

Lots of smoldering going on, but no real desires for open fighting involving declarations of war and invasions of territory. It may very well be that the COVID pandemic has tempered governments (or that they've been forced to be more isolationist).

Some what-ifs that could turn current events hot in a "Twilight:2025" future timeline include China conflicts in the South China Sea, Iran/Turkey/Syria conflicts over Kurdish militias and Syrian rebels resulting in invasions of Iraq or Iranian involvement in Venezuela, possibly Belarus/Russia movements involving Crimea/Ukraine and the Baltics.

The most unknowable is the middle east - Saudi, Turk, Iranian, Russian involvement in trying to bring peace to Syria - all while Saudi is meeting with Iran while also warming a bit to Israel but Turkey is slightly hostile to UAE over their warming of relations with Israel. While Israel skirmishes with Iran-backed Hamas in Gaza.
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V1 is the most plausible to me given the China War and the losses that the WP nations take, combined with what was really going on in Europe at the time with people starting to have had it with Soviet rule in Eastern Europe all combining and leading to the East and West Germans trying for reunification.

The V2.2 timeline has issues with the war start in Europe - but in Asia totally believable
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V1 is the most plausible to me given the China War and the losses that the WP nations take, combined with what was really going on in Europe at the time with people starting to have had it with Soviet rule in Eastern Europe all combining and leading to the East and West Germans trying for reunification.

The V2.2 timeline has issues with the war start in Europe - but in Asia totally believable
So how would you adapt a v1 timeline to the current world situation? I get that v4 is playing in 2000 so you can drop in the campaign stuff from v1/v2 with v4 rules, but it seems like they missed an opportunity for it to be Twilight:2025 by introducing two or three potential timelines... That is - a classic 2000, maybe a 2010 one where 9/11 ultimately led to WW3, and a 2025 or 2030 one where maybe China is a problem leading to WW3...

All that having been said, taking the Fallout/Wasteland approach to timeline and backstory might have been better...
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So how would you adapt a v1 timeline to the current world situation? I get that v4 is playing in 2000 so you can drop in the campaign stuff from v1/v2 with v4 rules, but it seems like they missed an opportunity for it to be Twilight:2025 by introducing two or three potential timelines... That is - a classic 2000, maybe a 2010 one where 9/11 ultimately led to WW3, and a 2025 or 2030 one where maybe China is a problem leading to WW3...

All that having been said, taking the Fallout/Wasteland approach to timeline and backstory might have been better...
I actually wish the V4 had just used either the V1 or V2.2 timeline and just went with updated rules, weapons, etc.. - would have been the best of both worlds

The V1 timeline really doesnt work with today's world situation - for one China has changed tremendously - when the timeline was written in the 1980's China was literally a joke military compared to today's China - remember the only mention they had in Red Dawn was a throw away line how 600 million screaming Chinamen were our only allies except the British - i.e basically totally disdaining their military capabilities

Remember the timeline basically is that the Soviets are shocked that the Chinese actually can stand up to them - that they and everyone else expected them to not be able to do much against the Soviets except die in large numbers

Now any Soviet/Russian invasion of China would be vastly different - in fact I dont see any such invasion even being possible given the Chinese Army as it stands today - not unless Russia somehow hit them with an all out nuke strike first and took out their missiles on the ground

Also NATO is not the NATO of the 1980's - the German Army is a pale shadow of its Cold War self, the Dutch are just as bad and the UK came within an inch of getting rid of its tanks - and the Poles and Czechs would 100% fight the Russians until hell froze over and then fight on the ice - i.e. they wouldnt join in any way against NATO like the V1 timeline or the V2.2

that is one place where the V4 is right in how it handles the Poles - I dont see the V1 or V2.2 timelines really appreciating just how much the Poles and Czechs hated the Soviets
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For me the only way a T2K setting is plausible is if the Soviet Union really was the SuperPower that it was portrayed as for many years, with the mighty military forces and nuclear missile capability that we/NATO believed it to have during the majority of Cold War. I therefore think that points at the version 1 timeline as the most "plausible", even though it's based on the fiction of the time regarding the military strength of the Soviet Union.

My own homebrew timeline is therefore based on a truly powerful Soviet Union that never collapsed with various events that trigger WWIII.
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The v1 timeline doesn't really work for me, which is a shame, because I love the Poland sandbox. The v2.2 timeline works a little better, and I've never read the T2013 one.

With only a few changes (the conceit of the new designers regarding Sweden, for instance), the v4 timeline works for me for plausibility. It's not perfect, but I like it considerably better than its predecessors.
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