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Naval War Starting Questions

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Last evening I started listing all USN vessels. Criteria was any vessel still in service 1989-1990, and any vessel built before 1998. This got me to thinking, which can be dangerous, because then I don't sleep well with the brain in gear.

Reagan's goal was a 600-ship navy, and the US was pretty close to that when the wall came down. With the wall never coming down, there would (IMO) not be a rush to decommission many of the vessels. Therefore I propose those vessels decommissioned on/after 1989 would remain in service at least another 6 years. Most of these vessels were only 25-30 years old when they went to mothballs, were sold off, scraped, or what-ever in the 89-90 timeframe. At the very least they would be reserve fleet minimal manned IMO. If I recall, the Navy was not suffering too badly for manning in the Cold War era.


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Hey, since you're making that list, would you mind sharing it? Pretty please!

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I'd like to see more on joint task forces and the like. I'd like to get some idea of what the present order of battle of the fleets would be.


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US Naval Vessels pt1

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Port code:
PEN Pensacola FL
YOK Yokosuka Japan
NOR Norfolk VA
MAY Mayport FL
SDG San Diego CA
BRM Bremerton WA
EVT Everett WA
LBE Long Beach CA
PHB Pearl Harbor HI
PAS Pascagoula MS
GAE Gaeta Italy
CHA Charleston SC
SUB Subic Bay Philippine Islands
ALM Alameda CA
NPT Newport RI
PHL Philadelphia PA
SNF San Francisco CA
BOS Boston MA
SEA Seattle WA
HON Honolulu HI
PSM Portsmouth VA
NBF New Bedford MA
KEY Key West FL
PNH Portsmouth NH
WIL Wilmington NC
PAT Patrick AFB FL
PAW Port Angeles WA
SPB St Petersburg FL
MIA Miami Beach FL
PCF Panama City FL
GAL Galveston TX
CMY Cape May NJ
KOD Kodiak AK
KET Kechikan AK
LCR Little Creek VA
SAS Sasebo Japan
ING Ingleside TX




Class/Hull NAME Svc Home
Carriers
CVT16 LEXINGTON 43 91 PEN
CV 41 MIDWAY 45 92 YOK
CV 43 CORAL SEA 47 90 NOR
CV 59 FORRESTAL 55 93 PEN
CV 60 SARATOGA 56 94 MAY
CV 61 RANGER 57 93 SDG
CV 62 INDEPENDENCE 59 00 YOK
CV 63 KITTY HAWK 61 00 YOK
CV 64 CONSTELLATION 61 00 SDG
CVN65 ENTERPRISE 61 00 NOR
CV 66 AMERICA 69 00 NOR
CV 67 JOHN F. KENNEDY 68 00 MAY
CVN68 NIMITZ 75 00 SDG
CVN69 DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER 77 00 NOR
CVN70 CARL VINSON 82 00 BRM
CVN71 THEODORE ROOSEVELT 86 00 NOR
CVN72 ABRAHAM LINCOLN 89 00 EVT
CVN73 GEORGE WASHINGTON 90 00 NOR
CVN74 JOHN C. STENNIS 95 00 SDG
CVN75 HARRY S. TRUMAN 98 00 NOR

Battleships
BB61 IOWA 43 90 NOR
BB62 NEW JERSEY 43 91 LBE
BB63 MISSOURI 43 92 LBE
BB64 WISCONSIN 44 91 NOR

Cruisers
CGN9 LONG BEACH 61 95 SDG
CG 16 LEAHY 62 93 SDG
CG 17 HARRY E. YARNELL 63 93 NOR
CG 18 WORDEN 63 93 PHB
CG 19 DALE 63 94 MAY
CG 20 RICHMOND K. TURNER 64 95 PAS
CG 21 GRIDLEY 63 94 SDG
CG 22 ENGLAND 63 94 SDG
CG 23 HALSEY 63 94 SDG
CG 24 REEVES 64 93 YOK
CGN25 BAINBRIDGE 62 96 NOR
CG 26 BELKNAP 64 95 GAE
CG 27 JOSEPHUS DANIELS 65 94 NOR
CG 28 WAINWRIGHT 66 93 CHA
CG 29 JOUETT 66 94 SDG
CG 30 HOME 67 94 LBE
CG 31 STERETT 67 94 SUB
CG 32 WILLIAM H. STANDLEY 66 94 SDG
CG 33 FOX 66 94 SDG
CG 34 BIDDLE 67 93 NOR
CGN35 TRUXTUN 67 95 SDG
CGN36 CALIFORNIA 74 98 BRM
CGN37 SOUTH CAROLINA 75 98 NOR
CGN38 VIRGINIA 76 94 NOR
CGN39 TEXAS 77 93 ALM
CGN40 MISSISSIPPI 78 97 NOR
CGN41 ARKANSAS 80 97 BRM

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Last edited by graebardeII : 01-22-2006 at 01:45 PM.


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This is an extract of my Escort Orbat, stripping out foreign and fantasy shipbuilding program ships, which includes all US Navy and Coast Guard major surface combatants in the fleet in the late 1980s, scheduled to be built in the 1990s according to 1987 plans, or still in Navy custody in 1992.

I've set up a work group at:
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/t2knavalwar/

I've made posting members only to keep spammers at bay...

-Chico
Attached Files USN & USCG 1990s ColdWar.doc (81.5 KB, 33 views)



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US Navy pt2

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Class/Hull NAME Svc Home
Cruisers
CG 47 TICONDEROGA 83 00 PAS
CG 48 YORKTOWN 84 00 PAS
CG 49 VINCENNES 85 00 YOK
CG 50 VALLEY FORGE 86 00 SDG
CG 51 THOMAS S. GATES 87 00 PAS
CG 52 BUNKER HILL 86 00 SDG
CG 53 MOBILE BAY 87 00 SDG
CG 54 ANTIETAM 87 00 SDG
CG 55 LEYETE GULF 87 00 NOR
CG 56 SAN JACINTO 88 00 NOR
CG 57 LAKE CHAMPLAIN 88 00 SDG
CG 58 PHILIPPINE SEA 89 00 MAY
CG 59 PRINCETON 89 00 SDG
CG 60 NORMANDY 89 00 NOR
CG 61 MONTEREY 90 00 NOR
CG 62 CHANCELLORSVILLE 89 00 YOK
CG 63 COWPENS 91 00 YOK
CG 64 GETTYSBURG 91 00 MAY
CG 65 CHOSIN 91 00 PHB
CG 66 HUE CITY 91 00 MAY
CG 67 SHILO 92 00 SDG
CG 68 ANZIO 92 00 NOR
CG 69 VICKSBURG 92 00 MAY
CG 70 LAKE ERIE 93 00 PHB
CG 71 CAPE ST. GEORGE 93 00 NOR
CG 72 VELLA GULF 93 00 NOR
CG 73 PORT ROYAL 94 00 PHB

Destroyer
DDG37 FARRAGUT 60 89 NOR
DDG38 LUCE 61 91 MAY
DDG39 MACDONOUGH 61 92 CHA
DDG40 COONTZ 60 89 NOR
DDG41 KING 60 91 NOR
DDG42 MAHAN 60 93 CHA
DDG43 DAHLGREN 60 92 NOR
DDG44 WILLIAM B. PRATT 61 91 CHA
DDG45 DEWEY 59 90 CHA
DDG46 PREBLE 60 91 NOR
DDG51 ARLEIGH BURKE 91 00 NOR
DDG52 BARRY 92 00 NOR
DDG53 JOHN PAUL JONES 93 00 SDG
DDG54 CURTIS WILBUR 94 00 YOK
DDG55 STOUT 94 00 NOR
DDG56 JOHN S. MCCAIN 94 00 YOK
DDG57 MITSCHER 94 00 NOR
DDG58 LABOON 95 00 NOR
DDG59 RUSSELL 95 00 PHB
DDG60 PAUL HAMILTON 95 00 PHB
DDG61 RAMAGE 95 00 NOR
DDG62 FITZGERALD 95 00 YOK
DDG63 STETHEM 95 00 SDG
DDG64 CARNEY 96 00 MAY
DDG65 BENFOLD 96 00 SDG
DDG66 GONZALEZ 96 00 NOR
DDG67 COLE 96 00 NOR
DDG68 THE SULLIVANS 97 00 MAY
DDG69 MILIUS 96 00 SDG
DDG70 HOOPER 97 00 PHB
DDG71 ROSS 97 00 NOR
DDG72 MAHAN 98 00 NOR
DDG73 DECATUR 98 00 SDG
DDG74 MCFAUL 98 00 NOR
DDG75 DONALD COOK 98 00 NOR
DD963 SPRUNCE 75 00 MAY
DD964 Paul F. Foster 76 00 EVT
DD965 KINKAID 76 00 SDG
DD966 HEWETT 76 00 YOK
DD967 ELLIOT 77 00 SDG
DD968 ARTHUR W. RADFORD 77 00 NOR
DD969 PETERSON 77 00 NOR
DD970 CARON 77 00 NOR
DD971 DAVID R. RAY 77 00 EVT
DD972 OLDENDORF 78 00 SDG
DD973 JOHN YOUNG 78 00 SDG
DD974 COMTE DE GRASSE 78 00 NOR
DD975 O’BRIEN 77 00 YOK
DD976 MERRILL 78 00 SDG
DD977 BRISCOE 78 00 NOR
DD978 STUMP 78 00 NOR
DD979 CONOLLY 78 00 MAY
DD980 MOOSBRUGGER 78 00 MAY
DD981 JOHN HANCOCK 79 00 MAY
DD982 NICHOLSON 79 00 MAY
DD983 JOHN RODGERS 79 00 MAY
DD984 LEFTWICH 79 00 PHB
DD985 CUSHING 79 00 YOK
DD986 HARRY W. HILL 79 00 SDG
DD987 O’BANNON 79 00 MAY
DD988 THORN 80 00 NOR
DD989 DEYO 80 00 NOR
DD990 INGERSOLL 80 00 PHB
DD991 FIFE 80 00 EVT
DD992 FLETCHER 80 00 PHB
DDG993 KIDD 81 98 XXX
DDG994 CALLAGHAN 81 98 EVT
DDG995 SCOTT 81 98 MAY
DDG996 CHANDLER 81 98 EVT
DD997 HAYLER 83 00 NOR

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Last edited by graebardeII : 01-22-2006 at 09:34 AM.


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Updated to break them into fleets...

Now I'll have to combine/compare to Grae's...
Attached Files USN & USCG 1990s ColdWar rev1.doc (47.0 KB, 27 views)



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When I get home from work, I'll join the yayhooz group, and place the list to the files section there. Unfortunately we're not able to work in the groups while at work. However I do have time to get other factors done. I'll continue the lists with the frigates, then move into the other vessels as I find the information I'm seeking. The archaic 'puter at work does not cooperate on all aspects of my searching unfortunately.

My source btw, to give credit where credit is due to a fine site IMO, is:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/

grae


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Early Commissioning

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Point of clarification on the lists I'm posting. The vessels in itallics are on the way when the war begins. I'm wondering if they couldn't have been commissioned early. War has a way of speeding up production. Most are with in less than 18 months of commissioning.

grae


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US Navy pt3

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Class/HULL NAME Svc Home
Frigate
FF1037 BRONSTEIN 63 90 SDG
FF1038 MCCLOY 63 90 NOR
FF1040 GARCIA 64 89 XX
FF1041 BRADLEY 65 88 XX
FF1043 EDWARD MCDONNELL 65 88 XX
FF1044 BRUMBY 65 89 XX
FF1045 DAVIDSON 65 88 XX
FF1047 VOGUE 66 89 XX
FF1048 SAMPLE 68 88 XX
FF1049 KOELSCH 67 89 XX
FF1050 ALBERT DAVID 68 89 XX
FF1051 O’CALLAHAN 68 88 XX
FF1052 KNOX 69 92 LBE
FF1053 ROARK 69 91 SNF
FF1054 GRAY 70 91 SNF
FF1055 HEPBURN 69 91 SDG
FF1056 CONNOLE 69 92 NPT
FF1057 RATHBURN 70 92 PHB
FF1058 MEYERKORD 69 91 SDG
FF1059 W. S. SIMS 70 91 MAY
FF1060 LANG 70 91 SFN
FF1061 PATTERSON 70 91 PHL
FF1062 WHIPPLE 70 92 PHB
FF1063 REASONER 71 93 SDG
FF1064 LOCKWOOD 70 93 LBE
FF1065 STEIN 72 92 SDG
FF1066 MARVIN SHIELDS 71 92 SDG
FF1067 FRANCIS HAMMOND 70 92 LBE
FF1068 VREELAND 70 92 NOR
FF1069 BAGLEY 72 91 SDG
FF1070 DOWNES 71 92 SDG
FF1071 BADGER 70 91 PHB
FF1072 BLAKELY 70 91 CHA
FF1073 ROBERT E. PERRY 72 92 PHB
FF1074 HAROLD E. HOLT 71 92 PHB
FF1075 TRIPPE 70 92 NPT
FF1076 FANNING 71 93 SDG
FF1077 OUELLET 70 93 PHB
FF1078 JOSEPH HEWES 71 94 CHA
FF1079 BOWEN 71 94 NOR
FF1080 PAUL 71 92 MAY
FF1081 AYLWIN 71 92 NPT
FF1082 ELMER MONTGOMERY 71 93 MAY
FF1083 COOK 71 92 SDG
FF1084 MCCANDLESS 72 94 NOR
FF1085 DONALD B. BEARY 72 94 NOR
FF1086 BREWTON 72 92 PHB
FF1087 KIRK 72 93 LBE
FF1088 BAREY 72 92 SDG
FF1089 JESSE L. BROWN 73 94 CHA
FF1090 AINSWORTH 73 94 NOR
FF1091 MILLER 73 91 NPT
FF1092 THOMAS C. HART 73 93 NOR
FF1093 CAPODANNO 73 93 NPT
FF1094 PHARRIS 74 92 NOR
FF1095 TRUETT 74 94 NOR
FF1096 VALDEZ 74 91 NPT
FF1097 MOINESTER 74 94 NOR
FF1098 GLOVER 65 90 BOS


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Grae,
Any reason you omitted the Ayatollah-class DDGs?

DDG993 Kidd 81 98 XXX
DDG994 Callaghan 81 98 EVT
DDG995 Scott 81 98 MAY
DDG996 Chandler 81 98 EVT

Also have you cross checked your list with other sources alot of those Frigates you list were sold or leased to other countries in the mid 90s before the war?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shrike6
Grae,
Any reason you omitted the Ayatollah-class DDGs?

DDG993 Kidd 81 98 XXX
DDG994 Callaghan 81 98 EVT
DDG995 Scott 81 98 MAY
DDG996 Chandler 81 98 EVT

Also have you cross checked your list with other sources alot of those Frigates you list were sold or leased to other countries in the mid 90s before the war?

I'm still working on the list. I think these DDG's however were over-looked, as I'm working the frigates now, but I will double check the list. Thanks for the heads up.

No, I have NOT cross checked the list as yet. As for sold-leased in the mid-90s, that is the what were working at. Your info is RL based on with the wall coming down in 89-90. In the scenario we're working on (at lease what I THINK we are) is v1, where the wall stayed up. As I asked in the first post of this thread, would the US dispose of these vessels had the wall not come down, and Cold War continued? The reason they were sold-leased was the great beating of 'swords into plowshares' when 'peace broke out' and the 'walls came tumbling down'. Personally I do not think they would have if the US was to maintain their 600 ship fleet. As I said, these vessels were mostly under 30 years old and still serviceable. Granted SOME of the oldest may have been sold-leased, but that is a question we have to discuss.

Grae.

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I'll refrain from asking anymore questions then until you guys have completed your work then.
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Questions are always welcome, but as I said the list is still being compiled. By tomorrow eve, with luck, I shall have completed the frigates list, which comprises the single largest group of vessels. I'm sure you'd be welcome at the projects work site.

Sorry if I seemed short. Looking at what I wrote it seemed that way, but that is not the way I intended. It's a work in progress, and without proof readers, omissions, as already pointed out, will undoubtedly be made.

As there are numerous navies in this project, persons with knowledge of any navies, and their operational doctrine, will greatly help the project. I can count beans, but doctrine is vague not being a blue-water sailor. I was Army.

Grae


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Hey Grae,

good stuff, I know you're still working on the list, but I think I found an error.

Shouldn't CVN70 CARL VINSON should be homeported at Alameda, CA, not Bremerton, WA. IRL, ALM closed because of the post-cold war draw down, and closed in 1997. In T2K, ALM would still be open. (Matt Wiser, check me on this)

By the way, are you concentrating on combat ships only? Or will you list amphibs, fleet support ships, etc?

globalsecurity.org is a good site, have you seen this one? http://www.hazegray.org/


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If there had been no BRAC process (if the Wall hadn't come down), Alameda would certainly be still open. VA-304 (USN reserve with A-6Es and KA-6Ds) was the only squadron based there, but it was a carrier home port. One can see a continuance of the Reagan-era buildup into the 1990s up until the Sino-Soviet War begins. Then one would expect SECDEF and JCS starting to dust
off contingency plans to get ships out of mothballs, ID'ing reservists who would be called up first, etc. In my T2K timeline, I have the A-6F and F-14D
programs still going (axed in 1988 and 1992, respectively), and speed-up of
building Burke-class DDGs and Seawolf-class SSNs, along with the six unbuilt
Ohio-class SSBNs.


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1. Yes I intend to post the rest of the fleet as I get them keyed.
2. Yep, familiar with hazegray.
3. The first assumption we're making is the Cold War continues, there was not a reduction in the fleet, and very few installations were shutdown from 1989 onward. It's as Matt suggests. Only those vessels too old to function well are sold-scrappped.
4. I'm using the homeports shown in globalsecurity, however I know they will be adjusted some, such as you mention with Vinson.

Thanks for the inputs.

Grae


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US Navy pt4

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Class/HULL NAME Svc Home
FFG 1 BROOKE 67 89 XX
FFG 2 RAMSEY 67 89 XX
FFG 3 SCHOFIELD 68 89 XX
FFG 4 TALBOT 67 89 XX
FFG 5 RICHARD L. PAGE 67 89 XX
FFG 6 JULIUS A. FURER 67 89 XX

short Perry
FFG 7 OLIVER HAZARD PERRY 77 97 MAY
FFG 9 WADSWORTH 80 00 SDG
FFG10 DUNCAN 80 94 LBE
FFG11 CLARK 80 00 NOR
FFG12 GEORGE PHILIP 80 00 SDG
FFG13 SAMUEL ELIOT MORISON 80 00 MAY
FFG14 SIDES 81 00 SDG
FFG15 ESTOCIN 81 00 NOR
FFG16 CLIFTON SPRAGUE 81 95 PHL
FFG19 JOHN A. MOORE 81 00 SDG
FFG20 ANTRIM 81 96 MAY
FFG21 FLATLEY 81 96 MAY
FFG22 FAHRION 82 98 MAY
FFG23 LEWIS B. PULLER 82 98 SDG
FFG24 JACK WILLIAMS 81 96 MAY
FFG25 COPELAND 82 96 SDG
FFG26 GALLERY 81 96 MAY
FFG27 MAHLON S. TISDALE 82 96 SDG
FFG30 REID 83 98 SDG
FFG31 STARK 82 99 MAY
FFG34 AUBREY 82 99 MAY

long Perry
FFG 8 MCINERNEY 79 00 MAY
FFG28 BOONE 82 00 MAY
FFG29 STEPHEN W. GROVES 82 00 PAS
FFG32 JOHN L. HALL 82 00 PAS
FFG33 JARRETT 83 00 SDG
FFG36 UNDERWOOD 83 00 MAY
FFG37 CROMMELIN 83 00 PHB
FFG38 CURTS 83 00 SDG
FFG39 DOYLE 83 00 MAY
FFG40 HALYBIRTON 84 00 MAY
FFG41 MCCLUSKY 83 00 SDG
FFG42 KLAKRING 83 00 MAY
FFG43 THACH 84 00 SDG
FFG45 DEWERT 83 00 MAY
FFG46 RENTZ 84 00 SDG
FFG47 NICHOLAS 84 00 NOR
FFG48 VANDEGRIFT 84 00 YOK
FFG49 ROBERT G. BRADLEY 84 00 MAY
FFG50 TAYLOR 84 00 MAY
FFG51 GARY 84 00 YOK
FFG52 CARR 85 00 NOR
FFG53 HAWES 85 00 NOR
FFG54 FORD 85 00 EVT
FFG55 ELROD 85 00 NOR
FFG56 SIMPSON 85 00 MAY
FFG57 REUBEN JAMES 86 00 PHB
FFG58 SAMUEL B. ROBERTS 86 00 NOR
FFG59 KAUFFMAN 87 00 NOR
FFG60 RODNEY M. DAVIS 87 00 EVT
FFG61 INGRAHAM 89 00 EVT


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Uscg

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378ft BUILT: 67-72
WHEC 715 HAMILTON SDG
WHEC 716 DALLAS CHA
WHEC 717 MELLON SEA
WHEC 718 CHASE SDG
WHEC 719 BOUTWELL ALA
WHEC 720 SHERMAN ALA
WHEC 721 GALLATIN CHA
WHEC 722 MORGENTHAU ALA
WHEC 723 RUSH HON
WHEC 724 MUNRO ALA
WHEC 725 JARVIS HON
WHEC 726 MIDGETT SEA
270ft BUILT: 83-88
WMEC 901 BEAR PSM
WMEC 902 TAMPA PSM
WMEC 903 HARRIET LANE PSM
WMEC 904 NORTHLAND PSM
WMEC 905 SPENCER BOS
WMEC 906 SENECA BOS
WMEC 907 ESCANABA BOS
WMEC 908 TAHOMA NBF
WMEC 909 CAMPBELL NBF
WMEC 910 THETIS KEY
WMEC 911 FORWARD PSM
WMEC 912 LEGARE PSM
WMEC 913 MOHAWK KEY
WMEC 615 RELIANCE PNH 210ft 66-69
WMEC 616 DILIGENCE WIL
WMEC 617 VIGILANT PAT
WMEC 618 ACTIVE PAW
WMEC 619 CONFIDENCE PAT
WMEC 620 RESOLUTE SPB
WMEC 621 VALIANT MIA
WMEC 622 COURAGEOUS PCF
WMEC 623 STEADFAST WAR
WMEC 624 DAUNTLESS GAL
WMEC 625 VENTUROUS SPB
WMEC 626 DEPENDABLE PSM
WMEC 627 VIGOROUS CMY
WMEC 628 DURABLE SPB
WMEC 629 DECISIVE PAS
WMEC 630 ALERT WAR
230ft BUILT: 42
WMEC 38 STORIS KOD
213ft BUILT: 44
WMEC 167 ACUSHNET KET
BUILT: 71-96
ATS 1 EDENTON XX
ATS 2 BEAUFORT XX
ATS 3 BRUNSWICK XX


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Amphibs

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LHA 1 TARAWA 76 SDG
LHA 2 SAIPAN 77 NOR
LHA 3 BELLEAU WOOD 78 SDG
LHA 4 NASSAU 79 NOR
LHA 5 PELELIU 80 SDG

LHD 1 WASP 89 NOR
LHD 2 ESSEX 92 SAS
LHD 3 KEARSARGE 93 NOR
LHD 4 BOXER 95 SDG
LHD 5 BATAN 97 NOR
LHD 6 BONHOMME RICHARD 98 SDG

LPH 2 IWO JIMA 61 93 NOR
LPH 3 OKINAWA 62 92 SDG
LPH 7 GUADALCANAL 63 94 NOR
LPH 9 GUAM 65 98 NOR
LPH 10 TRIPOLI 66 95 SDG
LPH 11 NEW ORLEANS 68 97 SDG

LPD 4 AUSTIN 65 NOR
LPD 5 OGDEN 65 SDG
LPD 6 DULUTH 66 SDG
LPD 7 CLEVELAND 67 SDG
LPD 8 DUBUQUE 67 SDG
LPD 9 DENVER 68 SDG
LPD 10 JUNEAU 69 SAS
LPD 12 SHREVEPORT 70 NOR
LPD 13 NASHVILLE 69 NOR
LPD 14 TRENTON 71 NOR
LPD 15 PONCE 71 NOR

LSD 41 WHIDBEY ISLAND 85 LCR
LSD 42 GERMANTOWN 86 SDG
LSD 43 FORT MCHENRY 87 SAS
LSD 44 GUNSTON HALL 89 LCR
LSD 45 COMSTOCK 90 SDG
LSD 46 TORTUGA 90 LCR
LSD 47 RUSHMORE 91 SDG
LSD 48 ASHLAND 92 LCR
LSD 49 HARPERS FERRY 94 SAS
LSD 50 CARTER HALL 95 LCR
LSD 51 OAK HILL 96 LCR
LSD 52 PEARL HARBOR 98 SDG

LCC 19 BLUE RIDGE 70 YOK
LCC 20 MOUNT WHITNEY 71 NOR
AGF 3 LA SALLE 64 GAE
AGF 11 CORONADO 70 SDG

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Minewarfare

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All USN Minewarfare are home ported at NS Ingleside TX, with rotations overseas as directed.

MCS 12 INCHON 70 ING

MCM 1 AVENGER 87 ING
MCM 2 DEFENDER 89 ING
MCM 3 SENTRY 89 ING
MCM 4 CHAMPION 91 ING
MCM 5 GUARDIAN 89 ING
MCM 6 DEVASTATOR 90 ING
MCM 7 PATRIOT 91 SAS*
MCM 8 SCOUT 90 ING
MCM 9 PIONEER 92 ING
MCM 10 WARRIOR 93 ING
MCM 11 GLADIATOR 93 ING
MCM 12 ARDENT 94 ING*
MCM 13 DEXTROUS 94 ING*
MCM 14 CHIEF 94 ING

MHC 51 OPSPREY 93 ING
MHC 52 HERON 94 ING
MHC 53 PELICAN 95 ING
MHC 54 ROBIN 96 ING
MHC 55 ORIOLE 95 ING
MHC 56 KINGFISHER 96 ING
MHC 57 CORMORANT 97 ING
MHC 58 BLACKHAWK 96 ING
MHC 59 FALCON 97 ING
MHC 60 CARDINAL 97 ING*
MHC 61 RAVEN 98 ING*
MHC 62 SHRIKE 99 ING


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt Wiser
If there had been no BRAC process (if the Wall hadn't come down), Alameda would certainly be still open. VA-304 (USN reserve with A-6Es and KA-6Ds) was the only squadron based there, but it was a carrier home port. One can see a continuance of the Reagan-era buildup into the 1990s up until the Sino-Soviet War begins. Then one would expect SECDEF and JCS starting to dust
off contingency plans to get ships out of mothballs, ID'ing reservists who would be called up first, etc. In my T2K timeline, I have the A-6F and F-14D
programs still going (axed in 1988 and 1992, respectively), and speed-up of
building Burke-class DDGs and Seawolf-class SSNs, along with the six unbuilt
Ohio-class SSBNs.

I pretty much agree with your assessment Matt except there still would have been a BRAC process it had started 1988. The army had drawn down two brigades before 1990 had started (2nd Brigade, 9th ID [1988] and 2nd Brigade, 4th ID [1989]). Maybe it wouldn't have been as deep as the one we know but there still would have been some sort of a drawdown. Although I do agree that Alameda probably still would have been there.


Quote:
Originally Posted by globalsecurity
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ility/brac.htm

....As economic pressures mounted, the drive to realign and close military installations intensified. In 1983 the President's Private Sector Survey on Cost Control (the Grace Commission) concluded in its report that economies could be made in base structure and simultaneously recommended the creation of a nonpartisan, independent commission to study base realignment and closure. Although nothing came of this recommendation, the defense budget that had been declining since 1985 and that was predicted to continue to decrease in coming years prompted the Secretary of Defense to take decisive action.

In 1988 the Secretary of Defense recognized the requirement to close excess bases to save money and therefore chartered the Commission on Base Realignment and Closure in 1988 to recommend military bases within the United States for realignment and closure......

....BRAC 1988
16 Major Closures

1. Army Material Tech Lab, MA
2. Cameron Station, VA
3. Chanute AFB, IL
4. Fort Douglas, UT
5. Fort Sheridan, IL
6. George AFB, CA
7. Jefferson Proving Ground, IN
8. Lexington Army Depot, KY
9. Mather AFB, CA
10. Naval Station Brooklyn, NY
11. Naval Station Lake Charles, LA
12. Naval Station, Galveston, TX
13. Norton AFB, CA
14. Pease AFB, NH
15. Philadelphia Naval Hospital, PA
16. Presidio of San Francisco, CA

1988 Commission
11 Realignments

1. Fort Bliss, TX
2. Fort Devens, MA
3. Fort Dix, NJ
4. Fort Holabird, MD
5. Fort Huachuca, AZ
6. Fort McPherson, GA
7. Fort Meade, MD
8. Fort Monmouth, NJ
9. Naval Station Pugent Sound, WA
10. Pueblo Army Depot, CO
11. Umatilla Army Depot, OR

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I think that in regards to the BRAC. If we are using a variant of the V1 chronology something has to address 1989. If it didn't happen and there was a heat up in the Cold War... those decisions could have been reversed. a Generalised timeline of events from 1988 through 1995 should be agreed on to justify a naval construction plan. After the Sino-Soviet War starts in 1995, there is potential for an acceleration of the the shipbuilding program.
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I can pull out the Naval shipbuilding plan from 1987 that lists what ships were to be built when. I think that will isolate 1989 and get us what a continuation of the Cold War would have looked like. I'll try to get to it today...


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US Navy Shipbuilding Plan as of 1988:

1 SSBN a year until 20 in the fleet
1 LA-class sub a year until 66 in the fleet
1 Seawolf class sub in 1989, 2 in 1991 and each year after.
1 carrier in 1990, 1 in 1993
3 Burke-class destroyers in 1989 and 1990, 5 in 1991 and 6 a year until 29 in the fleet
1 Wasp-class LHD in 1988, 1989 and 1991, 1 every other year until 12 in the fleet
1 LSD-CV in 1988, 1990, 1991 and 2 a year until 10 in the fleet
2 MHC (Italian Lerici-class minehunter) in 1989, 3 in 1990 and 1991, 4 a year after until 17 in the fleet
1 AOE in 1989 and 2 in 1991
1 AE-36 in 1991 and 1992, 2 in 1993, 1 in 1994.
1 ARS in 1990
2 T-AOE in 1988, 1989 and 1990, 1 in 1991.
2 T-AGOS in 1988, 1 in 1989, 3 in 1990, 2 in 1991.
12 LCAC a year.

The dates are order date. Commissioning dates are, on average, about 5 years after the order date, although that varies by type of ship and specific circumstances (i.e. shipyard bankruptcy, multiple vessels ordered on same date, etc).

For aircraft, the procurement plan was:
12 A-6E/F in 1988, 18 in 1989 and 24 a year thereafter
12 EA-6B a year
42 AV-8B a year until 328 in the fleet
132 FA-18 in 1988 and 1989, 163 a year thereafter
12 F-14 in 1988, 18 in 1989, 24 in 1990 and 36 in 1991 to 304 in the fleet
14 CH/MH-53E in 1988 and 1989, 12 in 1990 and the possibility of more thereafter
6 SH-60B in 1988, 1989 and 1990, 12 in 1991 and thereafter until 239 in the fleet
18 SH-60F in 1988, 1989 and 1990, 12 in 1991 and thereafter until 175 in the fleet
9 P-3 Orion/year, with P-6 production starting in 1990 and reaching 25 a year
6 E-2C a year
maintain capability to produce at least 6 SH-2G a year
3 E-6A/year
12 T-45 in 1988, 24 in 1989 and 1990, 48 in 1991 and thereafter

I haven't been able to locate the comparable Coast Guard plan.


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Good stuff Chico.
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Submarines

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SSN 585 SKIPJACK 59 90 NOR
SSN 588 SCAMP 61 91 SDG
SSN 590 SCULPIN 61 90 SDG
SSN 591 SHARK 61 90 NOR
SSN 592 SNOOK 61 86 NLD
SSN 594 PERMIT 62 91 SDG
SSN 595 PLUNGER 63 89 XX
SSN 596 BARB 63 89 XX
SSN 603 POLLOCK 64 89 XX
SSN 604 HADDO 64 91 SDG
SSN 605 JACK 67 90 NLD
SSN 606 TINOSA 64 92 NLD
SSN 607 DACE 64 88 XX
SSN 612 GUARDFISH 66 92 SDG
SSN 613 FLASHER 66 92 SDG
SSN 614 GREENLING 67 94 PNH
SSN 615 GATO 68 96 NLD
SSN 621 HADDOCK 67 93 MIC
SSN 597 TULIBEE 60 93 xx
SSN 637 STURGEON 67 94 CHA
SSN 638 WHALE 68 96 GRO
SSN 639 TAUTOG 68 97 PHB
SSN 646 GRAYLING 69 97 CHA
SSN 647 POGY 71 99 SDG
SSN 648 ASPRO 69 95 PHB
SSN 649 SUNFISH 69 97 CHA
SSN 650 PARGO 68 95 BRM
SSN 651 QUEENFISH 66 92 PHB
SSN 652 PUFFER 69 96 PHB
SSN 653 RAY 67 93 CHA
SSN 660 SANDLANCE 71 98 GRO
SSN 661 LAPON 67 92 NOR
SSN 662 GUMARD 68 95 SDG
SSN 663 HAMMERHEAD 68 95 MIC
SSN 664 SEA DEVIL 69 91 CHA
SSN 665 GUITARRO 72 92 SDG
SSN 666 HAWKBILL 71 99 PHB
SSN 667 BERGALL 69 96 MIC
SSN 668 SPADEFISH 69 97 NOR
SSN 669 SEAHORSE 69 95 CHA
SSN 670 FINBACK 70 97 NOR
SSN 672 PINADU 71 98 SDG
SSN 673 FLYINGFISH 70 96 BRM
SSN 674 TREPANG 70 99 GRO
SSN 675 BLUEFISH 71 96 NOR
SSN 676 BILLFISH 71 99 GRO
SSN 677 DRUM 72 95 SDG
SSN 678 ARCHERFISH 71 98 GRO
SSN 679 SILVERSIDES 72 94 BRM
SSN 680 WILLIAM H. BATES 73 00 PHB
SSN 681 BATFISH 72 98 GRO
SSN 682 TUNNY 74 98 PHB
SSN 683 PARCHE 74 00 SDG
SSN 684 CAVALLO 73 98 PHB
SSN 686 L. MENDEL RIVERS 75 00 NOR
SSN 687 RICHARD B. RUSSELL 75 94 MIC
SSN 645 JAMES K. POLK 66 99 NOR
SSN 671 NARWALL 69 99 NOR
SSN 685 GLENARD P. LIPSCOMB 74 89 XX
SSN 688 LOS ANGELES 76 00 PHB
SSN 689 BATON ROUGE 77 95 NOR
SSN 690 PHILADELPHIA 77 00 GRO
SSN 691 MEMPHIS 77 00 GRO
SSN 692 OMAHA 78 95 PHB
SSN 693 CINCINNATI 78 96 NOR
SSN 694 GROTON 78 97 GRO
SSN 695 BIRMINGHAM 78 97 PHB
SSN 696 NEW YORK CITY 79 97 PHB
SSN 697 INDIANAPOLIS 80 98 PHB
SSN 698 BREMERTON 81 00 PHB
SSN 699 JACKSONVILLE 81 00 NOR
SSN 700 DALLAS 81 00 GRO
SSN 701 LA JOLLA 81 00 PHB
SSN 702 PHOENIX 81 98 NOR
SSN 703 BOSTON 82 99 GRO
SSN 704 BALTIMORE 82 98 XX
SSN 705 CITY OF CORPUS CHRISTI 83 00 GUA
SSN 706 ALBUQUERQUE 83 00 GRO
SSN 707 PORTSMOUTH 83 00 SDG
SSN 708 MINNEAPOLIS-ST PAUL 84 00 NOR
SSN 709 HYMAN G. RICKOVER 84 00 NOR
SSN 710 AUGUSTA 85 00 GRO
SSN 711 SAN FRANCISCO 84 00 GUA
SSN 712 ATLANTA 82 00 NOR
SSN 713 HOUSTON 82 00 SDG
SSN 714 NORFOLK 83 00 NOR
SSN 715 BUFFALO 83 00 PHB
SSN 716 SALT LAKE CITY 84 00 SDG
SSN 717 OLYMPIA 84 00 PHB
SSN 718 HONOLULU 85 00 PHB
SSN 719 PROVIDENCE 85 00 GRO
SSN 720 PITTSBURG 85 00 GRO
SSN 721 CHICAGO 86 00 PHB
SSN 722 KEY WEST 87 00 PHB
SSN 723 OKLAHOMA CITY 88 00 NOR
SSN 724 LOUISVILLE 88 00 PHB
SSN 725 HELENA 87 00 SDG
SSN 750 NEWPORT NEWS 89 00 NOR
SSN 751 SAN JUAN 88 00 GUA
SSN 752 PASADENA 89 00 PHB
SSN 753 ALBANY 90 00 NOR
SSN 754 TOPEKA 89 00 PHB
SSN 755 MIAMI 90 00 GRO
SSN 756 SCRANTON 91 00 NOR
SSN 757 ALEXANDRIA 91 00 GRO
SSN 758 ASHEVILLE 91 00 PHB
SSN 759 JEFFERSON CITY 92 00 SDG
SSN 760 ANNAPOLIS 92 00 GRO
SSN 761 SPRINGFIELD 93 00 GRO
SSN 762 COLUMBUS 93 00 PHB
SSN 763 SANTA FE 93 00 PHB
SSN 764 BOISE 92 00 NOR
SSN 765 MONTPELIER 93 00 NOR
SSN 766 CHAROLETTE 94 00 PHB
SSN 767 HAMPTON 93 00 NOR
SSN 768 HARTFORD 94 00 GRO
SSN 769 TOLEDO 95 00 GRO
SSN 770 TUCSON 95 00 PHB
SSN 771 COLUMBIA 95 00 PHB
SSN 772 GREENVILLE 96 00 PHB
SSN 773 CHEYENNE 96 00 PHB
SS 572 SAILFISH 56 ?? BRM
AGSS 555 DOLPHIN 68 ?? SDG
SS 580 BARBEL 59 ?? XX
SS 581 BLUEBACK 59 ?? XX
SSN 21 SEAWOLF 97 00 GRO
SSN 22 CONNECTICUT 97 00 GRO
SSBN 609 SAM HOUSTON 62 91 XX
SSBN 611 JOHN MARSHALL 62 92 XX
SSBN 616 LAFAYETTE 63 91 GRO
SSBN 617 ALEXANDER HAMILTON 63 93 GRO
SSBN 619 ANDREW JACKSON 63 89 XX
SSBN 620 JOHN ADAMS 64 89 XX
SSBN 622 JAMES MONROE 63 90 CHA
SSBN 623 NATHAN HALE 63 86 XX
SSBN 624 WOODROW WILSON 63 94 CHA
SSBN 625 HENRY CLAY 64 90 CHA
SSBN 626 DANIEL WEBSTER 64 90 GRO
SSBN 627 JAMES MADISON 64 92 CHA
SSBN 628 TECUMSEH 64 93 NOR
SSBN 629 DANIEL BOONE 64 94 NOR
SSBN 630 JOHN C. CALHOUN 64 94 CHA
SSBN 631 ULYSSES S. GRANT 64 92 PNH
SSBN 632 VON STUBEN 64 94 CHA
SSBN 633 CASIMIR PULASKI 64 94 CHA
SSBN 634 STONEWALL JACKSON 64 95 CHA
SSBN 635 SAM RAYBURN 64 89 XX
SSBN 636 NATHANIAL GREEN 64 87 XX
SSBN 640 BENJAMIN FRANKLIN 65 93 NOR
SSBN 641 SIMON BOLIVAR 65 95 PSM
SSBN 642 KAMEHAMEHA 65 92 PHB
SSBN 643 GEORGE BANCROFT 66 93 CHA
SSBN 644 LEWIS AND CLARK 65 92 CHA
SSBN 645 JAMES K. POLK 66 99 NOR
SSBN 654 GEORGE C. MARSHALL 66 92 GRO
SSBN 655 HENRY L. STIMSON 66 93 CHA
SSBN 656 GEO. WASHINGTON CARVER 66 93 GRO
SSBN 657 FRANCIS SCOTT KEY 66 93 CHA
SSBN 658 MARIANO G. VALLEJO 65 95 CHA
SSBN 659 WILL ROGERS 67 93 GRO
SSBN 726 OHIO 81 00 BAN
SSBN 727 MICHIGAN 82 00 BAN
SSBN 728 FLORIDA 83 00 BAN
SSBN 729 GEORGIA 84 00 BAN
SSBN 730 HENRY M. JACKSON 84 00 BAN
SSBN 731 ALABAMA 85 00 BAN
SSBN 732 ALASKA 86 00 BAN
SSBN 733 NEVADA 86 00 BAN
SSBN 734 TENNESSEE 88 00 KBG
SSBN 735 PENNSYLVANIA 89 00 BAN
SSBN 736 WEST VIRGINIA 90 00 KBG
SSBN 737 KENTUCKY 91 00 KBG
SSBN 738 MARYLAND 92 00 KBG
SSBN 739 NEBRASKA 93 00 KBG
SSBN 740 RHODE ISLAND 94 00 KBG
SSBN 741 MAINE 95 00 KBG
SSBN 742 WYOMING 96 00 KBG
SSBN 743 LOUISANIA 97 00 KBG


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Nice work.

I did notice one area that I may be able to offer some insight. The Simpson (FFG56), Roberts (FFG58), and Kauffman (FFG59) were all home-ported in Newport until 94. There were some others there but I can't recall exactly which ones. I know the Simpson moved to Norfolk in 94 after returning from Somalia, then to Mayport 18-24 months later. I'm not sure when the Sammy B. and Kauffman left Newport, but I know they were still there in Dec 93.

Approaching this from the perspective that the Cold War did not end, in all likelihood the Navy would have maintained their de-centralized posture and would have maintained ships, more-or-less, at their 1989-90 locations.

Regards,
Jim Wardrip

T2k13 Design Team


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Jim,

Thanks for the heads-up. I realize the homeports in 96 are probably different from those given. I appologize to all for that, but right now I'm trying to at least get all the vessels that were, or may have been had 'peace not broken out', in service. I have wound up using TWO sources now to cross check. FAS being the second source. I've discovered several ommissions on my part, which I will correct to the appropriate list today. I 'think' I have the list done for the most part.

I have well over 600 ships, not counting USCG vessels, sealift, prepositioned, and reserve fleet. I know some of the vessels on the list may come from RRF, but now my concentration is on logistical vessels.

FB


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Corrections

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Ddg 2 Charles F. Adams 60 90 May
Ddg 3 John King 61 90 Nor
Ddg 4 Lawrence 62 90 Nor
Ddg 5 Claude V. Ricketts 62 89 Nor
Ddg 6 Barney 62 90 Nor
Ddg 7 Henry B. Wilson 60 89 Nor
Ddg 8 Lynde Mccormick 61 91 Sdg
Ddg 9 Towers 61 90 Yok
Ddg 10 Sampson 61 91 May
Ddg 11 Sellers 61 89 Cha
Ddg 12 Robinson 61 91 Sdg
Ddg 13 Hoel 62 91 Sdg
Ddg 14 Buchanan 62 91 Sdg
Ddg 15 Berkeley 62 92 Sdg
Ddg 16 Joseph Strauss 63 90 Phb
Ddg 17 Conyngham 63 90 Nor
Ddg 18 Semmes 62 91 Cha
Ddg 19 Tattnall 63 91 May
Ddg 20 Goldsborough 63 93 Phb
Ddg 21 Cochrane 63 90 Yok
Ddg 22 Benjamin Stoddert 64 91 Phb
Ddg 23 Richard E. Byrd 64 90 Nor
Ddg 24 Waddell 64 92 Sdg

Lka 113 Charleston 68 92
Lka 114 Durham 69 94
Lka 115 Mobile 69 94
Lka 116 St Louis 69 92
Lka 117 El Paso 70 92
Lpd 1 Raleigh 62 91 Nor
Lpd 2 Vancouver 63 92 Sdg
Lst 1179 Newport 69 92 Lcr
Lst 1180 Manitowac 70 93 Lcr
Lst 1181 Sumter 70 93 Lcr
Lst 1182 Fresno 69 93 Sdg
Lst 1183 Peoria 70 94 Sdg
Lst 1184 Frederick 70 0 Phb
Lst 1185 Schenectady 70 93 Sdg
Lst 1186 Cayuga 70 94 Sdg
Lst 1187 Tuscaloosa 70 94 Sdg
Lst 1188 Saginaw 71 94 Sdg
Lst 1189 San Bernardino 71 95 Sdg
Lst 1190 Boulder County 71 94 Lcr
Lst 1191 Racine 71 93 Lbe
Lst 1192 Spartansburg County 71 94 Lcr
Lst 1193 Fairfax County 71 94 Lcr
Lst 1194 La Moure County 71 0 Lcr
Lst 1195 Barbour County 72 92 Sdg
Lst 1196 Harlan County 72 95 Lcr
Lst 1197 Barnstable County 72 94 Lcr
Lst 1198 Bristol County 72 94 Sdg

Mso 427 Constant 54 92 Sdg
Mso 433 Engage 54 91 May
Mso 437 Enhance 55 91 Tac
Mso 438 Esteem 55 91 Sea
Mso 439 Excel 55 92 Sfn
Mso 440 Exploit 54 93 Npt
Mso 441 Exultant 54 93 Cha
Mso 442 Fearless 54 90 Cha
Mso 446 Fortify 54 92 Lcr
Mso 448 Illusive 53 90 May
Mso 449 Impervious 54 91 May
Mso 455 Implicit 54 94 Tac
Mso 456 Inflict 54 90 Lcr
Mso 464 Pluck 54 90 Sdg
Mso 488 Conquest 55 94 Sea
Mso 489 Gallant 55 94 Sfn
Mso 490 Leader 55 92 Cha
Mso 492 Pledge 56 94 Sea
Mso 509 Adroit 57 92 Lcr
Mso 511 Affray 58 92 Cha

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As 19 Proteus 43 92 Gua
As 39 Emory S. Land 79 0 Lmi
As 40 Frank Cable 79 0 Gua
As 41 Mckee 87 0 Sdg
As 36 L. Y. Spear 70 96 Nor
As 37 Dixon 71 95 Sdg
As 38 Simon Lake 64 99 Lmi
As 34 Canopus 65 94 Kbg
As 31 Hunley 62 94 Cha
As 32 Holland 62 96 Cha
Afdm 2 No Name 42 95 Xx
Afdm 3 No Name 43 97 Xx
Afdm 5 Resourceful 44 97 Xx
Afdm 6 Competent 44 97 Xx
Afdm 7 Sustain 45 0 Xx
Afdm 8 Richland 44 97 Xx
Afdm 9 No Name Xx 89 Xx
Afdm 10 Resolute 45 45 Nor
Afdm 14 Steadfast 45 99 Xx
Ardm 1 Oak Ridge 44 0 Gro
Ardm 2 Alamogordo 44 93 Xx
Ardm 3 Endurance 44 95 Xx
Ardm 4 Shippingport 79 0 Gro
Ardm 5 Arco 86 0 Sdg
Ad 37 Samuel Gompers 67 95 Xx
Ad 38 Puget Sound 68 96 Xx
Ad 41 Yellowstone 80 96 Nor
Ad 42 Acadia 81 95 Sdg
Ad 43 Cape Cod 82 94 Sdg
Ad 44 Shenandoah 83 96 Nor
Ars 38 Bolster 45 94 Lbe
Ars 39 Conserver 45 94 Phb
Ars 40 Hoist 45 94 Lcr
Ars 41 Opportune 45 93 Lcr
Ars 42 Reclaim 45 94 Phb
Ars 43 Recovery 46 94 Lcr
Ars 50 Safeguard 85 0 Sas
Ars 51 Grasp 85 0 Lcr
Ars 52 Salvor 86 0 Phb
Ars 53 Grapple 86 0 Lcr
T-atf 166 Powhatan 79 99 Lcr
T-atf 167 Narragansett 79 99 Pac
T-atf 168 Catawba 80 0 Atl
T-atf 169 Navajo 80 0 Pac
T-atf 170 Mohawk 80 0 Lcr
T-atf 171 Sioux 81 0 Pac
T-atf 172 Apache 81 0 Lcr
Ats 1 Edenton 71 0 Xx
Ats 2 Beaufort 71 0 Xx
Ats 3 Brunswick 71 0 Xx
Asr 9 Florikan 43 94 Phb
Asr 13 Kittiwake 45 91 Nor
Asr 14 Petrel 45 94 Cha
Asr 15 Sunbird 50 93 Gro
Asr 12 Penguin 45 0 Xx
Asr 21 Pigeon 73 92 Sdg
Asr 22 Ortolan 73 95 Nor
Ar 52 Vulcan 41 91 Nor
Ar 6 Ajax 43 89 Xx
Ar 7 Hector 43 94 Xx
Ar 8 Jason 44 95 Sdg
Ae 21 Suribachi 56 94 Xx
Ae 22 Mauna Kena 57 95 Xx
Ae 23 Nitro 59 94 Xx
Ae 24 Pyro 59 94 Xx
Ae 25 Haleakala 59 93 Xx
T-ae 26 Kilauea 68 0 Gua
T-ae 27 Butte 68 0 Ear
T-ae 28 Santa Barbara 70 0 Xx
T-ae 29 Mount Hood 71 0 Brm
T-ae 32 Flint 71 0 Gua
T-ae 33 Shasta 72 0 Xx
T-ae 34 Mount Baker 72 0 Cha
T-ae 35 Kiska 72 0 Xx
T-afs 1 Mars 63 93 Oak
T-afs 2 Sylvania 64 95 Nor
T-afs 3 Niagara Falls 67 0 Gua
T-afs 4 White Plains 68 95 Gua
T-afs 5 Concord 68 0 Nor
T-afs 6 San Diego 69 93 Nor
T-afs 7 San Jose 70 0 Gua
T-afs 8 Sirius 81 0 Nor
T-afs 9 Spica 81 0 Gua
T-afs 10 Saturn 83 0 Nor
Ao 98 Caloosahatchee 45 90 Nor
Ao 99 Canisteo 45 89 Nor
Ao 177 Cimarron 81 98 Phb
Ao 179 Merrimack 81 98 Nor
T-ao 187 Henry J. Kaiser 86 00 Dig
T-ao 188 Joshua Humphreys 87 96 Atl
T-ao 189 John Lenthall 87 00 Atl
T-ao 190 Andrew J. Higgins 87 96 Pac
T-ao 191 Benjamin Isherwood 91 97 Xx
T-ao 192 Henry Eckford 92 98 Atl
T-ao 193 Walter S. Diehl 88 00 Pac
T-ao 194 Joh Ericsson 91 00 Pac
T-ao 195 Leroy Grumman 89 00 Atl
T-ao 196 Kanawha 91 00 Atl
T-ao 197 Pecos 90 00 Pac
T-ao 198 Big Horn 92 00 Atl
T-ao 199 Tippecanoe 93 00 Pac
T-ao 200 Guadalupe 92 00 Pac
T-ao 201 Patuxent 95 00 Atl
T-ao 202 Yukon 94 00 Pac
T-ao 203 Laramie 96 00 Atl
T-ao 204 Rappahannock 95 00 Pac
Aoe 1 Sacramento 64 00 Brm
Aoe 2 Camden 67 00 Brm
Aoe 3 Seattle 69 00 Ear
Aoe 4 Detroit 70 00 Ear
Aoe 6 Supply 94 00 Ear
Aoe 7 Rainer 95 00 Brm
Aoe 8 Artic 95 00 Nor
Aoe 10 Bridge 98 00 Brm
Aor 1 Wichita 69 93 Oak
Aor 2 Milwaukee 69 94 Nor
Aor 3 Kansas City 70 94 Oak
Aor 4 Savannah 70 95 Nor
Aor 5 Wabash 71 94 Lbe
Aor 6 Kalamazoo 73 96 Nor
Aor 7 Roanoke 76 95 Lbe
T-ao 143 Neosho 52 94 Nor
T-ao 144 Mississinewa 55 94 Nor
T-ao 145 Hassayampa 55 94 Oak
T-ao 146 Kawishiwi 55 94 Sdg
T-ao 147 Truckee 55 94 Nor
T-ao 148 Ponchatoula 56 92 Oak


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Ok, ANY one know why it will not keep capital letters as caps? Sorry for the problem. It does not change the info, just the looks.

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PC 1 CYCLONE 93 00 LCR
PC 2 TEMPEST 93 00 LCR
PC 3 HURRICANE 93 00 LCR
PC 4 MONSOON 94 00 COR
PC 5 TYPHOON 94 00 LCR
PC 6 SIROCCO 94 00 LCR
PC 7 SQUALL 94 00 COR
PC 8 ZEPHYR 94 00 COR
PC 9 CHINOOK 95 00 LCR
PC 10 FIREBOLT 95 00 LCR
PC 11 WHIRLWIND 95 00 LCR
PC 12 THUNDERBOLT 95 00 LCR
PC 13 SHAMAL 96 00 LCR
PHM 1 PEGASUS 77 93 KEY
PHM 2 HERCULES 82 93 KEY
PHM 3 TAURUS 81 93 KEY
PHM 4 AQUILA 82 93 KEY
PHM 5 ARIES 82 93 KEY
PHM 6 GEMINI 82 93 KEY


WPB 1301 Farallon 110ft ISLAND Miami Beach, Fla
WPB 1302 Manitou 110ft ISLAND Miami Beach, Fla
WPB 1303 Matagorda 110ft ISLAND Miami Beach, Fla.
WPB 1304 Maui 110ft ISLAND Miami Beach, Fla.
WPB 1305 Monhegan 110ft ISLAND Key West, Fla.
WPB 1306 Nunivak 110ft ISLAND Puerto Rico
WPB 1307 Ocracoke 110ft ISLAND Alameda, CA
WPB 1308 Vashon 110ft ISLAND Puerto Rico
WPB 1309 Aquidneck 110ft ISLAND Portsmouth, Va.
WPB 1310 Mustang 110ft ISLAND Seward, Alaska
WPB 1311 Naushon 110ft ISLAND Ketchikan, Alaska
WPB 1312 Sanibel 110ft ISLAND Woods Hole, Mass.
WPB 1313 Edisto 110ft ISLAND Cresent, Calif
WPB 1314 Sapelo 110ft ISLAND Key West, Fla.
WPB 1315 Mantinicus 110ft ISLAND Cape May, N.J.
WPB 1316 Nantucket 110ft ISLAND Key West, Fla.
WPB 1317 Attu 110ft ISLAND San Juan, P.R.
WPB 1318 Baranof 110ft ISLAND Miami Beach, Fla.
WPB 1319 Chandeleur 110ft ISLAND Miami Beach, Fla.
WPB 1320 Chincoteague 110ft ISLAND Mobile, Ala.
WPB 1321 Cushing 110ft ISLAND Puerto Rico
WPB 1322 Cuttyhunk 110ft ISLAND Port Angeles, Wash.
WPB 1323 Drummond 110ft ISLAND Port Canaveral, Fla.
WPB 1324 Key Largo 110ft ISLAND Savannah, Ga
WPB 1325 Metompkin 110ft ISLAND Charleston, S.C.
WPB 1326 Monomoy 110ft ISLAND Woods Hole, Mass.
WPB 1327 Orcas 110ft ISLAND Coos Bay, Ore.
WPB 1328 Padre 110ft ISLAND Key West, Fla.
WPB 1329 Sitkinak 110ft ISLAND Key West, Fla.
WPB 1330 Tybee 110ft ISLAND San Diego, CA.
WPB 1331 Washington 110ft ISLAND Honolulu, Hawaii
WPB 1332 Wrangell 110ft ISLAND South Portland, Maine
WPB 1333 Adak 110ft ISLAND Sandy Hook, N.J.
WPB 1334 Liberty 110ft ISLAND Auke Bay, Alaska
WPB 1335 Anacapa 110ft ISLAND Petersburg, Alaska
WPB 1336 Kiska 110ft ISLAND Hilo, Hawaii
WPB 1337 Assateague 110ft ISLAND Honolulu, Hawaii
WPB 1338 Grand Isle 110ft ISLAND Gloucester, Mass
WPB 1339 Key Biscayne 110ft ISLAND St. Petersburg, FL
WPB 1340 Jefferson Island 110ft ISLAND S. Portland, Maine
WPB 1341 Kodiak Island 110ft ISLAND St. Petersburg, FL
WPB 1342 Long Island 110ft ISLAND Monterey, CA.
WPB 1343 Bainbridge Island 110ft ISLAND Sandy Hook, N.J.
WPB 1344 Block Island 110ft ISLAND Atlantic Beach, N.C.
WPB 1345 Staten Island 110ft ISLAND Atlantic Beach, N.C.
WPB 1346 Roanoke Island 110ft ISLAND Homer, Alaska
WPB 1347 Pea Island 110ft ISLAND St. Petersburg, FL
WPB 1348 Knight Island 110ft ISLAND St. Petersburg, FL
WPB 1349 Galveston Island 110ft ISLAND Agana, Guam
WPB 82301 Point Caution 82ft POINT Galveston, TX
WPB 82302 Point Hope 82ft POINT Sabine Pass, TX
WPB 82303 Point Young 82ft POINT Grand Isle, LA
WPB 82304 Point League 82ft POINT Morgan City, LA
WPB 82305 Point Partridge 82ft POINT West Jonesport, ME
WPB 82306 Point Jefferson 82ft POINT Nantucket, MA
WPB 82307 Point Glover 82ft POINT Fort Hancock, NJ
WPB 82308 Point White 82ft POINT New London, CT
WPB 82309 Point Arden 82ft POINT Point Pleasant, NJ
WPB 82310 Point Garnet 82ft POINT Norfolk, VA
WPB 82311 Point Verde 82ft POINT Pensacola, FL
WPB 82312 Point Swift 82ft POINT Clearwater Beach, FL
WPB 82313 Point Slocum 82ft POINT St. Thomas, VI
WPB 82314 Point Thatcher 82ft POINT Nokomis, FL
WPB 82315 Point Clear 82ft POINT San Pedro, CA
WPB 82316 Point Mast 82ft POINT Long Beach, CA
WPB 82317 Point Comfort 82ft POINT Benica, CA
WPB 82318 Point Herron 82ft POINT Babylon, NY
WPB 82319 Point Orient 82ft POINT Fort Pierce, FL
WPB 82320 Point Kennedy 82ft POINT San Juan, PR
WPB 82321 Point Lomas 82ft POINT Port Aransas, TX
WPB 82322 Point Hudson 82ft POINT Panama City, FL
WPB 82323 Point Grace 82ft POINT Crisfield, MD
WPB 82324 Point Grey 82ft POINT Norfolk, VA
WPB 82325 Point Dume 82ft POINT Fire Island, NY
WPB 82326 Point Cypress 82ft POINT Boston, MA
WPB 82327 Point Banks 82ft POINT Woods Hole, MA
WPB 82328 Point Gammon 82ft POINT Alameda, CA
WPB 82329 Point Welcome 82ft POINT Everett, WA
WPB 82330 Point Ellis 82ft POINT Port Townsend, WA
WPB 82331 Point Marone 82ft POINT San Pedro, CA
WPB 82332 Point Roberts 82ft POINT Mayport, FL
WPB 82333 Point Highland 82ft POINT Chincoteague, VA
WPB 82334 Point Ledge 82ft POINT Mobile, AL
WPB 82335 Point Countess 82ft POINT Nokomis, FL
WPB 82336 Point Glass 82ft POINT Mariana De Rey, CA
WPB 82337 Point Divide 82ft POINT Corona del Mar, CA
WPB 82338 Point Bridge 82ft POINT Mariana De Rey, CA
WPB 82339 Point Chico 82ft POINT Bodega Bay, CA
WPB 82340 Point Batan 82ft POINT Cape May, NJ
WPB 82341 Point Lookout 82ft POINT Morgan City, LA
WPB 82342 Point Baker 82ft POINT Sabine, TX
WPB 82343 Point Wells 82ft POINT Montauk, NY
WPB 82344 Point Estereo 82ft POINT Gulfport, Miss.
WPB 82345 Point Judith 82ft POINT Gulfport, Miss.
WPB 82346 Point Arena 82ft POINT Norfolk, VA
WPB 82347 Point Bonita 82ft POINT Little Creek, VA
WPB 82348 Point Barrow 82ft POINT Monterey, CA
WPB 82349 Point Spencer 82ft POINT Galveston, TX
WPB 82350 Point Franklin 82ft POINT Cape May, NJ
WPB 82351 Point Bennett 82ft POINT Port Townsend, WA
WPB 82352 Point Sal 82ft POINT Grand Isle, LA
WPB 82353 Point Monroe 82ft POINT Gulfport, Miss
WPB 82354 Point Evans 82ft POINT Lihue, HI
WPB 82355 Point Hannon 82ft POINT West Jonesport, ME
WPB 82356 Point Francis 82ft POINT New London, Conn.
WPB 82357 Point Huron 82ft POINT Norfolk, VA
WPB 82358 Point Stuart 82ft POINT Newport Beach, CA
WPB 82359 Point Steele 82ft POINT Fort Myers Beach, FL
WPB 82360 Point Winslow 82ft POINT Morgan City, LA
WPB 82361 Point Charles 82ft POINT West Palm Beach, FL
WPB 82362 Point Brown 82ft POINT Oregon Inlet, NC
WPB 82363 Point Nowell 82ft POINT Port Isabel, TX
WPB 82364 Point Whitehorn 82ft POINT St. Thomas, VI
WPB 82365 Point Turner 82ft POINT Newport, RI
WPB 82366 Point Lobos 82ft POINT Pensacola, FL
WPB 82367 Point Knoll 82ft POINT New London, CT
WPB 82368 Point Warde 82ft POINT Wrightsville Beach, NC
WPB 82369 Point Heyer 82ft POINT Morro Bay, CA
WPB 82370 Point Richmond 82ft POINT Anacortes, WA
WPB 82371 Point Barnes 82ft POINT Fort Pierce, FL
WPB 82372 Point Brower 82ft POINT San Francisco, CA
WPB 82373 Point Camden 82ft POINT Santa Barbara, CA
WPB 82374 Point Carrew 82ft POINT Oxnard, CA
WPB 82375 Point Doran 82ft POINT Everett, WA
WPB 82376 Point Harris 82ft POINT Nawiliwili, HI
WPB 82377 Point Hobart 82ft POINT Oceanside, CA
WPB 82378 Point Jackson 82ft POINT Clearwater, FL
WPB 82379 Point Martin 82ft POINT Fort Pierce, FL


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Italian Navy, 1 January 1997

(sorry the formatting got all messed up...)

Carriers commissioned base notes
C552 Giuseppe Mazzini 1997 Hurriedly completed
C551 Giuseppe Garibaldi 1985

Surface Combatants
C550 Vittorio Veneto 1969
C553 Andrea Doria 1964 reserve
C554 Caio Duilo 1964 reserve
D560 Luigi Durand de la Penne 1993 Taranto Ex-Animoso
D561 Francesco Mimbelli 1993 Taranto Ex-Ardimentso
D551 Audace 1973 La Spezia
D550 Ardito 1972 La Spezia
D570 Impavido 1963 reserve
D571 Intrepido 1964 reserve
F576 Espero 1985
F577 Zeffiro 1985
F575 Euro 1984
F571 Grecale 1983
F572 Libeccio 1983
F573 Scirocco 1983
F574 Aliseo 1983
F570 Maestrale 1982
F566 Perseo 1980 Taranto
F567 Orsa 1980
F565 Sagittario 1978 Taranto
F564 Lupo 1977
F541 Umberto Grosso 1966 reserve
F546 Licio Visitini 1966 reserve
F560 Savatore Todaro 1966 reserve
F540 Pietro Di Crisofaro 1965 reserve
F594 Virgilio Fasan 1962 reserve
F595 Carlo Magotti 1962 reserve
F542 Aquila 1956 reserve
F544 Alcione 1955 reserve
F545 Airone 1955 reserve
F551 Minerva 1987 Augusta
F552 Urania 1987 Augusta
F553 Danaide 1988 Augusta
F554 Sfinge 1989 Augusta
F555 Driade 1990 Augusta
F556 Chimera 1990 Augusta
F557 Fenice 1991 Augusta
F558 Sibilla 1991 Augusta
F581 Carabiniere 1968/93 reserve
F580 Alpino 1968/97 La Spezia reserve
F582 Artigliere 1985/96 La Spezia Ex-Iraqi
F583 Aviere 1985/96 La Spezia Ex-Iraqi
F584 Bersagliere 1986/96 La Spezia Ex-Iraqi
F585 Granatiere 1987/96 La Spezia Ex-Iraqi
F559 Albarda 1992 Minerva class, new build
F562 Albatros 1993 Minerva class, new build
F563 Altair 1993 Minerva class, new build
F568 Andromeda 1994 Minerva class, new build

Submarines
S524 Primo Longobardo 1993 Taranto
S525 Gianfranco Gazzana Priaroggia 1995 Taranto
S522 Salvatore Pelosi 1988 Taranto
S523 Giuliano Prini 1989 Taranto
S518 Nazario Sauro 1980 Taranto
S519 Carlo Fecia Di Cossato 1980 Taranto
S520 Leonardo Da Vinci 1982 Taranto
S521 Guglielmo Marconi 1982 Taranto
S505 Enrico Toti 1968 reserve
S506 Attilio Bagnolini 1968 reserve
S513 Enrico Dandolo 1968 reserve
S514 Lazzario Mocenigo 1969 reserve

Amphibious Ships
L9892 San Giorgio 1988 Brindisi
L9893 San Marco 1989 Brindisi
L9894 San Giusto 1994 Brindisi
L9890 Nave Grado 1958 reserve
L9891 Nave Caorle 1957 reserve

Patrol Craft
P401 Cassiopea 1989 Augusta
P402 Libra 1989 Augusta
P403 Spica 1991 Augusta
P404 Vega 1991 Augusta
P405 Orione 1993 new build
P406 Olmo 1994 new build
P407 Pino 1996 new build
P408 Quercia 1996
P5431 Storione 1956/93 Augusta
P5433 Squalo 1956/93 Augusta
P420 Sparviero 1974
P421 Nibbio 1982
P422 Falcone 1982
P423 Astore 1983
P424 Grifone 1983
P425 Cheppio 1983
P426 Condor 1984
P921 (ex-Muusa Ben Nussair) 1986 Ex-Iraqi
P922 (ex-Tariq Ibn Ziyad) 1986 Ex-Iraqi
P920 Saettia 1987
P495 Bambu 1956
P496 Mango 1956
P497 Mogano 1956
P500 Palma 1956

Mine Warfare
M5554 Gaeta 1993 La Spezia
M5555 Termoli 1993 La Spezia
M5556 Alghero 1993 La Spezia
M5557 Numana 1994 La Spezia
M5558 Crotone 1994 La Spezia
M5559 Viareggio 1996 La Spezia
M5560 Chioggia 1997 La Spezia
M5561 Rimini 1998 La Spezia
M5550 Lerici 1985 La Spezia
M5551 Sapri 1985 La Spezia
M5552 Milazzo 1985 La Spezia
M5553 Vieste 1985 La Spezia
M5430 Salome 1956 reserve
M5431 Storione 1956 reserve
M5432 Sgombro 1957 reserve
M5433 Squalo 1957 reserve
M5538 Loto 1957 reserve
M5540 Timo 1957 reserve
M5542 Vischio 1957 reserve

Auxilaries over 1000 tons displacement
A5384 Panarea 1984 ex-Iraqi Stromboli class tanker
A5377 Tirso 1994 water tanker
A5376 Ticino 1994 water tanker
A5375 Simeto 1988 water tanker
A5358 Brenta 1972 water tanker
A5357 Bradano 1971 water tanker
A5356 Basento 1971 water tanker
A5354 Piave 1973 water tanker
A5329 Vesuvio 1978 AOR
A5327 Stromboli 1975 AOR
A5326 Etna 1998 Taranto AOR
A5310 Proteo 1951 salvage/sub tender
A5309 Anteo 1980 salvage/sub tender
A5303 Ammiraglio Magnaghi 1975
A5301 Pietro Cavezzale 1943 SF support vessel

Small Combatant Craft:
Customs Service operates 238 craft from 1.8 to 210 tons displacement, armed with 30 mm or 20mm cannon or machineguns
Coast Guard operates 130 craft of up to 100 tons displacement.


Aviation:

Naval:

1st Grupelicot SH-3D/H Luni
2nd Grupelicot AB-212 Luni
3rd Grupelicot SH-3D/H Catania
4th Grupelicot AB-212 Taranto
5th Grupelicot AB-212 Catania
Gruppo Aerei Imbarcati AV-18B, TAV-8B

Air Force:

41st Stormo 9 Atlantique Catania
30th Stormo 9 Atlantique Cagliari
156th Gruppo 18 Tornado IDS Gioia del Colle maritime strike tasking

Coast Guard:

1st Nucleo Aviazione Guardia Costiera 4 P-166 LaSpezia
1st Sezione di Volo Elicotteri Guardia Costiera 12 AB412, 4 AB-212 LaSpezia
2nd Nucleo Aviazione Guardia Costiera 4 P-166 Catania
3rd Nucleo Aviazione Guardia Costiera 4 P-166 Pescara

Customs Service

1st Gruppo Osservazione 10 P-166 Practica del Mar
2nd Gruppo Esplorazione Marittima 3 ATR-42 MP


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More info from the naval war group. Please let me know if you see any ommissions or errors. (On this and the Italian Navy, there was no end of Cold War drawdown).

French Navy, 1 JAN 97, Twilight War

Carriers commissioned fleet base notes
R91 Charles de Gaulle 1997
R99 Foch 1963
R98 Clemenceau 1961

Surface Combatants
R97 Jeanne D'Arc 1964 ATL Brest
C611 Colbert 1959 MED Toulon flagship
R602 Suffren 1967 MED Toulon
D603 Duquesne 1970 MED Toulon
D610 Tourville 1974 ATL Brest
D612 De Grasse 1977 ATL Brest
D614 Cassard 1988 MED Toulon
D615 Jean Bart 1991 MED Toulon
D640 Georges Leygues 1979 MED Toulon
D641 Dupleix 1981 MED Toulon
D642 Montcalm 1982 MED Toulon
D643 Jean de Vienne 1984 MED Toulon
D644 Primauguet 1986 ATL Brest
D645 La Motte-Picquet 1988 MED Toulon
D646 Latouche-Treville 1990 ATL Brest
D611 Duguay-Trouin 1975 ATL Brest flagship
D609 Aconit 1973 ATL Brest
D625 Dupetit Thouars 1956 reserve
D630 Du Chayla 1957 reserve
D633 Duperre 1957 reserve
D638 La Galissonniere 1962 reserve
F710 Lafayette 1995 MED Toulon
F711 Surcouf 1997 MED Toulon
F712 Courbet 1997 MED Toulon
F730 Floreal 1991 IO La Reunion
F731 Prairial 1992 PAC Papeete
F732 Nivose 1992 PAC Noumea
F733 Ventose 1993 ATL Fort-de-France
F734 Vendermaire 1993 PAC Noumea
F735 Germinal 1994 ATL
F781 D'Estienne D'Orves 1976 3d Divison de Avisos
F782 Amyou D'Inville 1976 2d Divison de Avisos
F783 Drogou 1976 MED Toulon
F784 Detroyet 1977
F785 Jean Moulin 1977
F786 Quartier Maitre Anquetil 1978 MED
F787 Commandant DePimodan 1978
F788 Second-Maitre le Bihan 1979 ATL Brest
F789 Lieutenant de Vaisseau le Henaff 1980 ATL Brest
F790 Lieutenant de Vaisseau Lavallee 1980 MED Toulon
F791 Commandant L'Herminier 1986 ATL Brest
F792 Premier-Maitre L'her 1981 MED Toulon
F793 Commandant Blaison 1982 MED Toulon
F794 Enseigne De Vaisseau Jacoubet 1982 MED Toulon
F795 Commandant Ducuing 1983 MED Toulon
F796 Commandant Birot 1984 MED Toulon
F797 Commandant Bouan 1984 MED Toulon
F726 Commandant Bory 1964 reserve
F727 Amiral Charner 1962 reserve
F728 Doudart De Lagree 1963 reserve
F729 Balny 1970 ATL Brest training
F740 Commandant Bourdais 1963 reserve
F748 Protet 1964 reserve
F749 Enseigne de Vaisseau Henry 1965 reserve


Submarines
S616 Le Triomphant 1997 ATL Brest SSBN
S613 L'Indomptable 1976 ATL Brest SSBN
S615 L'Inflexible 1985 ATL Brest SSBN
S610 Le Foudroyant 1974 ATL Brest SSBN
S611 Le Redoutable 1971 ATL Brest SSBN
S612 Le Terrible 1973 ATL Brest SSBN
S614 Le Tonnant 1980 ATL Brest SSBN
S601 Rubis 1983 MED Toulon SSN
S602 Saphir 1984 MED Toulon SSN
S603 Casabianca 1987 MED Toulon SSN
S604 Emeraude 1988 MED Toulon SSN
S605 Amethyste 1992 ATL Lorient SSN
S606 Perle 1993 ATL Lorient SSN
S607 Turqoise 1995 ATL Lorient SSN
S608 Diamant 1996 ATL Lorient SSN
S620 Agosta 1977 ATL Lorient SS
S621 Beveziers 1977 ATL Lorient SS
S622 La Praya 1978 ATL Lorient SS
S623 Ouessant 1978 ATL Lorient SS
S643 Doris 1964 reserve SS
S648 Junom 1966 reserve SS
S649 Venus 1966 MED Toulon SS
S650 Psyche 1969 MED Toulon SS
S651 Sirene 1970 MED Toulon SS


Amphibious Ships
L9011 Foudre 1990 MED Toulon
L9012 Siroco 1998 ATL Brest
L9021 Ouragan 1965 ATL Brest
L9022 Orage 1968 MED Toulon
L9030 Champlain 1974 ATL Fort-de-France
L9031 Francis Garnier 1974 ATL Fort-de-France
L9032 Dumont D'Urville 1983 PAC Papeete
L9033 Jacques Cartier 1983 PAC Noumea
L9034 La Grandiere 1987 IO La Reunion
L9077 Bougainville 1988 PAC Papeete
L9090 Gapeau 1987 MED Toulon
L9051 -- 1987 PAC Papeete
L9052 -- 1987 IO Djibouti
L9061 -- 1988 MED Toulon
L9062 -- 1989 MED Toulon
L9070 -- 1967 MED Toulon
L9072 -- 1968 PAC Papeete
L9074 -- 1970 PAC Papeete
L9096 -- 1958 MED Toulon

Patrol Craft
P676 Flamant 1996 ATL Cherbourg
P677 Cormoran 1996 ATL Brest
P678 Fluvier 1997 ATL Cherbourg
P679 Grebe 1990 ATL Brest
P680 Sterne 1980 ATL Brest
P681 Albatros 1967/83 IO La Reunion
P682 L'audacieuse 1986 ATL Cherbourg
P683 La Boudeuse 1986 IO La Reunion
P684 La Capricieuse 1986 ATL Cayenne
P685 La Fougueuse 1987 ATL Fort-de-France
P686 La Glorieuse 1987 PAC Noumea
P687 La Gracieuse 1987 ATL Cayenne
P688 La Moqueuse 1987 PAC Noumea
P689 La Railleuse 1987 PAC Papeete
P690 La Rieuse 1987 IO La Reunion
P691 La Tapageuse 1988 PAC Papeete
P740 Fulmar 1983/96
P748 Leopard 1982 ATL Lorient training ship used for patrol
P749 Panthere 1982 ATL Lorient training ship used for patrol
P750 Jaguar 1982 ATL Lorient training ship used for patrol
P751 Lynx 1982 ATL Lorient training ship used for patrol
P752 Guepard 1983 ATL Cherbourg training ship used for patrol
P753 Chaeal 1983 ATL Cherbourg training ship used for patrol
P754 Tigre 1983 ATL Cherbourg training ship used for patrol
P755 Lion 1983 ATL Cherbourg training ship used for patrol

Mine Warfare
M641 Eridan 1984 ATL Brest
M642 Cassiopee 1984 ATL Brest
M643 Andromede 1984 ATL Brest
M644 Pegase 1985 ATL Brest
M645 Orion 1986 ATL Brest
M646 Croix Du Sud 1986 ATL Brest
M647 Aigle 1987 MED Toulon
M648 Lyre 1987 MED Toulon
M649 Persee 1988 MED Toulon
M650 Sagittaire 1996 ATL Brest
M770 Antares 1994 ATL Brest port service
M771 Altair 1995 ATL Brest port service
M772 Aldebaran 1995 ATL Brest port service
M773 Canopus 1996 ATL Cherbourg port service
M774 Vega 1996 ATL Cherbourg port service
M775 Algol 1996 ATL Cherbourg port service
M776 Aires 1997 MED Toulon port service
M777 Rigel 1995 MED Toulon port service
M778 Betelgeuse 1996 MED Toulon port service
M779 Cephee 1997 MED Toulon port service
M611 Vulcain 1986 ATL Cherbourg tender
M612 Pluton 1986 MED Toulon tender
M613 Acheron 1987 MED Toulon tender
M614 Styx 1987 ATL Brest tender
M712 Cybele 1972 reserve
M713 Calliope 1972 reserve
M714 Clio 1972 reserve
M715 Circe 1972 reserve
M716 Ceres 1973 reserve
M660 Narvik 1994 ATL Cherbourg
M661 Autun 1995 ATL Cherbourg
M662 Bir Hakeim 1995 ATL Cherbourg
M663 Colmar 1996 ATL Cherbourg
M664 Garigliano 1996 ATL Cherbourg
M665 Berlaimont 1997 MED Toulon
M666 Cantho 1995 MED Toulon
M667 Origny 1996 MED Toulon
M668 Vihn Long 1996 MED Toulon
M669 Berneval 1997 MED Toulon

Auxilaries over 1000 tons displacement
A601 Monge 1992 ATL Brest missile tracking
A603 Henri Poncare 1968 ATL Brest missile tracking
A607 Meuse 1980 MED Toulon AOR
A608 Var 1983 IO La Reunion AOR
A610 Ile D'Orleron 1945 MED Toulon test ship
A615 Loire 1967 ATL Brest minesweeper support
A617 Garonne 1965 IO La Reunion repair
A618 Rance 1966 MED Toulon Flagship for FAR, hospital ship
A620 Jules Verne 1976 IO La Reunion fleet tender
A621 Rhin 1964 ATL Fort-de-France electronics repair
A622 Rhone 1964 ATL Brest sub support ship
A625 Papenoo 1971 PAC Muraroa T-AOG
A629 Durance 1979 ATL Brest AOR
A630 Marne 1987 MED Toulon AOR
A631 Somme 1990 MED Toulon AOR
A632 Punaruu 1971 PAC Muraroa T-AOG
A634 Rari 1985 PAC Muraroa supply tug
A635 Revi 1985 PAC Muraroa supply tug
A644 Berry 1958/1974 MED Toulon AGI
A664 Malabar 1976 ATL Brest ocean tug
A669 Tenace 1973 ATL Brest ocean tug
A674 Centaure 1974 ATL Brest ocean tug
A733 Commandant Riviere 1962 ATL Brest ex-Frigate, sonar trials ship
A756 L'Esperance 1962/69 ATL Brest survey
A757 D'Entrecasteaux 1970 ATL Brest survey
A785 Thetis 1988 ATL Brest mine warfare test ship
A791 La Perouse 1988 ATL Brest survey
A792 Borda 1988 ATL Brest survey
A793 Laplace 1989 PAC Noumea survey
A795 Arago 1991 PAC Papeete survey
Abeille Bretagne 1979/1990 PAC Muraroa salvage tug
Abeille Flandre 1978/?? ATL Brest Ex-N.Suecia, powerful salvage tug
Abeille Languedoc 1979/?? ATL Cherbourg Ex-N.Gothia, powerful salvage tug
Abeille Supporter 1975/?? ATL Lorient sub support tug
Ailette 1982/88 ATL Brest Ex-Cyrus, buoy tender
Albacore 1983 MED Toulon Ex-Beryl Fish, mooring tender
Alcyon 1981/88 ATL Brest Ex-Bahram, buoy tender
Carangue 1980/95 MED Toulon salvage tug
Girelle 1983/1987 MED Toulon salvage tug
Langevin 1980/90 MED Toulon sub research
Mascarin 1986 T-AO
Merou 1982/87 MED Toulon salvage tug
Penhors 1986 T-AO
Port Vendres 1973 MED Toulon T-AO


Small Combatant Craft:
Customs Service operates 77 craft up to 105 tons displacement, armed with machineguns
Gendarme operate 52 craft from 7 to 180 tons displacement.
Maritime Police operate 37 craft of up to 75 tons displacement.


Aviation:
Naval:
4F 8 Alize Lorient total of 25 in inventory
6F 8 Alize Nimes-Garons
11F 12 Super Etendard Landivisiau total of 56 in inventory
12F 12 F-8E Crusader/Rafale M Landivisiau 18 modernized, 8 more in store
14F 12 Super Etendard Landivisiau
16F 8 Entendard IV-P Landivisiau total of 11 in inventory
17F 12 Super Etendard Hyeres
21F 8 Atlantique NG Nimes-Garons total of 34 in inventory plus 5 delivered a year
22F 8 Atlantique NG Nimes-Garons
23F 8 Atlantique NG Lorient
24F 8 Atlantique NG Lorient
28F N262, EMB121 Nimes-Garons
25F 3, 6 Gardian, Alouette III Fort-de-France
26F 8 Falcon 50, EMB121AN Lorient
31F 14 Lynx St Mandrier total of 38 in inventory
32F 6 Super Frelon Lanveoc-Poulmic total of 18 in inventory
33F 6 Super Frelon St Mandrier
34F 14 Lynx Lanveoc-Poulmic
35F 12 Dauphin 2/Panther Lanveoc-Poulmic 7 Dauphin, 20 Panther in inventory
26F Panther Hyeres
2S Navajo, Nord 262 Lann Bihoue
3S Navajo, Falcon, Nord 262 Hyeres
9S 2 Gardian New Caldonia MR
10S Alize, Navajo, Xingu
11S LeBourget Nord 262, Xingu
12S 3, 6 Gardian, Alouette III Papeete MR
20S Alouette II and III, Super Frelon St Raphael trials support
22S Alouette II and III Lanveoc-Poulmic SAR
23S Alouette II and III St Mandrier SAR
50S MS880 Lanveoc-Poulmic
51S CAP 10 trainers Rochefort initial pilot tng
52S Xingu Lann Bihoue flying school
55S Nord 262 Aspretto twin engine tng
56S Nord 262 Nimes-Garons flying school
57S Falcon 10MER Landivisiau support/MR
59S Super Etendard, Entendard IV, Fouga Magister Hyeres fighter school, Magisters transferred to light strike role?


Air Force:
EDCA36 4 E-3F Avord AEW
ET64 5 C-160H Evreux TACAMO


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Unified German Navy, 1 Sep 1996 (Twilight War)

United German Navy, 1 SEP 96, Twilight War


Major Surface Combatants
D181 Hamburg 1964 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Zerstörergeschwader (2nd Destroyer Squadron)
D182 Schleswig-Holstein I 1964 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Zerstörergeschwader (2nd Destroyer Squadron)
D183 Bayern I 1965 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Zerstörergeschwader (2nd Destroyer Squadron)
D184 Hessen 1968 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Zerstörergeschwader (2nd Destroyer Squadron)
D185 Lutjens 1969 FRG Kiel 1. Zerstörergeschwader (1st Destroyer Squadron)
D186 Molders 1969 FRG Kiel 1. Zerstörergeschwader (1st Destroyer Squadron)
D187 Rommel 1970 FRG Kiel 1. Zerstörergeschwader (1st Destroyer Squadron)
F215 Brandenburg 1994 FRG Wilhelmshaven 6. Fregattengeschwader (6th Frigate Squadron)
F216 Schleswig-Holstein II 1995 FRG Wilhelmshaven 6. Fregattengeschwader (6th Frigate Squadron)
F217 Bayern II 1996 FRG Wilhelmshaven 6. Fregattengeschwader (6th Frigate Squadron)
F218 Mecklenburg-Vorpommern 1996 FRG Wilhelmshaven 6. Fregattengeschwader (6th Frigate Squadron)
F207 Bremen 1982 FRG Wilhelmshaven 4. Fregattengeschwader (4th Frigate Squadron)
F208 Niedersachsen 1982 FRG Wilhelmshaven 4. Fregattengeschwader (4th Frigate Squadron)
F209 Rheinland-Pfalz 1983 FRG Wilhelmshaven 4. Fregattengeschwader (4th Frigate Squadron)
F210 Emden 1983 FRG Wilhelmshaven 4. Fregattengeschwader (4th Frigate Squadron)
F211 Koln 1984 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Fregattengeschwader (2nd Frigate Squadron)
F212 Karlsruhe 1984 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Fregattengeschwader (2nd Frigate Squadron)
F213 Augsburg 1989 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Fregattengeschwader (2nd Frigate Squadron)
F214 Lubeck 1990 FRG Wilhelmshaven 2. Fregattengeschwader (2nd Frigate Squadron)
141 Rostock Koni-class 1978 DDR Rostock 4. Coastal protection ship brigade, 4.KSSBr
142 Berlin Koni-class 1979 DDR Rostock 4. Coastal protection ship brigade, 4.KSSBr
143 Halle Koni-class 1986 DDR Rostock 4. Coastal protection ship brigade, 4.KSSBr
121 Ernst Thaelmann Riga-class 1956 DDR Rostock 4. Coastal protection ship brigade, 4.KSSBr
122 Karl Marx Riga-class 1957 DDR Rostock 4. Coastal protection ship brigade, 4.KSSBr
123 Karl Liebknecht Riga-class 1958 DDR Rostock 4. Coastal protection ship brigade, 4.KSSBr
124 Friedrich Engels Riga-class 1959 DDR Rostock 4. Coastal protection ship brigade, 4.KSSBr
571 Albin Köbis Tarantul I-class 1984 DDR Dranske 7. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Fritz Globig, 7.LTSB
572 Rudolf Egelhofer Tarantul I-class 1984 DDR Dranske 7. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Fritz Globig, 7.LTSB
573 Fritz Globig Tarantul I-class 1985 DDR Dranske 7. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Fritz Globig, 7.LTSB
574 Hans Beimler Tarantul I-class 1985 DDR Dranske 7. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Fritz Globig, 7.LTSB
575 Paul Eisenschneider Tarantul I-class 1986 DDR Dranske 7. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Fritz Globig, 7.LTSB


Submarines
S180 U1 1967 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron
S181 U2 1966 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron
S188 U9 1967 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron
S189 U10 1968 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron
S190 U11 1968/88 FRG Kiel target training
S191 U12 1969/92 FRG Kiel target training
S192 U13 1973 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron
S193 U14 1973 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron
S194 U15 1974 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron
S195 U16 1973 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron
S196 U17 1973 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron
S197 U18 1973 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron
S198 U19 1973 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron
S199 U20 1974 FRG Kiel 1st Squadron
S170 U21 1974 FRG
S171 U22 1974 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron
S172 U23 1975 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron
S173 U24 1974 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron
S174 U25 1974 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron
S175 U26 1975 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron
S176 U27 1974 FRG
S177 U28 1974 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron
S178 U29 1974 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron
S179 U30 1975 FRG Eckernforde 3rd Squadron


Patrol Craft over 100 tons
P6111 Albatros (S61) 1976 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6112 Falke (S62) 1976 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6113 Geier (S63) 1976 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6114 Bussard (S64) 1976 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6115 Sperber (S65) 1976 FRG Warnemeunde 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6116 Greif (S66) 1976 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6117 Kondor (S67) 1976 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6118 Seeadler (S68) 1977 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6119 Habicht (S69) 1977 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6120 Kormoran (S70) 1977 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6121 Gepard (S71) 1982 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6122 Puma (S72) 1983 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6123 Hermelin (S73) 1983 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6124 Nerz (S74) 1983 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6125 Zobel (S75) 1983 FRG Warnemuende 7.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6126 Frettchen (S76) 1983 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6127 Dachs (S77) 1984 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6128 Ozelot (S78) 1984 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6129 Wiesel (S79) 1984 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6130 Hyane (S80) 1984 FRG Warnemuende 2.*Schnellbootgeschwader (Fast attack craft squadron)
P6141 Tiger (S41) 1972 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron)
P6142 Iltis (S42) 1973 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron)
P6143 Luchs (S43) 1973 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron)
P6144 Marder (S44) 1973 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron)
P6145 Leopard (S45) 1973 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron)
P6146 Fuchs (S46) 1973 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron)
P6147 Jaguar (S47) 1974 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron)
P6148 Lowe (S48) 1974 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron)
P6149 Wolf (S49) 1974 FRG Flensburg 3.*Schnellbootgeschwader (3rd Fast attack craft squadron)
P6150 Panther (S50) 1974 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron)
P6151 Häher (S51) 1974 FRG
P6152 Storch (S52) 1974 FRG
P6153 Pelikan (S53) 1974 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron)
P6154 Elster (S54) 1974 FRG
P6155 Alk (S55) 1975 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron)
P6156 Dommel (S56) 1975 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron)
P6157 Weihe (S57) 1975 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron)
P6158 Pinguin (S58) 1975 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron)
P6159 Reiher (S59) 1975 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Schnellbootgeschwader (5th Fast attack craft squadron)
P6160 Kranich (S60) 1975 FRG
211 Gadebusch Parchim-class corvette 1985 DDR Peenemunde 1. Submarine defense ship battalion, 1.UAWSA
212 Grevesmühlen Parchim-class corvette 1985 DDR Peenemunde 1. Submarine defense ship battalion, 1.UAWSA
213 Bergen Parchim-class corvette 1985 DDR Peenemunde 1. Submarine defense ship battalion, 1.UAWSA
214 Angermünde Parchim-class corvette 1984 DDR Peenemunde 1. Submarine defense ship battalion, 1.UAWSA
221 Perleberg Parchim-class corvette 1981 DDR Rostock 2. Submarine defense ship battalion, 2.UAWSA
222 Wismar Parchim-class corvette 1982 DDR Rostock 2. Submarine defense ship battalion, 2.UAWSA
223 Ludwigslust Parchim-class corvette 1982 DDR Rostock 2. Submarine defense ship battalion, 2.UAWSA
224 Waren Parchim-class corvette 1982 DDR Rostock 2. Submarine defense ship battalion, 2.UAWSA
231 Prenzlau Parchim-class corvette 1984 DDR Peenemunde 3. Submarine defense ship battalion, 3.UAWSA
231 Teterow Parchim-class corvette 1984 DDR Peenemunde 3. Submarine defense ship battalion, 3.UAWSA
233 Ribnitz-Damgarten Parchim-class corvette 1982 DDR Peenemunde 3. Submarine defense ship battalion, 3.UAWSA
234 Güstrow Parchim-class corvette 1982 DDR Peenemunde 3. Submarine defense ship battalion, 3.UAWSA
241 Lübz Parchim-class corvette 1981 DDR Rostock 4. Submarine defense ship battalion, 4.UAWSA
242 Parchim Parchim-class corvette 1981 DDR Rostock 4. Submarine defense ship battalion, 4.UAWSA
243 Bützow Parchim-class corvette 1981 DDR Rostock 4. Submarine defense ship battalion, 4.UAWSA
244 Bad Doberan Parchim-class corvette 1981 DDR Rostock 4. Submarine defense ship battalion, 4.UAWSA
711 Heinrich Dorrenbach OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB
713 Richard Sorge OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB
712 Walter Krämer OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB
714 Fritz Gast OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB
734 Albert Gast OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 3. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 3.RTSB
732 August Lüttgens OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 3. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 3.RTSB
753 Josef Schares OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB
733 Karl Meseberg OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 3. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 3.RTSB
751 Max Reichpietsch OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB
731 Otto Tost OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 3. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 3.RTSB
752 Paul Schulz OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB
754 Paul Wieczorek OSA-1 class 1966 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB
811 Edgar Andre Shershen class 1969 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB
812 Hans Coppi Shershen class 1968 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB
813 Arvid Harnack Shershen class 1971 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB
814 Adam Kuckhoff Shershen class 1969 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB
815 Wilhelm Florin Shershen class 1969 DDR Dranske 1. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 1.RTSB
816 Artur Becker Shershen class 1968 DDR reserve
831 Willi Bänsch Shershen class 1968 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB
832 Bruno Kühn Shershen class 1971 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB
833 Ernst Grube Shershen class 1970 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB
834 Fritz Heckert Shershen class 1969 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB
835 Ernst Schneller Shershen class 1970 DDR Dranske 5. Rocket torpedo speedboat brigade, 5.RTSB
836 Bernhard Bästlein Shershen class 1968 DDR reserve
851 Fritz Behn Shershen class 1970 DDR reserve
852 Rudolf Breitscheid Shershen class 1970 DDR reserve
853 Anton Saefkow Shershen class 1970 DDR reserve
854 Fiete Schulze Shershen class 1970 DDR reserve
855 Heinz Kapelle Shershen class 1971 DDR reserve
856 Walter Husemann Shershen class 1969 DDR reserve
591 Sassnitz BALCOM-10 1986 DDR Dranske 9. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Karl Baier, 9.LTSB
592 Ostseebad Sellin BALCOM-10 1989 DDR Dranske 9. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Karl Baier, 9.LTSB
593 Ostseebad Binz BALCOM-10 1990 DDR Dranske 9. Light torpedo speedboat brigade Karl Baier, 9.LTSB
(additional BALCOM-10s built)


Amphibious Craft
611 Hoyerswerda 1976 DDR Peenemuende 1. Landing ship battalion, 1.LSA
612 Schwerin 1977 DDR Peenemuende 1. Landing ship battalion, 1.LSA
613 Frankfurt/Oder 1977 DDR Peenemuende 1. Landing ship battalion, 1.LSA
614 Cottbus 1978 DDR Peenemuende 1. Landing ship battalion, 1.LSA
615 Eisenhüttenstadt 1979 DDR Peenemuende 1. Landing ship battalion, 1.LSA
616 Grimmen 1979 DDR Peenemuende 1. Landing ship battalion, 1.LSA
631 Luebben 1978 DDR Peenemuende 3. Landing ship battalion, 3.LSA
632 Hagenow 1976 DDR Peenemuende 3. Landing ship battalion, 3.LSA
633 Neubrandenburg 1977 DDR Peenemuende 3. Landing ship battalion, 3.LSA
634 Eberswalde Finow 1977 DDR Peenemuende 3. Landing ship battalion, 3.LSA
635 Anklam 1978 DDR Peenemuende 3. Landing ship battalion, 3.LSA
636 Schwedt 1979 DDR Peenemuende 3. Landing ship battalion, 3.LSA


Mine Warfare Vessels
M1052 Hansa Krebs class FRG reserve
M1051 Castor Krebs class FRG reserve
M1054 Pollux Krebs class FRG reserve
M1086 Sirius Krebs class FRG reserve
M1087 Orion Krebs class FRG reserve
M1088 Regulus Krebs class FRG reserve
M1058 Mars Krebs class FRG reserve
M1059 Spica Krebs class FRG reserve
M1060 Weiden Frankenthal class 1993 FRG Olpenitz 1. Minensuchgeschwader (1st mine sweeper squadron)
M1061 Rottweil Frankenthal class 1993 FRG Olpenitz 1. Minensuchgeschwader (1st mine sweeper squadron)
M1062 Sulzbach-Rosenberg Frankenthal class 1996 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron)
M1063 Bad Bevensen Frankenthal class 1993 FRG Olpenitz 1. Minensuchgeschwader (1st mine sweeper squadron)
M1064 Gromitz Frankenthal class 1994 FRG Olpenitz 1. Minensuchgeschwader (1st mine sweeper squadron)
M1065 Dillingen Frankenthal class 1995 FRG Olpenitz 1. Minensuchgeschwader (1st mine sweeper squadron)
M1066 Frankenthal Frankenthal class 1992 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron)
M1067 Bad Rappenau Frankenthal class 1994 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron)
M1068 Datteln Frankenthal class 1994 FRG Olpenitz
M1069 Homburg Frankenthal class 1995 FRG Olpenitz
M1070 Fulda Frankenthal class 1998 FRG Olpenitz
M1071 Weilheim Frankenthal class 1998 FRG Olpenitz
M1090 Pegnitz Hameln class 1990 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Minensuchgeschwader (5. mine sweeper squadron)
M1091 Kulmbach Hameln class 1990 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron)
M1092 Hameln Hameln class 1989 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Minensuchgeschwader (5. mine sweeper squadron)
M1093 Auerbach Hameln class 1991 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Minensuchgeschwader (5. mine sweeper squadron)
M1094 Ensdorf Hameln class 1990 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Minensuchgeschwader (5. mine sweeper squadron)
M1095 Uberherrn Hameln class 1989 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron)
M1096 Passau Hameln class 1990 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron)
M1097 Laboe Hameln class 1989 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron)
M1098 Sieburg Hameln class 1990 FRG Olpenitz 5.*Minensuchgeschwader (5. mine sweeper squadron)
M1099 Hertne Hameln class 1991 FRG Olpenitz 3. Minensuchgeschwader (3. mine sweeper squadron)
M2650 Ariadne Ariadne class 1960 FRG
M2651 Freya Ariadne class 1960 FRG
M2652 Vineta Ariadne class 1960 FRG
M2653 Hertha Ariadne class 1961 FRG
M2654 Nymphe Ariadne class 1960 FRG
M2655 Nixe Ariadne class 1962 FRG
M2656 Amazone Ariadne class 1963 FRG
M2657 Gazelle Ariadne class 1963 FRG
M2658 Frauenlob Frauenlob class 1966 FRG Neustadt
M2659 Nautilus Frauenlob class 1966 FRG
M2660 Gefion Frauenlob class 1967 FRG Neustadt
M2661 Medusa Frauenlob class 1967 FRG Neustadt
M2662 Undine Frauenlob class 1967 FRG Neustadt
M2663 Minerva Frauenlob class 1967 FRG
M2664 Diana Frauenlob class 1967 FRG
M2665 Loreley Frauenlob class 1968 FRG Neustadt
M2666 Atlantis Frauenlob class 1968 FRG
M2667 Acheron Frauenlob class 1968 FRG
311 Sömmerda Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 1. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 1.MSRA
312 Eisleben Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 1. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 1.MSRA
313 Tangerhütte Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 1. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 1.MSRA
314 Stralsund Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 1. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 1.MSRA
314 Zeitz Kondor class DDR reserve
315 Wittstock Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 1. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 1.MSRA
316 Zerbst Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 1. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 1.MSRA
321 Kyritz Kondor class DDR Rostock 2. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 2.MSRA
322 Riesa Kondor class DDR Rostock 2. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 2.MSRA
323 Wilhelm-Pieck-Stadt-Guben Kondor class DDR Rostock 2. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 2.MSRA
324 Röbel Kondor class DDR Rostock 2. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 2.MSRA
325 Pritzwalk Kondor class DDR Rostock 2. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 2.MSRA
326 Rathenow Kondor class DDR Rostock 2. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 2.MSRA
331 Dessau Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 3. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 3.MSRA
332 Bitterfeld Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 3. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 3.MSRA
333 Gransee Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 3. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 3.MSRA
334 Schönebeck Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 3. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 3.MSRA
335 Altenburg Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 3. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 3.MSRA
336 Grimma Kondor class DDR Peenemuende 3. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 3.MSRA
341 Oranienburg Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 4.MSRA
342 Jüterbog Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 4.MSRA
343 Bernau Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 4.MSRA
344 Eilenburg Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 4.MSRA
345 Neuruppin Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 4.MSRA
346 Strasburg Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Mine search and sweeping battalion, 4.MSRA
353 Hettstedt Kondor class DDR reserve
G412 Neustrelitz Kondor class DDR Sassnitz 1. Border Ship Battalion, 1.GSA
G413 Prerow Kondor class DDR Sassnitz 1. Border Ship Battalion, 1.GSA
G416 Klütz Kondor class DDR Sassnitz 1. Border Ship Battalion, 1.GSA
G421 Vitte Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 2. Border Ship Battalion, 2.GSA
G423 Pasewalk Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 2. Border Ship Battalion, 2.GSA
G424 Graal-Müritz Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 2. Border Ship Battalion, 2.GSA
G425 Kirchdorf Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 2. Border Ship Battalion, 2.GSA
G426 Rerik Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 2. Border Ship Battalion, 2.GSA
G444 Zingst (89) Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 4. Border Ship Battalion, 4.GSA
G445 Kühlungsborn Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 4. Border Ship Battalion, 4.GSA
G446 Bansin Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 4. Border Ship Battalion, 4.GSA
GS411 Malchin Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 4. Border Ship Battalion, 4.GSA
GS411 Ueckermünde Kondor class DDR Sassnitz 1. Border Ship Battalion, 1.GSA
GS414 Altentreptow Kondor class DDR Sassnitz 1. Border Ship Battalion, 1.GSA
GS415 Ahrenshoop Kondor class DDR Sassnitz 1. Border Ship Battalion, 1.GSA
GS422 Demmin Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 2. Border Ship Battalion, 2.GSA
GS442 Templin Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 4. Border Ship Battalion, 4.GSA
GS443 Boltenhagen Kondor class DDR Warnemunde 4. Border Ship Battalion, 4.GSA
V811 Wolgast Kondor class DDR Wolgast 18. Test Ship battalion
V812 Genthin Kondor class DDR Wolgast 18. Test Ship battalion
V813 Rosslau Kondor class DDR Wolgast 18. Test Ship battalion
V814 Greifswald Kondor class DDR Wolgast 18. Test Ship battalion


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part II of the German Navy


Auxilaries over 1000 tons displacement
A1412 Frankfurt-am-Main FRG
A1413 Freiburg 1968 FRG Wilhelmshaven frigate support
A1414 Glucksburg 1968 FRG Wilhelmshaven FAC support
A1416 Nienburg FRG
A1418 Meersburg 1968 FRG Kiel submarine tender
A1424 Walchensee 1966 FRG Kiel coastal AO
A1425 Ammersee 1967 FRG Kiel coastal AO
A1426 Tegernsee 1967 FRG Wilhelmshaven coastal AO
A1427 Westensee 1967 FRG Kiel coastal AO
A1435 Westerwald 1967 FRG Wilhelmshaven AE
A1436 Odenwald 1967 FRG Wilhelmshaven AE
A1439 Baltrum 1968 FRG Neustadt ocean tug
A1440 Juist 1971 FRG Neustadt ocean tug
A1441 Langeoog 1968 FRG Eckernforde ocean tug
A1442 Spessart 1974/77 FRG Kiel AOG
A1443 Rhoen 1974/77 FRG Wilhelmshaven AOG
A1451 Wangerooge 1968 FRG Wilhelmshaven ocean tug
A1452 Spiekeroog 1968 FRG Kiel ocean tug
A1455 Norderney 1970 FRG Wilhelmshaven ocean tug
A1457 Helgoland 1966 FRG salvage tug
A1458 Fehmarn 1967 FRG Kiel salvage tug
A50 Alster 1989 FRG Kiel AGI
A511 Elbe 1993 FRG Warnemnde missile boat tender
A512 Mosel 1993 FRG Oplenitz minecraft tender
A513 Rhein 1993 FRG Flensburg minecraft tender
A514 Werra 1993 FRG Olpenitz minecraft tender
A515 Main 1994 FRG Olpenitz missile boat tender
A516 Donau 1994 FRG Warnemdne missile boat tender
A52 Oste 1988 FRG Kiel AGI
A53 Oker 1988 FRG Kiel AGI
H71 Vogtland Ohre class 1984 DDR Dranske barracks/support ship
H11 Altmark Ohre class 1984 DDR Dranske barracks/support ship
H31 Harz Ohre class 1985 DDR Dranske barracks/support ship
H51 Havelland Ohre class 1985 DDR Dranske barracks/support ship
H72 Börde Ohre class 1985 DDR Dranske barracks/support ship
H91 Uckermark Ohre class 1985 DDR Dranske barracks/support ship
C661 Riems Riems class 1960 DDR Dranske AOG
C111 Hiddensee Riems class 1961 DDR Peenemuende AOG
C43 Poel Riems class 1961 DDR reserve AOG
E171 Nordperd Frosch II class 1980 DDR AE
E172 Sudperd Frosch II class 1980 DDR AE
V815 Werdau Darss class DDR Wolgast 18. Test Ship battalion
E661 Wittow Darss class DDR Dranske 6. Ship battalion, 6.SiStSA
E441 Darss Darss class 1983 DDR Rostock 4. Ship battalion, 4.SiStSA
P816 Granitz Darss class DDR Wolgast 18. Test Ship battalion
P441 Kühlung Darss class DDR Rostock 4. Ship battalion, 4.SiStSA
E111 Mönchgut Darss class 1982 DDR Peenemuende 1. Ship battalion
D41 Jasmund Darss class DDR Rostock 4. Surveying ship battalion AGI
D42 Comet Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Surveying ship battalion AGI
D43 Meteor Kondor class DDR Rostock 4. Surveying ship battalion AGI
C441 Hochseetanker Baskunchak class DDR Rostock 4. Ship battalion, 4.SiStSA AO
C443 Tankleichter Baskunchak class DDR Rostock 4. Ship battalion, 4.SiStSA AO
A441 Otto von Guericke (A 441) salvage vessel (Piast class) Piast class 1977 DDR Rostock 4. Ship battalion, 4.SiStSA salvage ship
S41 Wilhelm Pieck Wodnik class 1976 DDR Rostock school ship


Aviation
Marinefliegergeschwader 28 (MFG-28) Paul Wieczoreck 23 x Su-22M4 “FITTER K” Laage
4 x Su-22UM3K “FITTER G”
Marinehubschraubergeschwader 18 (MHG-18) Kurt Barthel 2 x Mi-8T “HIP” Parow
10 x Mi-8TB “HIP E”
1 x Mi-8S “HIP”
8 x Mi-14PL “HAZE A”
6 x Mi-14BT “HAZE B”
Marinefliegergeschwader 1 (MFG-1) 48 x Tornado IDS Schleswig - Jagel
Marinefliegergeschwader 2 (MFG-2) 48 x Tornado IDS Eggebek
Marinefliegergeschwader 3 (MFG-3) Graf Zeppelin 18 x Atlantique, 18 x Sea Lynx (embarked) Nordholz
Marinefliegergeschwader 5 (MFG-5) 20 x Sea King SAR, Do28 Kiel Holtenau


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The players in my campaign boarded and took over one of those old Shershen class torpedo boats being operated by a KGB group following their time in Warsaw, and sailed it a good part of the way down the Vistula River before it was critically damaged in a battle with a GRU group and they had to abandon it. The party booby trapped the ship heavily before they left it, however, and as a result a couple of dozen Russians were killed when they tried to salvage the vessel.
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Really good list of ships, Chico.


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Soviet Navy, 1 JAN 1996, Twilight War

Major surface combatants:

Name Soviet Type NATO Type Soviet Project NATO Class Fleet Yr Completed Notes

Kirov ARKR BCGN 1144 Kirov Northern 1980
Frunze ARKR BCGN 1144 Kirov Pacific 1984
Kalinin ARKR BCGN 1144 Kirov Northern 1988
Yuri Andropov ARKR BCGN 1144 Kirov Pacific 1992
Dzerzhinskiy ARKR BCGN 1144 Kirov Northern 1996

Zhdanov KU CC 68U Sverdlov Command Black Sea 1952
Admiral Senyavin KU CC 68U Sverdlov Command Pacific 1954

Groznyy RKR CG 58 Kynda Baltic 1962
Steregushyy RKR CG 58 Kynda Pacific 1964
Doblestnyy RKR CG 58 Kynda Black Sea 1964
Soobrazitelnyy RKR CG 58 Kynda Pacific 1965

Admiral Zozulya RKR CG 1134 Kresta I Baltic 1967
Vitse Admiral Drozd RKR CG 1134 Kresta I Northern 1968
Vladivostok RKR CG 1134 Kresta I Pacific 1969
Sevastopol RKR CG 1134 Kresta I Pacific 1969

Slava RK CG 1164 Slava Black Sea 1982
Marshal Ustinov RK CG 1164 Slava Northern 1986
Chervona Ukraina RK CG 1164 Slava Pacific 1989
Admiral Lobov RK CG 1164 Slava ? 1990
Oktyabrskskaya Revolutsia RK CG 1164 Slava ? 1992
Admiral Gorshkov RK CG 1164 Slava ? 1994

Kronshtadt BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Northern 1969
Admiral Isakov BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Northern 1970
Admiral Nakhimov BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Northern 1971
Admiral Makarov BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Northern 1972
Marshal Voroshilov BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Pacific 1973
Admiral Oktyabrsky BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Pacific 1973
Admiral Isachenkov BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Northern 1974
Marshal Timoshenko BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Northern 1975
Vasiliy Chapayev BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Pacific 1976
Admiral Yumashev BPK CG 1134A Kresta II Northern 1977

Nikolayev BPK CG 1134B Kara Black Sea 1971
Ochakov BPK CG 1134B Kara Black Sea 1973
Kerch BPK CG 1134B Kara Black Sea 1974
Petropavlovsk BPK CG 1134B Kara Pacific 1976
Tashkent BPK CG 1134B Kara Pacific 1977
Tallin BPK CG 1134B Kara Pacific 1979
Azov BPK CG 1134BF Kara Black Sea 1975

Dzerzhinskiy KR CG 70E Sverdlov SAM Black Sea 1952
Moskva PKR CGH 1123 Moskva Black Sea 1967
Leningrad PKR CGH 1123 Moskva Black Sea 1969
Admiral Ushakov KR CL 68A Sverdlov AA Black Sea 1953
Oktyobraskaya Revolutsiya (ex-Molotovsk) KR CL 68A Sverdlov AA Baltic 1954
Mikhail Kutuzov KR CL 68A Sverdlov AA Black Sea 1954
Sverdlov KR CL 68bis Sverdlov Baltic 1952
Aleksandr Nevskiy KR CL 68bis Sverdlov Northern 1952
Admiral Lazarev KR CL 68bis Sverdlov Pacific 1953
Aleksandr Suvorov KR CL 68bis Sverdlov Pacific 1953
Dmitriy Pozharskiy KR CL 68bis Sverdlov Pacific 1954
Murmansk KR CL 68bis Sverdlov Northern 1955

Zheleznyakov KU CL 68K Chapayev Baltic 1950 reserve
Komsomolets (ex-Chkalov) KU CL 68K Chapayev Baltic 1950 reserve

Admiral Kuznetsov (ex-Riga, ex-Leonid Brezhnev, ex-Tblisi) TAKR CV 1143.5 Kuznetsov Northern 1990
Varyag (ex-Riga) TAKR CV 1143.5 Kuznetsov Pacific 1993

Ulyanovsk (ex-Bogatyr, ex-Rossiya) TAKR CV 1143.7 Ulyanovsk ? 1995
Orel TAKR CV 1143.7 Ulyanovsk never completed

Kiev AKR CVGH 1143 Kiev Northern 1975
Minsk AKR CVGH 1143 Kiev Pacific 1978
Novorossisk AKR CVGH 1143 Kiev Pacific 1982

Baku AKR CVGH 1143.4 Baku Northern 1987

Ognennyy EM DD 31 Skory EW Baltic 1949 reserve
Vikhrevoy EM DD 31 Skory EW Pacific 1950 reserve
UTS-538 (ex-Besshumnyy) EM DD 31 Skory EW Pacific 1951 reserve
Okhranyayuchiy EM DD 31 Skory EW Northern 1951 reserve
Vernyy EM DD 31 Skory EW Pacific 1951 reserve
Opasnyy - Severodvinsk EM DD 31 Skory EW Baltic 1952 reserve

Svetly BPK DD 56 Kotlin Baltic 1955
Speshny BPK DD 56 Kotlin Baltic 1955
Spokoyny BPK DD 56 Kotlin Northern 1956
Veskiy BPK DD 56 Kotlin Pacific 1956
Vliyatelnyy BPK DD 56 Kotlin Pacific 1957
Dalnyvostochnyy Komsomolets BPK DD 56 Kotlin Pacific 1957

Komsomolets Ukrainy BPK DD 61 Kashin Black Sea 1962
Soobrazitelny BPK DD 61 Kashin Northern 1963
Obraztsovy BPK DD 61 Kashin Baltic 1965
Odarenny BPK DD 61 Kashin Pacific 1965
Krasny Kavkaz BPK DD 61 Kashin Black Sea 1966
Steregushchy BPK DD 61 Kashin Pacific 1966
Reshitelny BPK DD 61 Kashin Black Sea 1967
Strogiy BPK DD 61 Kashin Pacific 1968
Smetlivy BPK DD 61 Kashin Black Sea 1969
Krasny Krym BPK DD 61 Kashin Black Sea 1970
Sposobny BPK DD 61 Kashin Pacific 1971
Skory BPK DD 61 Kashin Black Sea 1972

Udaloy BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Northern 1980
Vitse-Admiral Kulakov BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Northern 1981
Marshal Vasil'yevsky BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Northern 1983
Admiral Zakharov BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Pacific 1983
Admiral Spiridonov BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Pacific 1984
Admiral Tributs BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Pacific 1985
Marshal Shaposhnikov BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Pacific 1985
Simferopol BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Northern 1987
Admiral Levchenko BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Northern 1988
Admiral Vinogradov BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Pacific 1988
Admiral Kharlamov BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Northern 1989
Admiral Panteleyev BPK DD 1155 Udaloy Pacific 1990

Admiral Chabanenko BRK DD 1155.1 Udaloy II ? 1991 KGB?
Admiral Basisty BRK DD 1155.1 Udaloy II ? 1991 KGB?
Admiral Kucherov BRK DD 1155.1 Udaloy II ? 1992 KGB?

SM-202 (ex-Vstrechnyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1949 reserve
Buynyy EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1950 reserve
Bystryy EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1950 reserve
Otmennyy EM DD 30bis Skory Northern 1950 reserve
Otryvistyy EM DD 30bis Skory Northern 1950 reserve
Stoyky EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1950 reserve
Surovy EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1950 reserve
UTS-27 (ex-Vechnyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1950 reserve
SM-296 (ex-Velichavyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1950 reserve
SM-316 (ex-Vertkiy) EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1950 reserve
PKZ-36 (ex-Besposhadnyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1951 reserve
Okrylyennyy EM DD 30bis Skory Northern 1951 reserve
Ostorozhnyy EM DD 30bis Skory Northern 1951 reserve
Ostryy EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1951 reserve
Otradnyy EM DD 30bis Skory Northern 1951 reserve
SM-449 (ex-Ozarennyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1951 reserve
OT-20 (ex-Sokrushitel'nyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1951 reserve
PKZ-33 (ex-Stremitel'nyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1951 reserve
UTS-263 (ex-Vidnyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1951 reserve
Vnimatel'nyy EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1951 reserve
SM-274 (ex-Bezboyaznennyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1952 reserve
Bezotkaznyy EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1952 reserve
Otzyvchivyy EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1952 reserve
Ser'yeznyy EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1952 reserve
Smotryachiy EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1952 reserve
Solidny EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1952 reserve
Sovershenny EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1952 reserve
Statny EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1952 reserve
SM-132 (ex-Svobodny) EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1952 reserve
OT-1 (ex-Vdumchivyy) EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1952 reserve
Vkradchivyy EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1952 reserve
Vol'nyy EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1952 reserve
Ozhivlyennyy EM DD 30bis Skory Black Sea 1953 reserve
Stepennyy EM DD 30bis Skory Baltic 1953 reserve
Vrazumitel'nyy EM DD 30bis Skory Pacific 1953 reserve

Blestyashiy BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Black Sea 1955
Byvaly BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Northern 1955
Svedushiy BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Black Sea 1956
Smyshleny BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Northern 1956
Bessledny BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Pacific 1956
Burlivyy BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Pacific 1956
Vyzyvayushiy BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Pacific 1956
Vdokhnovenny BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Pacific 1956
Vozmushenny BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Pacific 1956
Blagorodnyy BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Baltic 1957
Plamennyy BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Northern 1957
Naporistiy BPK DD 56PLO Kotlin Mod Black Sea 1957

Provorny BPK DD 61E Kashin E Black Sea 1964

Ognevoy BPK DD 61M Kashin M Northern 1964
Slavny BPK DD 61M Kashin M Baltic 1966

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Smyshleny BPK DD 61M Kashin M Northern 1968
Sderzhanny BPK DD 61M Kashin M Black Sea 1973
Stroyny BPK DD 61MP Kashin MP Northern 1966

Sovremenny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1980
Otchayanny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1982
Otlichnny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1983
Osmotritel'nyy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Pacific 1984
Bezuprechnyy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1985
Boyevoy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Pacific 1986
Stoyky EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Pacific 1986
Okrylenny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1987
Burny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Pacific 1988
Gremyashchy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1988
Bystry EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Pacific 1989
Rastoropny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1989
Bezboyaznenny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Pacific 1990
Bezuderzhny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1991
Bespokoiny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Baltic 1991
Moskovskiy Komsomolets EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Baltic 1992
Besstrashny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny Northern 1992
Vnushitelniy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1993
Vazhny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1993
Vdumchivy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1994
Buliny EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1994
Vechniy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1995
Pytlivyy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1995
Gubitelnyy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1996
Lovkiy EM DDG 956 Sovremenny ? 1996

Skromny BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Northern 1955
Skrytny BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Pacific 1956
Soznatel'nyy BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Black Sea 1956
Bravyy BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Black Sea 1956
Nesokrushimyy BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Northern 1957
Nakhodchivyy BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Black Sea 1957
Nastoychivyy BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Baltic 1957
Vozbuzhdennyy BRK DDG 56A Kotlin SAM Pacific 1957

Bedovyy BPK DDG 56M Kildin Black Sea 1958
Prozorlivyy BPK DDG 56M Kildin Baltic 1958
Neulovimyy BPK DDG 56M Kildin Black Sea 1958
Neuderzhimyy BPK DDG 56M Kildin Pacific 1958

Gnevny BRK DDG 57A Kanin Pacific 1960
Gremyashchy BRK DDG 57A Kanin Northern 1960
Uporny BRK DDG 57A Kanin Pacific 1960
Zhguchy BRK DDG 57A Kanin Northern 1960
Gordy BRK DDG 57A Kanin Pacific 1961
Boiky BRK DDG 57A Kanin Northern 1961
Zorky BRK DDG 57A Kanin Baltic 1961
Derzky BRK DDG 57A Kanin Northern 1961

UTS-256 (ex-Sokol) SKR FF 42 Berkut Northern 1952 reserve
Sovetskiy Azerbaidzhan (ex-Grif) SKR FF 42 Berkut Caspian 1952 reserve
Sovetskiy Dagestan (ex-Krechet) SKR FF 42 Berkut Caspian 1952 reserve
Sovetskiy Turkmenistan (ex-Orlan) SKR FF 42 Berkut Caspian 1953 reserve
UTS-257 (ex-Lev) SKR FF 42 Berkut Northern 1953 reserve

Komsomolets Gruzyy (ex-Yaguar) SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1954 reserve
Rosomakha SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1954 reserve
Leopard SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1954 reserve
Sovetskiy Turkmenistan (ex-Pantera) SKR FF 50 Riga Caspian 1954
Rys' SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1954 reserve
Gornostay SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1954 reserve
Bars SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1954 reserve
Kuguar SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1954 reserve
Barsuk SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1954 reserve
Laska (ex-Giena) SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1954 reserve
Volk SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1954 reserve
Kunitsa SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1954 reserve
Lun' SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1954 reserve
Pingvin SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1954 reserve
Gepard SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1954 reserve
Norka SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1955 reserve
Voron SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1955 reserve
Los' SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1955 reserve
SKR-51 SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1955 reserve
Tuman (ex-SKR-52) SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1955 reserve
SKR-54 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1955 reserve
SKR-55 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1955 reserve
SKR-50 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1956 reserve
SKR-57 SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1956 reserve
SKR-58 SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1956 reserve
Sovetskiy Azerbaidzhan (ex-SKR-56) SKR FF 50 Riga Caspian 1956
SKR-59 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1956 reserve
SM-141 (ex-SKR-63) SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1956 target craft
SKR-60 SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1956 reserve
SKR-61 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1956 reserve
Irkutskiy Komsomolets (ex-SKR-62) SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1956 reserve
SKR-66 SKR FF 50 Riga Black Sea 1956 reserve
Komsomolets Litvy (ex-SKR-64) SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1956 reserve
SKR-65 SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1956 reserve
SKR-68 SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1957 reserve
SKR-70 SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1957 reserve
SKR-71 SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1957 reserve
SKR-72 SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1957 reserve
SKR-73 SKR FF 50 Riga Caspian 1957
SKR-74 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1957 reserve
SKR-75 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1957 reserve
Arkhangelskiy Komsomolets (ex-SKR-76) SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1958 reserve
Sovetskiy Dagestan (ex-SKR-77) SKR FF 50 Riga Caspian 1958
SKR-80 SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1958 reserve
SKR-81 SKR FF 50 Riga Northern 1958 reserve
SKR-4 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1958 reserve
SKR-5 SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1958 reserve
SKR-8 SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1958 reserve
SKR-10 SKR FF 50 Riga Pacific 1958 reserve
SKR-14 SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1959 reserve
SKR-15 SKR FF 50 Riga Baltic 1959 reserve

Del'fin SKR FF 1159 Koni Black Sea 1975 training ship for export ship crews

Bditelny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Baltic 1970
Dostoiny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Northern 1971
Svirepy SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Baltic 1972
Doblyestny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Northern 1973
Storozhevoi SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Baltic 1973
Rasyashchy SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Pacific 1974
Razumny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Baltic 1974
Deyatelny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Black Sea 1975
Druzhny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Baltic 1975
Retivy SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Pacific 1976
Zharki SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Northern 1976
Bezzavetny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Black Sea 1977
Buzukoriznenny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Black Sea 1979
Zadorny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Northern 1979
Ladny SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Black Sea 1980
Poryvisty SKR FFG 1135 Krivak I Pacific 1981

Menzhinsky PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III Pacific 1983 KGB
Dzerzhinsky PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III Pacific 1984 KGB
Imeni XXVII Sezda KPSS PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III Pacific 1986 KGB
Imeni LXX Letiya Pogranvoysk PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III Pacific 1988 KGB
Kedrov PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III Pacific 1989 KGB
Vorovsky PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III Pacific 1990 KGB
Kirov PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III ? 1991 KGB
Krasny Vympel PSKR FFG 1135.1 Krivak III ? 1992 KGB
Bodry SKR FFG 1135.2 Krivak IV Baltic 1971
Silny SKR FFG 1135.2 Krivak IV Baltic 1973
Leningradskiy Komsomolets SKR FFG 1135.2 Krivak IV Northern 1977
Letuchky SKR FFG 1135.2 Krivak IV Pacific 1978
Pylkiy SKR FFG 1135.2 Krivak IV Baltic 1978

Neustrashimyy SKR FFG 1154 Neustrashimyy Baltic 1990
Nepristupnyy SKR FFG 1154 Neustrashimyy ? 1991
Tuman SKR FFG 1154 Neustrashimyy ? 1992
Nepokornyy SKR FFG 1154 Neustrashimyy ? 1993
? SKR FFG 1154 Neustrashimyy ? 1994
?? SKR FFG 1154 Neustrashimyy ? 1995
??? SKR FFG 1154 Neustrashimyy ? 1996

Rezvy SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Northern 1975
Razitelny SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Black Sea 1976
Rezkiy SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Pacific 1976
Grozyashchy SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Pacific 1977
Komsomolets Lithuania SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Baltic 1977
Gromky SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Northern 1978
Bessmenny SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Northern 1978
Gordelivy SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Pacific 1979
Ryany SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Pacific 1979
Revnosty SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Pacific 1980
Pytlivy SKR FFG 1135M Krivak II Black Sea 1981

SKR-39 SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1964
SKR-20 SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1964
SKR-7 SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1964
SKR-32 SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1964
SKR-86 SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1964
Ivan Sladkoe (ex-SKR-49) SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1965
SKR-53 SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1965
SKR-24 SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1965

SKR-84 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Black Sea 1965
SKR-48 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Baltic 1965
60 let Komsomolu Belorussyy (ex-SKR-83) SKR FFL 35 Mirka I Baltic 1966
SKR-12 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Baltic 1966
SKR-19 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Baltic 1966
Gangutets (ex-SKR-35) SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Baltic 1966
SKR-6 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Black Sea 1966
SKR-13 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Black Sea 1966
SKR-90 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Baltic 1967
SKR-117 SKR FFL 35 Mirka II Black Sea 1967

SKR-26 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Northern 1961 reserve
OSS-332 (ex-SKR-1) SKR FFL 159 Petya I Black Sea 1961 reserve
OS-34 (ex-SKR-17) SKR FFL 159 Petya I Black Sea 1962 reserve
SKR-9 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Northern 1962 reserve
SKR-22 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Northern 1962 reserve
SKR-18 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Pacific 1962 reserve
SKR-27 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Black Sea 1962 reserve
OS-333 (ex-SKR-30) SKR FFL 159 Petya I Black Sea 1962 reserve
SKR-11 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Pacific 1963 reserve
SKR-41 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Pacific 1964 reserve
SKR-40 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Black Sea 1964 reserve
SKR-3 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Pacific 1964 reserve
SKR-34 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Northern 1964 reserve
SKR-23 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Pacific 1965 reserve
SKR-29 SKR FFL 159 Petya I Northern 1966 reserve
SKR-78 - Khabarovsk SKR FFL 159 Petya I Pacific 1966 reserve
Orlovskiy Komsomolets (ex-SKR-21) SKR FFL 159 Petya I Pacific 1966 reserve

MPK-147 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Black Sea 1970
MPK-131 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Northern 1970
MPK-33 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Northern 1971
MPK-47 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Northern 1971
MPK-52 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Black Sea 1971
MPK-36 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Pacific 1972
MPK-65 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Northern 1972
MPK-3 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Northern 1972
MPK-41 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Pacific 1972
MPK-8 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Black Sea 1973
MPK-31 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Northern 1973
MPK-117 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha I Pacific 1973

Odesskyy Komsomolets (ex-MPK-43) MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Black Sea 1974

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MPK-81 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1974
MPK-40 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Northern 1975
MPK-122 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1975
Komsomolets Gruzyy (ex-MPK-127) MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Black Sea 1976
MPK-143 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1976
MPK-138 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Northern 1976
MPK-141 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Black Sea 1977
MPK-145 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1977
MPK-152 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Black Sea 1977
MPK-170 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1978
MPK-6 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Black Sea 1978
MPK-161 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Baltic 1978
MPK-4 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1979
MPK-2 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Baltic 1979
Zaporozhskiy Komsomolets (ex-MPK-101) MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1979
MPK-155 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1980
Komsomolets Latvyy (ex-MPK-44) MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Baltic 1980
MPK-37 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1980
MPK-108 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Baltic 1981
MPK-49 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Black Sea 1982
MPK-178 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1984
MPK-191 MPK FFL 1124 Grisha III Pacific 1985

MPK-104 MPK FFL 1124K Grisha IV Black Sea 1980

Kievskiy Komsomolets (ex-MPK-64) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Black Sea 1982
Komsomolets Moldavyy (ex-MPK-118) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Black Sea 1983
MPK-139 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1984
MPK-142 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1984
MPK-190 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1985
Komsomolets Armenyy (ex-MPK-199) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Black Sea 1986
MPK-198 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1986
MPK-202 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1987
MPK-69 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1987
Primorskyy Komsomolets (ex-MPK-200) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1987
MPK-113 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1987
Brestskiy Komsomolets (ex-MPK-194) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1988
MPK-89 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1988
MPK-196 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1988
MPK-207 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Black Sea 1989
MPK-197 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1989
MPK-222 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1989
MPK-217 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Black Sea 1989
MPK-28 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1989
MPK-203 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1989
Arkhangelskiy Komsomolets (ex-MPK-130) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1990
Leninskaya Kuznitsa (ex-MPK-214) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1990
Irkutskiy Komsomolets (ex-MPK-107) MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1990
MPK-56 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1990
MPK-64 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1990
MPK-82 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1991
MPK-10 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1991
MPK-17 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Pacific 1991
MPK-14 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1991
MPK-134 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V ? 1992
MPK-59 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V Northern 1992
MPK-20 MPK FFL 1124M Grisha V ? 1992

Brilliant PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Northern 1973 KGB
Zhemchug PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Northern 1974 KGB
Izumrud PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Northern 1974 KGB
Rubin PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Northern 1975 KGB
Ametist PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Northern 1975 KGB
Dnepr PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Black Sea 1976 KGB
Izmail PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Black Sea 1980 KGB
Bditelnyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1981 KGB
Bezuprechnyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1981 KGB
Provornyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Baltic 1982 KGB
Zorkiy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1982 KGB
Predannyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Baltic 1983 KGB
Reshitelnyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1983 KGB
Smelyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1983 KGB
Nadyezhnyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Northern 1984 KGB
Dozornyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Northern 1985 KGB
Bravyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1991 KGB
Vernyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1991 KGB
Strogyy PSKR FFL 1124P Grisha II Pacific 1991 KGB

SKR-16 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Caspian 1967
SKR-103 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Northern 1967 reserve
SKR-36 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Pacific 1967 reserve
SKR-106 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Northern 1967 reserve
SKR-92 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Pacific 1967 reserve
SKR-110 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Black Sea 1967 reserve
SKR-112 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Black Sea 1968 reserve
Komsomolets Dagestana (ex-SKR-87) SKR FFL 159A Petya II Caspian 1968
SKR-98 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Northern 1969 reserve
SKR-120 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Northern 1970 reserve
SKR-123 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Northern 1970 reserve
SKR-126 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Northern 1970 reserve
SKR-133 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Pacific 1970 reserve
SKR-138 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Pacific 1971 reserve
SKR-128 SKR FFL 159A Petya II Pacific 1972 reserve

SKR-38 SKR FFL 159M Mod-Petya I Baltic 1961 reserve
SKR-47 SKR FFL 159M Mod-Petya I Northern 1961 reserve
SKR-33 SKR FFL 159M Mod-Petya I Northern 1962 reserve
SKR-43 SKR FFL 159M Mod-Petya I Pacific 1964 reserve
SKR-46 SKR FFL 159M Mod-Petya I Pacific 1965 reserve

MPK-15 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1960 training
MPK-16 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1960 reserve
MPK-72 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1962 reserve
MPK-75 MPK PC 204 Poti DOSAAF 1962 training
MPK-88 MPK PC 204 Poti DOSAAF 1962 training
MPK-169 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1962 reserve
MPK-79 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1962 reserve
MPK-58 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1963 reserve
MPK-85 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1963 reserve
MPK-14 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1963 reserve
MPK-103 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1963 reserve
SM-450 (ex-MPK-107) MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1963 training
MPK-56 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1963 reserve
SM-261 (ex-MPK-84) MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1963 training
MPK-150 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1963 reserve
MPK-166 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1963 reserve
MPK-156 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1963 reserve
MPK-13 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1963 reserve
MPK-45 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1963 reserve
MPK-50 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1963 reserve
MPK-10 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1964 reserve
OS-573 (ex-MPK-62) MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1964 training
MPK-68 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1964 reserve
MPK-1 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1964 reserve
MPK-55 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1964 reserve
MPK-70 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1964 reserve
MPK-63 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1964 reserve
MPK-21 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1964 reserve
MPK-23 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1964 reserve
MPK-38 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1965 reserve
MPK-19 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1965 reserve
MPK-17 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1965 reserve
SM-448 (ex-MPK-20) MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1965 training
MPK-27 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1965 reserve
MPK-25 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1965 reserve
MPK-29 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1965 reserve
MPK-18 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1965 reserve
MPK-54 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1965 reserve
MPK-100 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1966 reserve
MPK-111 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1966 reserve
MPK-112 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1966 reserve
MPK-74 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1966 reserve
MPK-80 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1966 reserve
MPK-90 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1966 reserve
MPK-92 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1966 reserve
MPK-114 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1967 reserve
MPK-134 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1967 reserve
MPK-86 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1967 reserve
MPK-95 MPK PC 204 Poti Northern 1967 reserve
MPK-97 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1967 reserve
MPK-83 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1967 reserve
MPK-94 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1967 reserve
MPK-98 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1967 reserve
MPK-128 MPK PC 204 Poti Black Sea 1968 reserve
MPK-136 MPK PC 204 Poti Pacific 1968 reserve
MPK-102 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1968 reserve
MPK-119 MPK PC 204 Poti Baltic 1968 reserve

MPK-140 MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I Baltic 1979
MPK-144 MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I Baltic 1980
Komsomolets Bashkirii (ex-MPK-60) MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I Baltic 1980
PSKR-800 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1980 KGB
MPK-76 MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I Baltic 1981
PSKR-801 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1981 KGB
PSKR-802 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Tallin 1981 KGB
MPK-93 MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I Black Sea 1982
PSKR-803 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1982 KGB
PSKR-804 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Tallin 1982 KGB
PSKR-805 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1983 KGB
PSKR-806 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Tallin 1983 KGB
Grigoriy Kuropyatnikov PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Balaklava 1984 KGB
PSKR-807 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1984 KGB
PSKR-808 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Novorossisk 1984 KGB
MPK-116 MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I Black Sea 1985
PSKR-809 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1985 KGB
PSKR-810 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Ventspils 1986 KGB
PSKR-811 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Novorossisk 1986 KGB
PSKR-812 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1986 KGB
PSKR-813 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Balaklava 1987 KGB
PSKR-814 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Novorossisk 1987 KGB
PSKR-815 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Balaklava 1987 KGB
PSKR-816 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1987 KGB
PSKR-815 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Ventspils 1988 KGB
PSKR-817 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Ventspils 1988 KGB
PSKR-818 PSKR PC 1241.2 Pauk I Nakhoda 1988 KGB
MPK-? MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I ? 1989
MPK-? MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I ? 1989
MPK-? MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I ? 1990
MPK-? MPK PC 1241.2 Pauk I ? 1990

MPK-192 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1986
MPK-205 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1987
MPK-67 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1987
MPK-99 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1988
MPK-105 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1988
MPK-213 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1988
MPK-216 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1988
MPK-219 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1988
MPK-224 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1989
MPK-227 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1989
MPK-228 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1989
MPK-229 MPK PC 1331M Parchim II Baltic 1990

Burya (ex-MRK-3) MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Black Sea 1970
Briz (ex-MRK-7) MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Pacific 1970
Vikhr MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Pacific 1971
Volna MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Northern 1971
Grad MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Baltic 1972
Groza MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Black Sea 1972

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Grom MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Black Sea 1972
Zarnitsa MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Black Sea 1973
Molniya MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Baltic 1973
Shkval MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Baltic 1974
Zarya MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Northern 1974
Metel MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Northern 1974
Shtorm MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Baltic 1975
Raduga MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Baltic 1975
Burun MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Baltic 1977
Tsiklon MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Pacific 1977
Veter MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Northern 1978
Komsomolets Mordovyy (ex-Zyb) MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Black Sea 1978
Aysberg MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Northern 1979
Tucha MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Northern 1980
Uragan MRK PCM 1234 Nanuchka I Northern 1983

Tayfun MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Pacific 1979
Priboy MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Northern 1984
Smerch MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Pacific 1984
Priliv MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Baltic 1985
Mirazh MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Black Sea 1986
XX sezd VLKSM (ex-Liven) MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Pacific 1987
Meteor MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Baltic 1987
Rassvet MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Northern 1988
Zyb MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Baltic 1989
Geyzer MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Baltic 1989
Moroz MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Pacific 1989
Razliv MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Pacific 1990
Passat MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Baltic 1990
Liven MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III Baltic 1991
Perekat MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III ? 1992
Koreyets MRK PCM 1234.1 Nanuchka III ? 1992

Nakat MRK PCM 1234.7 Nanuchka IV Northern 1987

MRK-27 MRK PCM 1239 Dergach Black Sea 1990
MRK-17 MRK PCM 1239 Dergach Baltic 1991
?? MRK PCM 1239 Dergach ? 1993

Aleksandr Kunakhovich MRP PH 1141 Babocha Black Sea 1977

MPK-215 MPK PH 1145.1 Mukha Black Sea 1987
MPK-220 MPK PH 1145.1 Mukha Black Sea 1990
MPK-231 MPK PH 1145.1 Mukha ? 1992
?? MPK PH 1145.1 Mukha ? 1994
??? MPK PH 1145.1 Mukha ? 1995

MRK-5 MRP PHM 1240 Sarancha Black Sea 1977

some classes are missing in the under 500 ton category, plus amphibious ships, mine warfare, auxilaries, the rest of the KGB border guard and submarines...

Enjoy!
-Chico

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Great list as always Chico. Now I can get to work on figuring out how the Russian Fleet in the Pacific managed to stay some what intact after two years of fighting the PRC's Navy and other questions regarding Soviet Naval deployments. (i.e. How the heck did the Russian Navy get out of the Black Sea and through the GIUK GAP without SOSUS picking it up?)


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Chico:

We need to list an acronym definition to go with these lists.


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Hazegray has a good list at:
http://www.hazegray.org/faq/smn2.htm

I included the Soviet designations for the more purists out there. The NATO designations (DDG, FFL) and class names are also there, so the Soviet ones can be ignored if you want.


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Thanks very much. BTW, here is the list of Canadian ships

Destroyers


Iroquois-class area air defence destroyers
HMCS Algonquin
HMCS Athabaskan
HMCS Iroquois
HMCS Huron (in reserve)

Frigates

Halifax-class multi-role patrol frigates
HMCS Calgary
HMCS Charlottetown
HMCS Fredericton
HMCS Halifax
HMCS Montréal
HMCS Ottawa
HMCS Regina
HMCS St. John's
HMCS Toronto
HMCS Vancouver
HMCS Ville de Québec
HMCS Winnipeg

Submarines

Oberon Class SSK
HMCS Ojibwa
HMCS Okanagan
HMCS Onondaga

Minor War Vessels

Kingston-class Maritime Coastal Defence Vessel coastal defence vessels
HMCS Brandon
HMCS Edmonton
HMCS Glace Bay
HMCS Goose Bay
HMCS Kingston
HMCS Moncton
HMCS Nanaimo
HMCS Saskatoon
HMCS Shawinigan
HMCS Summerside
HMCS Whitehorse
HMCS Yellowknife

Auxiliaries

Protecteur-class auxiliary oil replenishment
HMCS Preserver
HMCS Protecteur


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Soviet Submarine Force, Twilight War, 1 JUN 1996
(guesses as to names of new construction and which old diesel boats retained in reserve)
shipbuilding program continues as in place 1988.

Name Soviet Type NATO Type Soviet Proj NATO Class Fleet Yr Complete Notes
K-279 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1972
K-450 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1972 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier
K-385 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1973
K-447 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1973
K-457 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1973 41 Sub Div
K-171 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1974
K-366 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1974
K-460 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1974 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier
K-465 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1974
K-472 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1974 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier
K-475 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Northern 1974 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier
K-417 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1975
K-477 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1975
K-497 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1976 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier
K-500 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1976 21 Sub Div SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier
70 Let VLKSM (ex-K-512) PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1977 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier
K-523 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1977 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier
K-530 PLARB SSBN 667B Delta I Pacific 1977 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier

K-193 PLARB SSBN 667BD Delta II Northern 1975 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier
K-421 PLARB SSBN 667BD Delta II Northern 1975 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier
K-92 PLARB SSBN 667BD Delta II Northern 1975 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier
Shestidesyatiletie Velikogo Oktyabrya (ex-K-182) PLARB SSBN 667BD Delta II Northern 1975 SS-N-8 mod 2 carrier

K-424 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Northern 1976 31 Sub Div
K-441 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1976
K-449 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1976
K-455 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1976
K-487 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Northern 1977 31 Sub Div
K-490 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1977
K-496 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Northern 1977 31 Sub Div
K-506 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1978 25 Sub Div
K-211 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1979
K-223 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1979
K-180 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1980
K-433 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Pacific 1980
K-44 PLARB SSBN 667BDR Delta III Northern 1982 31 Sub Div

XXVI Zvezda KPSS (ex-K-51) PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV Northern 1984
K-84 PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV Northern 1985 13th Sub Div
K-64 PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV Northern 1986
Tula (ex-K-114) PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV Northern 1987
K-117 PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV Northern 1988 13th Sub Div
K-18 PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV Northern 1989 13th Sub Div
K-407 PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV Northern 1990
K-179 PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV ? 1991
K-384 PLARB SSBN 667BDRM Delta IV ? 1992

K-55 PLARB SSBN 658U Hotel II Pacific 1960 reserve 45 Sub Div
KS-19 (ex-K-19) aka "Widowmaker" PLARB SSBN 658M Hotel II Northern 1960 reserve 18 Sub Div
K-178 PLARB SSBN 658U Hotel II Pacific 1962 training 45 Sub Div
K-145 PLARB SSBN 701 Hotel III Northern 1962 reserve 18 Sub Div

TK-208 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon Northern 1981 18th Sub Div
TK-202 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon Northern 1983 18th Sub Div
TK-12 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon Northern 1984 18th Sub Div
TK-13 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon Northern 1985 18th Sub Div
TK-17 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon Northern 1987 18th Sub Div
TK-20 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon Northern 1989 18th Sub Div
TK-210 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon ? 1991 18th Sub Div (materials assembled but never laid down IRL)
TK-213 PLARB SSBN 941 Typhoon ? 1993

Leninist (ex-K-137) PLARB SSBN 667AU Yankee Northern 1967
K-26 PLARB SSBN 667AU Yankee Northern 1968 reserve
KS-207 (ex-K-207) PLARB SSBN 677A Yankee Northern 1968
KS-32 (ex-K-32) PLARB SSBN 667A Yankee Northern 1968
KS-210 (ex-K-210) PLARB SSBN 677A Yankee Northern 1969
KS-249 (ex-K-249) PLARB SSBN 677A Yankee Northern 1969
K-418 PLARB SSBN 677A Yankee Northern 1970
K-426 PLARB SSBN 677A Yankee Northern 1970
K-434 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Pacific 1970
KS-411 (ex-K-411) PLARB SSBN 09774 Yankee Northern 1970
K-245 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Northern 1971 19 Sub Div
K-252 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Pacific 1971
K-389 PLARB SSBN 677A Yankee Pacific 1971
KS-214 (ex-K-214) PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Northern 1971 31 Sub Div
K-228 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Northern 1972 31 Sub Div
K-241 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Northern 1972 31 Sub Div
K-258 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Pacific 1972
K-444 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Northern 1972 31 Sub Div
K-446 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Pacific 1972
60 Let VLKSM (ex-K-451) PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Pacific 1973
K-436 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Pacific 1973
K-430 PLARB SSBN 677AU Yankee Pacific 1975

K-140 PLARB SSBN 667AM Yankee II Northern 1967

K-156 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1963 reserve
K-70 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Pacific 1964 reserve
K-85 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1964
K-24 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1965
K-68 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1965
K-77 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1965
K-81 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Black 1965 reserve
K-58 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Black 1966 reserve
K-63 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Pacific 1966 reserve
K-73 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Pacific 1966 reserve
B-478 (ex-K-78) PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1967
K-203 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1967
K-67 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Black 1967 reserve
K-120 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Pacific 1968 reserve
K-304 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Baltic 1968
K-318 PLRK SSG 651 Juliett Black 1968 reserve

S-128 PLRK SSG 633KS Romeo Black 1960 reserve
BS-69 PLRK SSG P611 Zulu Pacific 1955 reserve

K-121 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1969
K-212 (ex-K-87) PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1969
K-25 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1969
K-308 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1970
K-313 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1970 reserve
K-303 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1971
K-320 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1971
K-325 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1971
K-201 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1972
K-429 PLARK SSGN 670A Charlie I Pacific 1972 reserve

K-452 PLARK SSGN 670M Charlie II Northern 1973
K-458 PLARK SSGN 670M Charlie II Northern 1975
K-479 PLARK SSGN 670M Charlie II Northern 1977
K-503 PLARK SSGN 670M Charlie II Northern 1978
K-508 PLARK SSGN 670M Charlie II Northern 1979
K-209 PLARK SSGN 670M Charlie II Northern 1980

K-104 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1963 reserve
K-166 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1963 reserve
K-1 PLARK SSGN 675MK Echo II Northern 1964 reserve
K-172 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1964 reserve
K-22 PLARK SSGN 675MK Echo II Baltic 1964 reserve
K-428 (ex-K-28) PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1964 reserve
K-47 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1964 reserve
K-74 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1964 reserve
K-125 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1965 reserve
K-35 PLARK SSGN 675MK Echo II Northern 1965 reserve
K-90 (ex-K-111) PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1965 reserve
K-128 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1966 reserve
K-131 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1966 reserve
K-235 (ex-K-135 ) PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Northern 1966 reserve
K-10 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve
K-108 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve
K-116 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve
K-127 (ex-K-7) PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve
K-134 (ex-K-34) PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve
K-175 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve
K-184 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve
K-192 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve
K-23 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve
K-431 (ex-K-31) PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve
K-48 PLARK SSGN 675K Echo II Pacific reserve
K-557 (ex-K-57) PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve
K-56 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve
K-94 PLARK SSGN 675 Echo II Pacific reserve

K-5 PLARK SSGN 627A November Northern 1960 reserve

K-525 PLARK SSGN 949 Oscar I Northern 1980
Minsk Komsomolets (ex-K-206) PLARK SSGN 949 Oscar I Northern 1983

K-148 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Northern 1986 11th Sub Div
K-173 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Pacific 1986 10th Sub Div
K-132 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Pacific 1988 10th Sub Div
K-119 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Northern 1989 11th Sub Div
K-410 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Northern 1990 11th Sub Div
K-442 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Pacific 1990 10th Sub Div
K-456 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Pacific 1991 10th Sub Div
K-186 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Pacific 1992 10th Sub Div
K-266 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Northern 1992 11th Sub Div
K-141 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Northern 1993
K-150 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Pacific 1994
K-329 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Northern 1995
K-135 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Northern 1996
K-160 PLARK SSGN 949A Oscar II Pacific 1996

K-222 (ex-K-162) PLARK SSGN 661 Papa Northern 1969

KS-216 (ex-K-216) PLARK SSGN 677AT Yankee Notch Northern 1968 SSGN
K-253 PLARK SSGN 677AT Yankee Notch Northern 1969 SSGN
K-395 PLARK SSGN 677AT Yankee Notch Northern 1969 SSGN
K-399 PLARK SSGN 677AT Yankee Notch Pacific 1969 SSGN
K-408 PLARK SSGN 677AT Yankee Notch Pacific 1969 SSGN
K-236 PLARK SSGN 677AT Yankee Notch Pacific 1970 SSGN
K-423 PLARK SSGN 677AT Yankee Notch Northern 1970 SSGN
K-420 PLARK SSGN 677M Yankee Sidecar Northern 1970 SSGN
KS-415 (ex-K-415) PLARK SSGN 09780 Yankee Stretch Pacific 1970
K-403 PLARK SSGN 09780 Yankee Stretch Northern 1971

K-284 PLA SSN 971 Akula I Pacific 1985
K-263 PLA SSN 971 Akula I Pacific 1986
K-322 PLA SSN 971 Akula I Pacific 1987
K-391 PLA SSN 971 Akula I Pacific 1988
K-480 PLA SSN 971 Akula I Northern 1988
K-317 PLA SSN 971 Akula I Northern 1989
K-331 PLA SSN 971 Akula I Pacific 1989

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K-419 PLA SSN 971U Improved Akula I Pacific 1990
K-461 PLA SSN 971U Improved Akula I Northern 1990
K-267 PLA SSN 971U Improved Akula I Pacific 1991
K-328 PLA SSN 971U Improved Akula I Northern 1991
K-154 PLA SSN 971U Improved Akula I Northern 1992
K-295 PLA SSN 971U Improved Akula I Pacific 1992
K-157 PLA SSN 971U Improved Akula I Northern 1993

K-152 PLA SSN 971A Akula II Pacific 1993
K-319 PLA SSN 971A Akula II Pacific 1994
K-335 PLA SSN 971A Akula II Northern 1994
K-158 PLA SSN 971A Akula II ? 1995
K-280 PLA SSN 971A Akula II Pacific 1995
K-337 PLA SSN 971A Akula II Northern 1995
K-326 PLA SSN 971A Akula II ? 1996
K-453 PLA SSN 971A Akula II Northern 1996

K-531 (ex-K-123) PLA SSN 705 Alfa Northern 1977 new reactor
K-373 PLA SSN 705 Alfa Northern 1978
K-316 PLA SSN 705 Alfa Northern 1979
K-432 PLA SSN 705 Alfa Northern 1982
K-463 PLA SSN 705 Alfa Northern 1982
K-493 PLA SSN 705 Alfa Northern 1983

K-239 PLA SSN 945 Sierra I Northern 1984
K-276 PLA SSN 945 Sierra I Northern 1987

K-534 PLA SSN 945A Sierra II ? 1990
K-336 PLA SSN 945A Sierra II Northern 1992
K-123 PLA SSN 945A Sierra II ? 1994

K-17 PLA SSN 945B Sierra III ? 1996
K-231 PLA SSN 945B Sierra III ? 1997

K-38 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Pacific 1967
K-147 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1968
K-69 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1968
K-306 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1969
K-53 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Pacific 1969
50 Let SSSR (ex-K-323) PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1970
K-370 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1970
K-367 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Pacific 1971
K-438 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1971
K-314 PLA SSN 671V Victor I Northern 1972
K-398 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1972
K-454 PLA SSN 671V Victor I Pacific 1973
K-462 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1974
K-469 PLA SSN 671V Victor I Northern 1974
K-481 PLA SSN 671 Victor I Northern 1974

K-387 PLA SSN 671RT Victor II Northern 1972
K-371 PLA SSN 671RT Victor II Northern 1974
K-476 PLA SSN 671RT Victor II Northern 1975
K-488 PLA SSN 671RT Victor II Northern 1976
K-495 PLA SSN 671RT Victor II Northern 1976
K-513 PLA SSN 671RT Victor II Northern 1977
K-517 PLA SSN 671RT Victor II Northern 1978

K-138 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1978
K-218 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1978
50 Let Komsomolsk-na-Amur (ex-K-242) PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Pacific 1979
K-244 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Pacific 1979
K-247 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1980
K-251 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Pacific 1980
K-254 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1980
K-264 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Pacific 1981
K-292 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1981
K-298 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1982
K-299 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1982
K-305 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Pacific 1982
K-255 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1983
K-324 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1983
K-355 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Pacific 1983
Murmansky Komsomolets (ex-K-358) PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1983
K-360 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Pacific 1984
K-388 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1984
K-412 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1985
K-414 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1985
K-448 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1986
K-492 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1987
K-502 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1989
K-507 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1990
60 Let Shefstva VLKSM (ex-K-524) PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1991
K-448 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III Northern 1992
K-6 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III ? 1992
K-293 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III ? 1993
K-61 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III ? 1994
K-130 PLA SSN 671RTM Victor III ? 1995

Severodvinsk PLA SSN 885 Yasen Northern 1995
K-177 PLA SSN 885 Yasen Northern 1996
K-183 PLA SSN 885 Yasen ? construction never completed

K-45 PLA SSN 659 Echo I Pacific 1960 reserve
K-59 PLA SSN 659 Echo I Pacific 1961 reserve
K-66 PLA SSN 659 Echo I Pacific 1961 reserve
K-122 PLA SSN 659 Echo I Pacific 1962 reserve
K-259 PLA SSN 659 Echo I Pacific 1962 reserve

K-170 (ex-K-86, KS-86) ? SSN Echo II Northern 1963 diver tranport converted

K-54 (ex-K-33) PLA SSN 658T Hotel II Northern 1960 reserve 18 Sub Div
K-16 PLA SSN 658T Hotel II Northern 1961 reserve 18 Sub Div
K-40 PLA SSN 658T Hotel II Northern 1961 reserve 18 Sub Div
Ukraine Komsomolets (ex-K-149) PLA SSN 658T Hotel II Northern 1962 training 18 Sub Div

Leninsky Komsomol (ex-K-3) PLA SSN 627 November Northern 1958 reserve
K-14 PLA SSN 627 November Pacific 1959 reserve
K-115 PLA SSN 627 November Pacific 1960 reserve
K-11 PLA SSN 627 November Northern 1961 reserve
K-21 PLA SSN 627 November Northern 1961 reserve
K-133 PLA SSN 627 November Pacific 1962 reserve
K-181 PLA SSN 627 November Northern 1962 reserve
K-159 PLA SSN 627 November Northern 1963 reserve
K-52 PLA SSN 627 November Northern 1963 reserve
K-60 PLA SSN 627 November Northern 1963 reserve
Rostovsky Komsomolets (ex-K-42) PLA SSN 627 November Pacific 1963 reserve

B-94 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Northern 1958 reserve
B-135 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1959 reserve
B-36 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1959 reserve
B-833 (ex-B-133) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1959 reserve
B-95 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Northern 1959 reserve
B-130 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Baltic 1960 reserve
B-143 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Pacific 1960 reserve
B-326 (ex-B-116) PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1960 reserve
B-57 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1960 reserve
B-839 (ex-B-139) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1960 reserve
B-85 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1960 reserve
B-164 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1961 reserve
B-33 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Pacific 1961 reserve
B-4 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Northern 1961 reserve
B-59 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1961 275 Sub Bde
B-7 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1961 reserve
B-854 (ex-B-153) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1961 reserve
B-856 (ex-B-156) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1961 reserve
B-105 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1962 reserve
B-169 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1962 reserve
B-50 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1962 reserve
B-8 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1962 reserve
B-838 (ex-B-38) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1962 reserve
B-853 (ex-B-53) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1962 reserve
B-2 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1963
B-31 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1963 reserve
B-55 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Pacific 1963
B-101 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1964
B-103 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1964
B-15 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Pacific 1964
B-6 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1964
B-109 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1965
B-112 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Pacific 1965
B-807 (ex-B-107) PL SS 641 Foxtrot Baltic 1965
B-821( ex-B-21, ex-Bryansk Komsomolets) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1965
B-825 (ex-B-25) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1965
B-9 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1965
B-28 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1966
B-34 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1966
B-41 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1966
B-826 (ex-B-26, ex-Yaroslavl Komsomolets) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1966
B-840 (ex-B-40) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1966
B-397 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1967
B-46 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1967
B-475 (ex-B-39) PL SS 641 Foxtrot Pacific 1967
Vladimirsky Komsomolets (ex-B-49) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1967
B-413 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Baltic 1968
Ulyanov Komsomolets (ex-B-400) PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1968
B-205 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1969
B-416 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1969
B-213 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1970
B-435 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Black 1970 155 Sub Bde
B-440 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Baltic 1970 25 Sub Bde
B-409 PL SS 641 Foxtrot ? 1971
B-427 PL SS 641 Foxtrot Pacific 1971

B-83 (ex-K-83, ex-B-42) ? SS 629R Golf SSQ Pacific 1959 29th Sub Div?
BS-107 (ex-B-125, K-107, ex-B-107) ? SS 629R Golf SSQ Pacific 1960 reserve
BS-167 (ex-K-61, ex-B-167) ? SS 629R Golf SSQ Pacific 1960 29th Sub Div?

B-404 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo Pacific 1986
B-486 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo Pacific 1994
B-597 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo ? 1994
B-188 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo Pacific 1995
B-804 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo ? 1995
B-860 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo ? 1995
B-888 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo ? 1996
B-898 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo Pacific 1996
B-477 PL SS 636 Improved Kilo ? 1997

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B-260 PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1981
B-248 PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1982
B-227 PL SS 877 Kilo Baltic 1983
B-229 PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1983
B-401 PL SS 877 Kilo Northern 1984
B-402 PL SS 877 Kilo Northern 1984
Tyumen Komsomolets (ex-B-405) PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1984
B-470 PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1985
B-439 PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1986
B-806 PL SS 877EKM Kilo ? 1986 training foreign crews
B-445 PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1988
B-808 PL SS 877E Kilo ? 1988
Komsomolets Tadzhikistan (ex-B-394) PL SS 877 Kilo Pacific 1988
Vologodskiy Komsomolets (ex-B-800) PL SS 877 Kilo Northern 1989
B-459 PL SS 877M Kilo Northern 1990
B-464 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1990
B-471 PL SS 877M Kilo Northern 1990
B-494 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1990
B-871 PL SS 877V Kilo ? 1990
B-177 PL SS 877M Kilo Black 1991
B-187 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1991
B-220 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1992
B-340 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1992
B-466 PL SS 877M Kilo ? 1992
B-175 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1993
B-190 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1993
B-224 PL SS 877M Kilo ? 1993
B-185 PL SS 877M Kilo Pacific 1994
B-345 PL SS 877M Kilo Northern 1994

UTS-350 (ex-S-350) PL SS 633 Romeo Black 1959 training
S-37 PL SS 633L Romeo Black 1960 155 Sub Bde
SS-11 PL SS 633RV Romeo Black 1961 475 Sub Div
UTS-247 (ex-S-247, ex-S-47) PL SS 633RV Romeo Black 1961 475 Sub Div

B-443 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1973
B-474 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1974
B-498 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1975
Magnitogorsk Komsomolets (ex-B-437) PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1975
B-515 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1976
B-519 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1976
B-290 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1977
B-303 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1977
B-146 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1978
B-546 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1978
B-215 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1979
B-30 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1979
B-307 PL SS 641B Tango Baltic 1980
Novosibirsk Komsomolets (ex-B-396) PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1980
B-225 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1981
B-319 PL SS 641B Tango Northern 1981
B-312 PL SS 641B Tango Baltic 1982
Gorkiy Komsomolets (ex-B-380) PL SS 641B Tango Black 1982

RZS-117 (ex-S-64) PL SS 644 Whiskey ? 1952 reserve
S-43 PL SS 613S Whiskey ? 1952 reserve
S-65 PL SS 613RV Whiskey ? 1952 reserve
UTS-579 (ex-SS-63, ex-S-63) ? SS 666 Whiskey ? 1952 reserve test rescue boat
Komsomolets Kazakhstan (ex-S-156) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1953 reserve
RZS-457 (ex-PZS-57, S-140) PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve
S-141 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve
S-145 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve
S-146 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1953 reserve
S-154 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve
S-66 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve
S-67 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve
S-70 PL SS 613V Whiskey Black 1953 reserve
S-72 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve
S-74 PL SS 613V Whiskey Black 1953 reserve
S-76 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve
SS-552 (ex-S-147) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1953 reserve
Ulyanov Komsomolets (ex-S-143) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1953 reserve
UTS-161 (ex-S-148) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1953 reserve
UTS-577 (ex-S-150) PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1953 reserve
S-100 PL SS 613 Whiskey Black 1954 reserve
S-160 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve
S-161 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve
S-168 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve
S-172 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve
S-176 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve
S-181 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve
S-185 PL SS 613V Whiskey Black 1954 reserve
S-86 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve
S-88 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve
S-96 PL SS 613 Whiskey Black 1954 reserve
UTS-410 (ex-S-331) PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1954 reserve
Komsomolets Tadzhikistan (ex-S-221) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1955 reserve
Pskov Komsomolets (ex-S-191) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1955 reserve
RES-63 (ex-S-282) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1955 reserve
S-194 PL SS 613V Whiskey Baltic 1955 reserve
S-195 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1955 reserve
S-197 PL SS 613V Whiskey Black 1955 reserve
S-222 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1955 reserve
S-224 PL SS 613V Whiskey Pacific 1955 reserve
S-266 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1955 reserve
S-273 PL SS 613E Whiskey ? 1955 reserve
S-287 PL SS 613 Whiskey Black 1955 reserve
UTS-430 (ex-S-333) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1955 reserve
Vladimir Komsomolets (ex-S-283) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1955 reserve
Bryansk Komsomolets (ex-S-330) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1956 reserve
PZS-545 (ex-S-336) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1956 reserve
S-294 PL SS 613V Whiskey ? 1956 reserve
S-296 PL SS 613 Whiskey Black 1956 reserve
S-359 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1956 reserve
S-376 PL SS 613 Whiskey Black 1956 reserve
S-390 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1956 reserve
Ulyanov Komsomolets (ex-S-295) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1956 reserve
UTS-320 (ex-S-337) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1956 reserve
S-362 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve
S-363 PL SS 613 Whiskey Baltic 1957 reserve ran aground in Sweden 1981
S-364 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve
S-375 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve
S-377 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve
S-378 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve
S-379 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve
S-381 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve
S-382 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve
S-383 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve
S-384 PL SS 613Q Whiskey Black 1957 reserve
S-392 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve
S-393 PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1957 reserve
PZS-86 (ex-RZS-923, ex-S-365) PL SS 613 Whiskey ? 1958 reserve
S-62 PL SS 640 Whiskey Canvas Bag ? 1952 reserve
PZS-63 (ex-S-151, SS-151, RZS-390) PL SS 640 Whiskey Canvas Bag ? 1953 reserve
S-73 PL SS 640 Whiskey Canvas Bag ? 1953 reserve
SS-149 (ex-S-149) PL SS 640 Whiskey Canvas Bag Black 1953 reserve

B-75 PL SS 611 Zulu ? 1956 reserve
RZS-248 (ex-B-76) PL SS 611 Zulu ? 1956 reserve
RZS-253 (ex-B-88) PL SS 611 Zulu Pacific 1956 reserve
UTS-226 (ex-B-877) PL SS 611 Zulu ? 1956 reserve
B-80 PL SS 611 Zulu Northern 1957 reserve
B-881 (ex-B-81) PL SS 611 Zulu ? 1957 reserve
BS-82 PL SS 611 Zulu Northern 1957 reserve
UTS-423 (ex-B-90) PL SS 611 Zulu ? 1957 reserve
B-891 PL SS 611 Zulu ? 1958 reserve

B-372 (ex-B-40, ex-K-72) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Baltic 1959 16th Sub Div
B-79 (ex-K-79, ex-B-41) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Baltic 1959 16th Sub Div
B-96 (ex-B-92, ex-K-96) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Baltic 1959 16th Sub Div
K-126 (ex-B-93) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Pacific 1959 reserve 29th Sub Div?
B-183 (ex-B-45) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Baltic 1960 16th Sub Div
K-136 (ex-B-109) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Pacific 1960 reserve 29th Sub Div?
B-93 (ex-B-61, ex-K-93) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Baltic 1961 16th Sub Div
K-139 (ex-B-113) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Pacific 1961 reserve 29th Sub Div?
K-575 (ex-K-175, ex-B-575) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Pacific 1961 reserve 29th Sub Div?
B-142 (ex-K-142) PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Baltic 1962 16th Sub Div
K-163 PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Pacific 1962 reserve 29th Sub Div?
K-99 PLRB SSB 629A Golf II Pacific 1962 reserve 29th Sub Div?

RZS-439 (ex-K-118, ex-B-118, ex-B-149) PLRB SSB 601 Golf III Northern 1960 reserve
BS-153 (ex-B-153, ex-K-153) PLRB SSB 619 Golf V Black 1961 155 Sub Bde

BS-78 (ex-B-78, ex-Murmansk Komsomolets) PLRB SSB AV611D Zulu V Black 1957 minelayer
UTS-352 (ex-B-89, ex-BS-93) PLRB SSB AV611E Zulu V Pacific 1957

SS-533 ? AGSS 01710 Beluga Black 1987 155 Sub Bde
SS-368 (ex-S-368) ? AGSS 690 Bravo Pacific 1967
SS-226 (ex-S-226) ? AGSS 690 Bravo Black 1968 475 Sub Bn
SS-256 (ex-S-256) ? AGSS 690 Bravo Northern 1968 9th Sub Sqn
AA-310 (ex-S-310) ? AGSS 690 Bravo Baltic 1970
Komsomolets Uzbekistan (ex-BS-486) ? AGSS 940 India Pacific 1976
BS-257 ? AGSS 940 India Northern 1979
BS-555 ? AGSS 1840 Lima Black 1979 155 Sub Bde
MS-520 ? AGSS 865 Losos Baltic 1988 22 Sub Bde
MS-521 ? AGSS 865 Losos Baltic 1990
MS-522 ? AGSS 865 Losos Pacific 1992
MS-523 ? AGSS 865 Losos Black 1994
AS-13 ? AGSS 1910 Uniform Northern 1986
AS-16 ? AGSS 1910 Uniform Northern 1989
AS-15 ? AGSS 1910 Uniform Northern 1991
AS-19 ? AGSS 1910 Uniform Northern 1995
AS-23 ? AGSS 1851 X-ray Northern 1986
AS-21 ? AGSS 1851 X-ray Northern 1991
AS-35 ? AGSS 1851 X-ray Northern 1995
UTS-352 (ex-B-89) ? AGSS AV611E Zulu Pacific 1957 reserve
KS-129 (ex-K-129) ? SSN 09786 Delta III Northern 1981

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Soviet submarine project notes:

Project 01710 (NATO: Beluga)
Project 09774 (NATO: Yankee-Stretch)
Project 09774: midget submarine carrier
Project 09780 (NATO: Yankee-Pod)
Project 09780: radio equipment and a towed hydroacoustic station, no missile compartment
Project 09786: midget submarine carrier
Project 1840 (NATO: Lima)
Project 18401: modernized to support rescue operations, as well as raising military equipment from underwater, with the help of divers
Project 1851 (NATO: X-ray)
Project 1851: small nuclear powered submarine, intended for deep water works with the use of divers. All served in the Northern Fleet.
Project 1910 (NATO: Uniform)
Project 1910: small nuclear powered submarine. Mainly used for research, but could also carry special forces (divers). All served in the Northern Fleet.
Project 601 (NATO: Golf III)
Project 601: equipped with 6 R-29 missiles [SS-N-8]
Project 605 (NATO: Golf IV)
Project 605: equipped with 4 R-27K missiles [SS-N-13]
Project 611 (NATO: Zulu)
Project 613 (NATO: Whiskey)
Project 613E: testing new power plant independent from atmospheric air
Project 613Q: modified to launch torpedoes at up to 70m depth
Project 613RV: test boat for the RPK-2 Vyuga [SS-N-15]
Project 613S: testing various rescue equipment, incl. new rescue camera
Project 613V: endurance increased to 45 days
Project 619 (NATO: Golf V)
Project 619: equipped with 1 R-39 missile [SS-N-20]
Project 627 Kit/November Class
Project 629 (NATO: Golf I)
Project 629A (NATO: Golf II)
Project 629A: equipped with 3 R-21 missiles [SS-N-5]
Project 629B (NATO: Golf II)
Project 629B: equipped with 2 R-21 missiles [Specially designed for missile tests]
Project 629N: experimental minelayer
Project 629R (NATO: Golf SSQ)
Project 629R: communication command post
Project 633 (NATO: Romeo)
Project 633KS: test submarine, equipped with 3M10 Granat cruise missiles [SS-N-21]
Project 633L: research submarine to test water friction againt the hull
Project 633RV: test submarines, equipped with RPK-6 Vodopad [SS-N-15] and RPK-7 Veter [SS-N-16]
Project 636 (NATO: Improved Kilo)
Project 636: modernized Project 877
Project 636M: equipped with 6 ZM-54E Klab anti-ship cruise missiles [SS-N-27]
Project 640: long range radar [Whiskey Canvas Bag]
Project 641 (NATO: Foxtrot)
Project 641B (NATO: Tango)
Project 644: equipped with 2 P-5 cruise missiles [Whiskey Twin Cylinder]
Project 651 / Juliett
Project 658 (NATO: Hotel I)
Project 658M (NATO: Hotel II)
Project 658M: equipped with 3 R-21 missiles [SS-N-5].
Project 658T: missiles removed, attack submarines
Project 658U: communication relay submarines & command posts
Project 659, NATO code "Echo I"
Project 661 (NATO: Papa)
Project 666: experimental submarine rescue boat
Project 667A (NATO: Yankee)
Project 667AK (NATO: Yankee-Pod)
Project 667AK: communication submarine, test of acoustic and non-acoustic radio-electronic armament
Project 667AM (NATO: Yankee II)
Project 667AM: equipped with 12 R-31 missiles [SS-N-17].
Project 667AT (NATO: Yankee-Notch)
Project 667AT: missile tubes removed, attack submarines, equipped with RK-55 cruise missiles [SS-N-21] and torpedoes
Project 667AU (NATO: Yankee)
Project 667AU: equipped with 16 R-27U missiles [SS-N-6 mod. 2/3].
Project 667B (NATO: Delta I)
Project 667BD (NATO: Delta II)
Project 667BDR (NATO: Delta III)
Project 667BDRM (NATO: Delta IV)
Project 667M (NATO: Yankee-Sidecar)
Project 667M: equipped with 12 Meteorit-M cruise missiles [SS-NX-24]
Project 670A("Skat" type), NATO code "Charlie I"
Project 670M("Skat-M" type), NATO code "Charlie II"
Project 671 Victor class
Project 671,671V,671K ("Yersy" type), NATO code "Victor I"
Project 671RT("Semga" type), NATO code "Victor II"
Project 671RTM ("Schuka" type), NATO code "Victor III"
Project 675, NATO code "Echo II"
Project 690 (NATO: Bravo)
Project 701 (NATO: Hotel III)
Project 701: equipped with 6 R-29 missiles [SS-N-8]
Project 705 Lira/NATO: Alfa
Project 865 (NATO: Losos)
Project 877 (NATO: Kilo)
Project 877EKM: export model for tropical waters
Project 877LPMB: new screw and escape hatch, additional acoustic equipment
Project 877M: modernized version, 8 built to this standard
Project 877V: experimental water jet, instead of standard screw
Project 885 Yasen / Graney
Project 940 (NATO: India)
Project 941 (NATO: Typhoon)
Project 941U: originally to have been equipped with 20 R-39M missiles [SS-N-28], but will now receive the 3M14 Bulava missile [SS-N-30] instead.
Project 945 ("Barrakuda" type), NATO code "Sierra I"
Project 945 Sierra class
Project 945A ("Kondor" type), NATO code "Sierra II"
Project 945B ("Mars" type), NATO code "Sierra III?"
Project 949 (NATO: Oscar I)
Project 949A (NATO: Oscar II)
Project 971 Shuka-B (Akula)
Project 971 Shuka-B Bars-class
Project 971A / 971M Shuka-B (Akula II)
Project 971U Shuka-B (NATO code "improved Akula I")
Project AV611 (NATO: Zulu V)
Project AV611: equipped with two R-11FM missiles [SS-1b]
Project AV611D: experimental minelayer
Project AV611E: for hydroacoustic studies and sonar tests
Project P611: equipped with one P-10 cruise missile

Enjoy!

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Thanks, Chico! BTW K-141 was the Kursk.


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Chico: any Soviet Naval Aviation info going to be added? Don't ask me why, but for some reason they had AF ranks, not naval ones.


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This is what I got off of orbat.com last year. I'll bounce it against my other info at home this weekend. I undid the transfer of Frontal Aviation units to naval aviation that was done after the CFE treaty went into effect (the Soviets believed that naval forces were exempt and transferred strike aviation units and Motor Rifle Divisions to the Navy and claimed they were coastal defense). Additional regiments would be stood up to operate aircraft on the new carriers too.


VMF, HQ Moscow

Direct reporting:

33rd Center for Combat Employment and Retraining of Naval Aviation Crews im. E.N. Preobrazhenskiy [33rd TsBP i PLS] (Kulbakino, near Nikolayevym) with:
- 540th IIMRAP (Kulbakino, near Nikolayevym) with 18 Tu-22M and 21 Tu-16
- 555th IIPLVP (Ochakov) with Ka-25 and Ka-27
- 316th OPLAE (Kulbakino, near Nikolayevym) with Be-12

An IIAP was activated in Saki 1989, to test various aircraft for the new "Kuznetsov" carrier.


Northern Fleet (SF):

5th "Kirkenesskaya" Rad Banner MRAD (Olenegorsk, Murmansk oblast)
- 574th MRAP (Katunino [Lakhta], Arkhangelsk area) with 25 Tu-22M
- 924th Guards "Kirkenesskaya" Red Banner MRAP (Olenegorsk, Murmansk oblast) with 32 Tu-22M and 5 Tu-16K-10-26
- 978th MRAP (Severomorsk-3) with 29 Tu-16K-10-26

35th PLAD (Fedotov, Vologodskaya oblast)
- 76th PLAP DD (Fedotov, Vologodskaya oblast) with Tu-142M, Tu-142M3
- 135th PLAP DD (Fedotov, Vologodskaya oblast) with Tu-142M, Tu-142M3

24th OPLAP (Severomorsk-1) with Il-38
392nd ODRAP (Kipelovo, Vologda area) with Tu-95RQ
403rd OPLAP (Severomorsk-2 (Safonovo)) with Be-12
830th OKPLVP (Severomorsk-2 (Safonovo)) with Ka-25/27 (in 4 sqns)
279th OMShAP (Severomorsk-3) with 9 Su-25UTG/UBP and Yak-38 (Carrier Air unit)
? OSAP (?) with transport aircraft



Baltic Fleet (BF):

57th "Smolensk" Red Banner MRAD (Bykhov, Mogilev area, Belorussian SSR)
- 12th MRAP (Ostrov) with Tu-16 [the two regiments at Ostrov had a total of 63 Tu-16]
- 171st Guards MRAP (Bykhov) with 18 Tu-22M, 10 Tu-16
- 240th Guards MRAP (Ostrov) with Tu-16

15th "Tallin" Red Banner Order of Ushakov ODRAP (Chernyakhovsk, Kaliningrad region) with 12 Su-24 and 32 Su-17
49th OPLAE (Kosa, Baltiysk area) with Be-12
145th OPLAE (Riga-Skulte) with Il-38
396th OKPLVP (Donskoye) with Ka-27
745th OKPLVP (Donskoye) with Mi-14, Ka-25
263rd OTAP (Khrabrovo) with transport aircraft



Black Sea Fleet (CHF)

2nd Guards "Sevastopol" MRAD im. N.A. Tokarev (Gvardeyskoye, Crimea)
- 5th Guards "Konstantskiy" MRAP (Veseloye, Crimea) with 22 Tu-22M, 16 Tu-16
- 124th MRAP (Gvardeyskoye, Crimea) with 19 Tu-16
- 943rd MRAP (Oktyabrskoye, Crimea) with 21 Tu-22M, 6 Tu-22R, 6 Tu-16K-10-26

318th OPLAP (Donuzlav, Crimea) with Be-12
917th OSAP (Kacha) with transport aircraft
872nd OPLVP (Kacha) with Mi-14, Mi-8
78th OKPLVP (Donuzlav, Crimea) with Ka-25/27


Pacific Fleet (TOF)

25 MRAD Alekseyevka, Khanka region, Primorskiy Kray
141 MRAP Tu-22M2 Artem
183 MRAP Tu-22M2 Alekseyevka

143 MRAD Sovetskaya Gavan
568 MRAP Tu-16K-10-26* Petrapavlosk
570 MRAP Tu-16K-10-26* Sovetskaya Gavan
* Badger C-mod

73rd OMShAP (Pristanya, Vladivostok area) with Su-17M2/3
304th OMRAP DD (Khorol, Primorskiy Kray) with Tu-94RQ
310th OMRAP DD (Mongokhto, Sovetskaya Gavan' area) with Tu-142/Tu-142M
77th OPLAP (Nikolayevka, south Primorskiy Kray) with Il-38
289th OPLAP (Zolotaya Dolina) with Be-12
317th OSAP (Petropavlovsk-Kamchatka) with Be-12
169th OSAP (Kamrani, Vietnam) with Tu-95RQ and MiG-23MLD (one sqn.)
311th OKShAP (Pristanya, Vladivostok area) with Yak-38
710th OKPLVP (Novonezhino) with Ka-25/27
46th OPLAE (Korsakov) with Mi-14, Mi-8
51st OPLAE (Novonezhino) with Mi-14, Mi-8
593rd OTAP (Nikolayevka) with transport aircraft

abbreviations:
MRAD: Naval Missile-carrying Aviation Division
MRAP: Naval Missile-carrying Aviation Regiment
OKPLVE: Independent Ship-borne Anti-submarine Helicopter Squadron
OKPLVP: Independent Ship-borne Anti-submarine Helicopter Regiment
OKShAP: Independent Ship-borne Shturmovik Aviation Regiment
OMRAP: Independent Naval Missile-carrying Aviation Regiment
OMShAE: Independent Naval Shturmovik Aviation Squadron
OMShAP: Independent Naval Shturmovik Aviation Regiment
OPLAP DD: Independent Long range Anti-submarine Aviation Regiment
OPLAE: Independent Anti-submarine Helicopter Squadron
OPLVP: Independent Anti-submarine Helicopter Regiment
OSAP: Independent Composite Aviation Regiment
OSPLAP: Independent Composite Anti-submarine Aviation Regiment
OTAP: Independent Transport Aviation Regiment


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I take it that's a 1989 OB, then. The carrier regiment has Su-33s (navalized Su-27s) and Ka-27 variants nowadays. The MiG-29K was still a likely choice for the fighter/attack role, with the Su-33s being the fleet defense interceptor. The Kiev-class carriers would've had the Yak-41 as a Yak-38 replacement. The Yak-44 was under development for AEW off the big ships.
(It was a E-2 clone)


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I just finished reading the published War Games done by the Naval College which was posted here a couple weeks ago. For you guys doing the naval timeline and events have you read it? I recommend it. While I am not casting doubt on the members here, the War Games had resources to create a timeline of events we don't have... a staff of 600 people from many different agencies, up to date OOBs, politicians playing the role of politicians, Soviets played by intelligence people whose focus is the USSR, information concerning munitions stockpiles, and a battle damage assesment computer.
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Can you put that link up?


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They're at:

http://www.nwc.navy.mil/press/npapers/np4/np4.pdf about the 1979-83 series and http://www.nwc.navy.mil/press/npapers/np20/NP20.pdf for the 1984-8 series.

I'm right about to start a long document on NATO maritime strategy and possible Soviet response to it. They rely to a great extent on those 2 documents. The reason for not adopting the wargames wholesale are the later date (allowing Soviet deployment of fixed-wing CVs, for example) and the difference in the situation on the Central front and the China front.

I'm also doing a little more research on Soviet weapons systems, things that the West wasn't aware of such as the Shval 200-knot torpedo. (This relates to the basic issue of how come canon NATO naval losses are so high.)


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Naval Forces : Sweden-97

Due to the war only one Gotland class submarine was ready to deliver and had trained staff when the Uppsala Conflict started. Instead of getting rid of one older type Näcken submarine Swedish Armed Forces didn't sell the Näcken system to any one else or scraped it.

1st Submarine Flotilla
1 GOTLAND Class Submarines, 4 VÄSTERGÖTLAND class
2nd Surface Flotilla
20th Missileboat Division, 4 type NORRKÖPING class
21st Missileboat Division, 2 type STOCKHOLM class
23th Small ASW-boat Division, 4 type KAPAREN class
Staff/Supportship HMS Visborg
3rd Surface Flotilla
18th Missileboat Division, 4 type HUGIN class
31st Missileboat Division, 4 type GÖTEBORG class
34th Missileboat Division, 6 type NORRKÖPING class
36th Small ASW-boat Division, 6 type KAPAREN class
Staff/Supportship HMS Trossö
4th MCM Flotilla
41st MCM Division
411st MCM Squadron
412nd MCM Squadron
416th Boyeboat Squadron
Staff/Supportships HMS Utö, HMS Urd
42nd MCM Division
421st MCM Squadron
422nd MCM Squadron
426th Boyeboat Squadron
Staff/Supportships HMS Gålö, HMS Carlskrona
5th Submarine Flottilla 3 type NÄCKEN class
Helicopter Wing
1st Helo Div 6 type Hkp 4C, 4 type Hkp 6
3rd Helo Div 6 type Hkp 4C, 4 type Hkp 6
2nd Helo Sqd 2 type Hkp 4C, 2 type Hkp 6



Naval Forces : Sweden-99
1. Submarine group 3x Västergötland, 2x Gotland
2. Surface Attack Flottilla
20th Missileboat Division, 1 type NORRKÖPING class, 1 type STOCKHOLM class
23th Small ASW-boat Division, 2 type KAPAREN class
3. Surface Attack Flottilla
31st Missileboat Division, 2 type GÖTEBORG class
34th Missileboat Division, 2 type NORRKÖPING class, 2 type HUGIN class
36th Small ASW-boat Division, 2 type KAPAREN class
4th MCM Flotilla
41st MCM Division
411st MCM Squadron
416th Boyeboat Squadron
Staff/Supportships HMS Utö
42nd MCM Division
422nd MCM Squadron
426th Boyeboat Squadron
Staff/Supportships HMS Carlskrona
Helo Wing
1st Helo Div 4 type Hkp 4C, 3 type Hkp 6
3rd Helo Div 4 type Hkp 4C, 4 type Hkp 6
2nd Helo Sqd 2 type Hkp 6

Taken from my webpages. I gonna dig deap into my files to give you the name of the vessels from Sweden-97.

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Antenna-

Do you have a timeline of the Soviet-Swedish conflict?

For the battles in the Norwegian Sea it is important whether the Soviet bombers can overfly Sweden and how viable is Spetsnaz infiltration through Sweden to attack Narvik etc from the land side (not easy I know... I've walked through Padjelanta and Sarek!).

If Sweden is held neutral like Finland is until later in the war then that complicates things for the USSR.

Thanks (and thanks for the Swedish fleet list)!
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I tell you what walking thru Northern Sweden to attack Narvik would be suicide for any spetznas. I would put the 'nazers in a U-boat and land them near narvik instead.

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Originally posted by Chico
>>I'm also doing a little more research on Soviet weapons systems, things that the West wasn't aware of such as the Shval 200-knot torpedo. (This relates to the basic issue of how come canon NATO naval losses are so high.)<<

Great thought Chico, but I think that even if the Soviets were developing such weapons, the CIA, MI5/MI6 or other Western intelligence agencies would either try to get an agent inside or find one of the disgruntled scientist working on the project to help us.


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I've been a little deficient in posting naval fleet lists, so here comes one:

Soviet Amphibious Warfare Fleet, Twilight War, 1 OCT 1996

Name/Hull No. Name Soviet Type NATO Type Soviet Project NATO Class Fleet Yr Completed Notes

Project 1174
Ivan Rogov Ivan Rogov BDK LPD 1174 Ivan Rogov Pacific 1978
Aleksandr Nikolayev Ivan Rogov BDK LPD 1174 Ivan Rogov Pacific 1982
Mitrofan Moskalenko Ivan Rogov BDK LPD 1174 Ivan Rogov Northern 1990



Project 775 (NATO: Ropucha)
BDK-151 Nikolay Koraskov BDK LST 775 Ropucha Northern 1984 121st Landing Bde
BDK-100 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Black 1980 197th Landing Bde
BDK-101 Zemlyansk BDK LST 775 Ropucha Pacific 1980 100th Landing Bde
BDK-105 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Baltic 1983 71st Landing Bde
BDK-14 BDK LST 775M Ropucha II Pacific 1991 100th Landing Bde
BDK-121 Aleksandr Shabalin BDK LST 775 Ropucha Baltic 1983 71st Landing Bde
BDK-122 BDK LST 775M Ropucha II Baltic 1991 71st Landing Bde
BDK-14 Mukhtar Avezov BDK LST 775 Ropucha Pacific 1975 100th Landing Bde
BDK-182 Bobruisk BDK LST 775 Ropucha Northern 1983 121st Landing Bde
BDK-200 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Northern 1984 121st Landing Bde
BDK-32 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Northern 1975 121st Landing Bde
BDK-43 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Baltic 1976 71st Landing Bde
BDK-45 Grigori Pobedenosets BDK LST 775 Ropucha Northern 1976 121st Landing Bde
BDK-46 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Black 1976 197th Landing Bde
BDK-47 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Baltic 1977 71st Landing Bde
BDK-54 BDK LST 775M Ropucha II Black 1990 197th Landing Bde
BDK-55 Aleksandr Otrakovski BDK LST 775 Ropucha Northern 1977 121st Landing Bde
BDK-56 Konstantin Olshansky BDK LST 775 Ropucha Black 1985 197th Landing Bde
BDK-58 Kaliningrad BDK LST 775 Ropucha Baltic 1977 71st Landing Bde
BDK-60 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Baltic 1978 71st Landing Bde
BDK-63 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Pacific 1979 100th Landing Bde
BDK-64 Tsesar Kunikov BDK LST 775 Ropucha Black 1984 197th Landing Bde
BDK-67 Yamal BDK LST 775 Ropucha Black 1978 197th Landing Bde
BDK-91 Olegenorski Gornyak BDK LST 775 Ropucha Northern 1982 121st Landing Bde
BDK-98 BDK LST 775 Ropucha Pacific 1982 100th Landing Bde



Project 1171 (NATO: Alligator)
BDK-66 Sergei Lazo BDK LST 1171 Alligator Pacific 1968 Type II
Aleksandr Tortsev BDK LST 1171 Alligator Pacific 1968 Type III
Donetsky Shakhter BDK LST 1171 Alligator Baltic 1969 Type III
Nikolay Fil'chenkov BDK LST 1171 Alligator Black 1975 Type IV
Krasnaya Presnaya BDK LST 1171 Alligator Baltic 1974 Type III
BDK-69 Nikolay Obyekov BDK LST 1171 Alligator Black 1969 Type II
Nikolay Vilkov BDK LST 1171 Alligator Pacific 1974 Type IV
BDK-104 Il'ya Azarov BDK LST 1171 Alligator Black 1974 Type III
BDK-25 Tomskiy Komsomolets BDK LST 1171 Alligator Pacific 1967 Type I
BDK-6 Krymskiy Komsomolets BDK LST 1171 Alligator Black 1966 Type I
BDK-62 Komsomolets Karelyy BDK LST 1171 Alligator Baltic 1967 Type I
BDK-65 Voronezhskiy Komsomolets BDK LST 1171 Alligator Black 1966 Type I
BDK-77 Petr Ilichev BDK LST 1171 Alligator 1969 Type III
BDK-80 50 Let Sheftsva VLKSM BDK LST 1171 Alligator Pacific 1975 Type III



Project 770 Polnocny A
SDK-10 SDK LSM 770 Polnocny A Baltic
SDK-2 SDK LSM 770 Polnocny A Baltic
SDK-21 SDK LSM 770 Polnocny A Baltic
SDK-24 SDK LSM 770 Polnocny A Baltic
MDK-36 SDK LSM 770 Polnocny A Caspian
MDK-37 SDK LSM 770 Polnocny A Caspian
SDK-7 SDK LSM 770 Polnocny A Baltic



Project 771 Polnocny B
MDK-107 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Caspian 1970
MDK-69 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Caspian 1967
SDK-111 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Pacific 1968
SDK-112 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1969
SDK-119 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Baltic 1970
SDK-120 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1969
SDK-121 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1970
SDK-137 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Black 1971
SDK-156 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Baltic 1969
SDK-102 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Black 1971
SDK-171 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1969
SDK-172 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Pacific 1971
SDK-19 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1967
SDK-44 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1967
SDK-45 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1967
SDK-70 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1968
SDK-71 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1968
SDK-73 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Black 1970
SDK-74 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1968
SDK-79 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Baltic 1969
SDK-83 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Black 1969
SDK-84 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B 1968
SDK-96 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Black 1970
SDK-99 SDK LSM 771 Polnocny B Pacific 1970



Project 773 Polnocny C
SDK-154 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C Black 1971
SDK-135 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C Pacific 1972
SDK-164 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C Black 1974
SDK-20 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C 1972
SDK-22 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C 1972
SDK-61 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C 1973
SDK-72 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C 1973
SDK-82 SDK LSM 773 Polnocny C Black 1974



Project 1232.2 Zubr
Pomornik class
Amphibious landing craft (hovercraft)
? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Pacific 1988
MDK-104 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Pacific 1988
MDK-106 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Pacific 1989
MDK-109 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Baltic 1990
MDK-116 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Baltic 1991
MDK-117 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Baltic 1992
MDK-118 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Baltic 1993
MDK-122 (Ivan Bohun) MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Black 1990
MDK-123 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Black 1994
? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Black 1987
MDK-93 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Black 1988
MDK-94 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Black 1989
MDK-95 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Baltic 1986
MDK-97 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Pacific 1987
MDK-50 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik Pacific 1991
MDK-108 MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik 1992
? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik 1993
?? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik 1994
??? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik 1995
???? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik 1996
????? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik 1995
?????? MDK LCAC 1232.2 Pomornik 1996



Project 1232.1 Aist
Dzheryan class
Amphibious landing craft (hovercraft)
MDK-9 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Black 1971
MDK-16 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Black 1972
MDK-57 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Black 1974
MDK-82 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Baltic 1975
MDK-89 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Black 1977
MDK-102 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Baltic 1978
MDK-103 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Baltic 1979
MDK-117 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Baltic 1980
MDK-88 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Caspian 1981
MDK-162 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Black 1981
MDK-184 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Black 1982
MDK-18 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Caspian 1983
MDK-516 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Baltic 1983
MDK-518 MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist Baltic 1984
? MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist 1973
?? MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist 1976
??? MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist 1985
???? MDK LCAC 1232.1 Aist 1986


Bol'shoy Desatnyy Korabl' (BDK): Large Landing Ship
Mal'yy Desantyy Korabl' (MDK): Small Landing Ship
Sredniy Desantyy Korabl' (SDK): Medium Landing Ship


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I want to suggest a couple of potential causes for T2K canon's unlikely virtual annihilation of NATO's (and specifically the USN's) surface and subsurface fleets during the hot phase of the Twilight War. Bear in mind this is a "devil's advocate" post and some of these suggestions may seem improbable.
1) For whatever reasons NATO's war planners had underestimated the size, geographic coverage and or combat effectiveness of the WarPac's various anti-ship, anti-air and anti-sub capable assets. Perhaps the Soviets had very carefully reduced the non-combat effectiveness of their hardware and personnel when not engaged in major conflict, to deceive opposing intelligence analysts. Perhaps NATO had over-estimated its own potency. Perhaps some unexpected consequence of major events during the war enhanced WarPac's potency while retarding NATO's.
2) The WarPac forces, or most likely the Soviets, had secretly developed some key weapons, vehicles or other hardware, managed to keep its existance a secret, and enjoyed unexpected operation success once the war got nasty. More on this option in a later post.
3) A significant proportion of NATO's fleet losses, certainly far larger than suspected by NATO, were inflicted by a third (ostensibly neutral) party or parties such as the French and/or the Japanese. This option may contain elemnts of option (2), in that the third party had secretly developed key weapons or vehicles in secret or demonstrated greater than expected capabilities with known systems. For instance, what if French Govt decided that if the Soviet Navy was going to be effectively destroyed, it would be best for NATO's naval strength to be greatly reduced as well. Unless you capture or destroy an attacking sub it has got to be tough to positively determine what force sank your carrier, and NATO's (understandable) assumption for most losses would be that they were inflicted by WarPac forces.
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Further to scenario (2) in my previous post, the biggest questions would be what sort of secret weapons systems could the WarPac have fielded during the Twilight War capable of causing such profound effects on NATO's naval assets, and how could the Soviets keep these weapon systems secret?

I think one of the most realistic methods of maintaining secrecy is the method practiced by many owners of newly built castles during mediaeval times - having their architect and associated workers killed at completion to prevent them from revealing any secret passages or providing the enemy with accurate floor plans. Another strategy could be deliberately keeping the number of people involved in a weapon's development small, with projects knowingly sanctioned and resourced by higher authorities who have agreed not to seek information or disseminate knowledge of projects' existance. Given that the Soviet government demonstrated a capacity for thinking quite far ahead, some projects could have slowly advanced for decades while maintaining a low population of participants.

As for the weapons themselves, things like the 200 knot torpedo are good candidates, but what about ortillery (Cyberpunk 2020's name for orbital artillery)? The actual launchers and projectiles could be suprisingly low tech and simple, with only the launcher's station keeping, targeting and communications systems requiring any real sophistication. Simple but effective ortillery munitions would look much like steel crowbars and could be cold-launched using springs or compressed gas, achieving impressive velocities during reentry and arriving on target as a superheated AP penetartor wreathed in a shroud of of metal plasma. Quite accurate geographically but usually unguided and requiring a relatively long flight time. The flight time is not so much of a problem when you are aiming at an aircraft carrier, however. The components for ortillery satellites could have been ferried out of the gravity well in small parcels accompanying any of the hundreds of manned and unmanned space launches conducted by the Soviets over the decades. A far sighted planner would start with the simple components such as projectile packs and launch components, with the complete systems being assembled only in recent years or perhaps even right at the start of the Sino-Soviet War.
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Out of curiousity, wouldn't the USSR have moved part of their Atlantic fleet over to the Pacific because of their war with the PRC?
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Doubtful; the Soviet Pacific Fleet had enough of a superiority over the PLAN that reinforcement from Northern, Baltic, or Black Sea Fleets wasn't needed. The PRC still doesn't have a real blue-water navy, and as discussed in the old threads on the Sino-Soviet War, the Soviets inflict a lot of losses on the PLAN with the forces available. ROE for attacking PRC warships would have been pretty lenient, but when faced with merchantmen taking war materiel to China, they would have been limited for political reasons to only attacking PRC-flagged ships. And you'd have to get a visual on the target before attacking (ship-based helos are good for that). Of course, most war materiel being sent to the PRC goes in third-country shipping, which the Soviets are, as Webstral has indicated, reluctant to stop because they don't want a wider war. Not to mention no air or naval activity anywhere near Macao and Hong Kong-that would bring in the West. (Freedom of Navigation, protection of neutral shipping, etc.)


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On the Soviet Pacific fleet, I envision them making greater use of their facilities in Vietnam. They had a small squadron in the 80s operating from Cahm Ran Bay and had a short regiment of Badgers operating from DaNang. For the Sino-Soviet War, they could use the DaNang base to run through missions, deeper into China than otherwise possible or with greater weapons loads (having to transit a shorter distance after munitions use). The Soviet naval superiority along with nominal compliance with the principles of free navigation would permit the USSR to run convoys down the China coast to resupply the bases in Vietnam (and allowing the Soviet bombers at DaNang to return to the USSR with a full load of munitions to drop off on the way). If a Soviet convoy happens to locate a Chinese one (or Chinese naval forces) they can engage or call in other Soviet units... free "innocent" intelligence gathering. In the weeks leading up to the expansion of the war in the West, the base in Vietnam can be built up even further to permit more extended autonomous operations. (More detail when I finish my Soviet strategy piece!)

As far as the advanced weapons, I have a few ideas. The 200-knot torpedo and it's follow on are on my list of balance-changers, along with wake-homing torpedos (no real effective countermeasure for that was ever developed) and extensive mining, which NATO never really got an effective handle on. I hadn't put much thought into orbiting systems, other than as recon assets. I like the idea of FOBS (nukes in orbit to induce EMP) being in service, even though they were officially retired. Also Soviet coastal artillery had some tricks up their sleaves when it came to the Battle of the Kola Peninsula - land based SS-N-22 Sunburns (remember how effective Scud hunts were in the open desert? Try it in fjords with smaller targets under a better air defense umbrella!)

There was also an element of Western misunderstanding re: Soviet naval capabilities. NATO looked at readiness meaning that crews are well trained in the operation of their vessels, developed by extensive practical exercises and long deployments or exercises at sea. The USSR saw naval readiness as meaning a ship is ready to go to sea at a few hours notice and engage in combat. Sending ships to sea in peacetime would result in greater wear and tear on the ships, requiring time in the yard when they would be unable to eneter combat rapidly. With conscripts on short enlistments and limited procurement rubles, there is not much sense in wearing out your navy's ships while still only having a marginally effective fleet. As my strategic work will explain, NATO up until the mid 1980s fundamentally misunderstood Soviet intentions at sea, essentially replacing Germany with the USSR in its "WW III as the repeat of the WW II Battle of the Atlantic" concept of operations.


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As it turned out, in the late '80s NATO did get info on wake-homing torpedoes-some of the reference books from that time do mention the Type-65 "Long Lanceski" as a wake-homer, along with some of the standard 21" fish as wake-homing as well. The Type-65 is a big 26.5" torpedo with a range of up to 40 miles, and either a passive homing guidance, or wake-homing. Nuke or conventional warhead.

A possible shore-based missile is the SS-NX-24, development of which was stopped in '91. Check strategypage.com-India bought the rights to the missile, and paid for the development costs. They call the missile the Brahmos. Iran and the PRC are said to be very interested. Try globalsecurity or astronautix.com as well-they should have additional info.
It may be a second-strike nuclear system for the Indians...besides conventional warhead versions.

Even with some additional Soviet weapons, I still don't buy the wholesale decimation of the USN. Even if most of the surviving ships can't go to sea due to lack of fuel, more of the Navy should still be around. Other than nuclear-powered vessels, the only ships with fuel would be those in the Persian Gulf with the 5th Fleet, and those based in the SF Bay Area.


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Matt: why not take this idea...in my game the Soviets actually are defeated on the naval front. However the lack of infrastructure and steady fuel shipments mean that the NATO fleets are not running to full capacity. You don't even have to explain what this means to your players, you can simply make the information largely unavailable. However if you need to have a ship pick them up on some godforsaken coastline or assist in some operation if, as I do, you have them working with government forces as opposed to cast totally adrift, then you got it. I've never suggested that the NATO fleets were decimated. Rather I have on occasion the chimera of the Soviet and Pact fleets, which mostly results in a stray that has gone pirate or something. And I think that the game writers were mostly just trying to make aircraft and naval power unavailable. But you don't need that extreme an idea to make that notion work. In any actual war or conflict there can be things that aren't available to people in the field.

Also you might have outside the Gulf or the Bay fleets at anchor or whatever which had just a couple of ships on active duty and perhaps others ready to be refurbished should the need arise.

It's fairly easy for me: I'm running my game on the Atlantic Coast/New England of course and so the focus is on the captured sub and Bigelow with the smaller ships doing most of the main duties.

Is your game the one set on the NW Pacific or what?


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I posted some stuff a while back about the Navy: some surviving carriers and their escorts, some amphibs, and the surviving boomers and SSNs. Also what happened to the battleships and the two Des Moines class heavy cruisers.

Air and naval support should not be unavailable, but rare. You'd better have a very good reason to put those assets into play. Even with Persian Gulf and California oil still pumping and limited refining, Jet fuel doesn't grow on trees, and you'd better have a good reason for calling for air support or extraction.
Ditto for naval support.

One of the posts I did had U.S.S. Constellation (CV-64) and her battle group anchored at Guam: they have fuel, but only enough to get home, but CINC-PACCOM wants the carrier to be ready to cover any pullout from Korea. There's also one of the Amphibs with a provisional MEU as well-they were headed for Korea when the ICBMs flew, and they made port in Guam. Another amphib operates out of Hilo, Hawaii, with a Forrest Sherman DD as escort-they have fuel for limited ops, but the U.S.S. Wisconsin (BB-64) is in port in Hilo, with a torpedo hole in her bow, limited fuel, and no drydock. But the two other ships "show the flag" in Hawaiian waters, and the Marines aboard U.S.S Essex (LHD-2) support the 29th Infantry Brigade (HI NG).


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What you're suggesting makes sense, Matt. Looking at that guy Nathan Decker's site I was trying to come up with what modern ships would be available to be in and around South Carolina/Georgia/Florida. Still working on that but I'm away at a wedding for the weekend and of course didn't bring Jane's with me. If anyone has any offhand ideas about that I'd be appreciative, though I had already come up with wanting Barnstable County and Audacity among the vessels available.

Targan: I will address the space question in another thread.


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One can also make the argument that the surviving naval assets on both the East and West coasts are now national-level assets. Which means the CNO in Colorado Springs (or Denver) makes the call as to where and when to send surviving surface ships and subs to sea, and for what mission(s). The ships left in Europe, the Far East, and in the Gulf are still under the appropriate theather naval commander. For the boomers, things haven't changed very much: they still go to sea and await orders. One SSN that still has an exciting life is U.S.S. Parche (SSN-687). She is based out of the Trident Sub Base in Bangor, WA, and she has a SEAL platoon assigned; her missions are still highly classified. When she returns from a cruise, she first arrives in the covered drydock at the base, where it is rumored that items recovered on her operations are offloaded. Only after a period in the covered dock does she moor at a pier.


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How many carriers did the various nations have during 1991-1994 era?
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Originally Posted by BnF95
How many carriers did the various nations have during 1991-1994 era?
Check out post#4 this thread for the US carriers according to GraebardeII, and the various naval OOBs posted recently in these forums for other nations.
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I did, but if I remember correctly, which I doubt, the French, Indians, and Australians also have carriers yes?
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Australia once had an aircraft carrier, the HMAS Melbourne, but the government decided that although the nation's primary multi-role jet fighters are carrier-capable FA/18s, and Australia has the largest coastline of any nation in the world, we didn't need an aircraft carrier and sold it for scrap. Well, the government thought they had sold it for scrap. Now apparently the Chinese military have the Melbourne and are using it to train carrier pilots. You will have to excuse me for a moment, every time I think about that situation I suffer an overwhelming urge to bang my head against a hard surface until the pain goes away. Ah heck, that's no where near as concerning as the Australian government's tacit approval for future sales of Australian uranium to China. Who knows, perhaps one day the Chinese will refine it and send it back, in MIRVs, from sub-orbit.

France has a carrier or two and some helicopter carriers. India has a carrier and is organising more. But all of the carriers in the world combined come nowhere close to matching the overall tonnage of the US carrier fleet. Now that's gunboat diplomacy!
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Quote:
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I did, but if I remember correctly, which I doubt, the French, Indians, and Australians also have carriers yes?


So does Argentina, Spain, Italy, Britain (3), and Thailand. Brazil too I think... check the other naval posts.
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Quote:
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Well, the government thought they had sold it for scrap. Now apparently the Chinese military have the Melbourne and are using it to train carrier pilots.


Actually, the Melbourne was scrapped but the Chinese went over it with a fine-tooth comb to learn engineering data from first. Of course, she was an old Invincible class ship so there wasn't much they really could learn that you couldn't learn from any other 60's era ship, but it was done with the collusion of our government in defiance of the post-Tienammin weapon sales bans (every Western nation defied those, even those governments that proposed them.)
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Quote:
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Actually, the Melbourne was scrapped but the Chinese went over it with a fine-tooth comb to learn engineering data... but it was done with the collusion of our government in defiance of the post-Tienammin weapon sales bans...
Gotcha. But it is still appropriate for me to rant, right?
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In my naval oobs, I have the following carriers:

USA: 18 CVs and CVNs, 4 Essex-class (1 was training, 3 brought from reserve), 7 LPHs, 5 LHAs, 8 LHDs
UK: 3 Invincible class, plus Engadine, Argus and Ocean.
France: Charles DeGaulle, Foch and Clemenceau (IRL 1 of the older ones was retired, but not during a war!)
USSR: 2 Moscow-class, 4 Kiev-class, 2 Tblisi-class and Ulyanovsk.
Italy: Garibaldi and Mazzini (planned in the early 90s, continually delayed IRL)
Spain: 1 modern carrier, possibly old WWII escort carrier (Dedalo, seperate thread on this one...)
Thailand: 1
India: 2 (IRL one was decommissioned Jan 97)
Brazil: 1
Argentina: 1

NATO forces also convert a number of large container ships to escort carriers (using the Arapaho project materials/techniques) flying ASW and AEW helos and Harriers.

A related issue with the larger number of carriers (from speeding up production and retaining older ships) is the availability of aircraft and crew. The French, for example, in the 1980s operated fixed-wing aircraft off of only 1 carrier to save money, using the second only for helos. Add in a third carrier and you have more space for aircraft than you have aircraft and aircrews to fly. With everyone trying to get more harriers (for the smaller ships) there's going to be a crunch and some smaller navies will be left out. Finally, if you aren't going to have a draft (nad even if you do!) you're going to have a tough time finding enough crewmen for all those ships. (And a draft only helps a little... you need experienced officers and NCOs, especially mid-grades, who aren't available in general as retirees and can't be magically created from drafted civilians).

And Targan, you wouldn't believe the mess and minor scandals that have accompanied the disposal of old carriers in the US. We sank USS America in a secret munitions exercise and pissed off the former crewmen, Coral Sea was scrapped with the usual environmental mess (and featured some unaccounted for 500-lb bombs squirreled away!) and the Oriskany, to be sunk as an artificial reef, has been tied up in the courts for years!

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Chico what are the Engadine, Argus and Ocean?

Ocean being the latest Commando Carrier they have now?
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Engadine was a RN helicopter training ship. It was used as a transit deck during the Falklands... Harriers deploying from the UK to Ascension could land for a refuel. It had a deck that could land 4 helos. IRL decommissioned in 89, scrapped in 96.

Argus was a container ship that was converted to an aircraft transport for the Falklands. After the war the RN kept her and used her to to train helo pilots (allowing Engadine to be retired), as an assault ship and as a hospital ship. 5 helos up to Chinook size, can land Harriers, probably can transport more than 5 helos.

HMS Ocean is the RN's newest LPH. IRL it's delivery was delayed due to politics, not enough money, etc, commissioning in 98. For T2k it was in commissioned in 95. 18 helos (12 Sea Kings, 6 Lynx).

All these ships have the ability to fly harriers but not really to support them - maintenance, munitions, liquid oxygen, command & control, etc. But they are easier to adapt than a civilian container ship. And as I dig deeper I see that the air threat to the convoy lanes in most of the world is pretty light, so a few harriers will be more than enough (and where it's heavy whether you have a few or a lot of harriers it still doesn't matter you're going to get hit)!


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Gotcha. But it is still appropriate for me to rant, right?

Oh yeah, I'm just being my usual nit-picking self, I don't want anyone putting the Melbourne into Chinese OOBs.
The flagrant multinational defiance of those weapons bans makes me sick, it just goes to show that where money is concerned, legality goes out the window (anyone heard of the Australian Wheat Board?)
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Oh yeah, I'm just being my usual nit-picking self, I don't want anyone putting the Melbourne into Chinese OOBs.
The flagrant multinational defiance of those weapons bans makes me sick, it just goes to show that where money is concerned, legality goes out the window (anyone heard of the Australian Wheat Board?)

Oh yeah, AWB, Australians Willingly Bribe. I play a fair bit of Battlefield 2 on-line, and when I'm in a battle where I'm playing on the Middle East side I often call my squad "AWB's Guns".

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(it's the entirety of the Soviet and several other navies, after all...)
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I've been reading through a book lately on the worlds naval vessels from aircraft carriers right down to small patrol craft. Written as at June 1984 and extremely detailed in weapons, electronics, range, and a dozen other statistics.

What I've found very interesting is the age of most vessels. Many smaller countries, and a large number of the larger ones were still operating ships built and commissioned in 1943-1945, many of which were transfered from the US and UK navies in the 60's and 70's.

What I find even MORE interesting is that roughly 60-70% of the US naval strength was of 1940's and 50's vintage with upgrades consisting of little more than the addition of a newer radar and fire control systems and often replacement of a gun turret with a missile system of some type.

It's also interesting to note that on average, missile frigates, destroyers and even the larger cruisers usually only carry about eight (8) missiles for each launcher. Therefore, resupply ships are absolutely VITAL to ongoing operations.

At the same time, it appears the Soviets were going through a massive expansion and replacement program of their naval assets (while also retaining many of the older vessels).

So, on paper the US navy (and others) might appear to have been very strong, but in reality they were on the whole operating with seriously obsolete equipment. It's a bit like a modern army of today being equiped with M47 and M48 tanks, M3 Halftracks and bolt action rifles - they'll still kill you, but put up against say T-72's, BMPs, and AK-74s and you've got a real problem.
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What I find even MORE interesting is that roughly 60-70% of the US naval strength was of 1940's and 50's vintage with upgrades consisting of little more than the addition of a newer radar and fire control systems and often replacement of a gun turret with a missile system of some type.
Yep, that was President Reagan & Navy Secretary John Lehman's biggest lever: the fleet was really aging, and many ships needed replacements. Nearly all of those postwar DDs were replaced by Spruance-class DDG and Perry-class FFG by the '90s. And the Spruances are being replaced by the Burkes, just much more slowly.

Their second biggest lever was that same Soviet build-up.

Edit: by "lever," I mean argument to get funding for new ships, of course.
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Those two classes are actually mentioned (and included in my general percentage impressions) although there was no indication at the time many of the older classes (except perhaps about half the 1940's models) were to be decommissioned.
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Hulls don’t have to be upgraded if they are serviceable. The weapons systems and the electronics to manage the weapons are the items that kill other ships.

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This is true, but metal hulls in salt water don't tend to stand up well to 40+ years sitting in the ocean. Not to mention the machinery that propells them develops "issues" the older it gets.

Would you drive a 1940's rust bucket into a warzone and feel good about it even if the stereo had been replaced and the seats reupholstered? :S
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Yep, that was President Reagan & Navy Secretary John Lehman's biggest lever: the fleet was really aging, and many ships needed replacements. Nearly all of those postwar DDs were replaced by Spruance-class DDG and Perry-class FFG by the '90s. And the Spruances are being replaced by the Burkes, just much more slowly.
From the above data the US modernization seems to be pretty effective since the averages have moved generally into the mid/late 70s.


Below is the Type (Number) and average date of commission

Carriers (20) MAR 69
BB (4) SEP 43
CG (45) OCT 79
CGN (9) SEP 72
DDG (62) AUG 76
DD (31) SEP 78
FF (59) JUN 70
FFG (57) AUG 81
Amphibs (40) JAN 79
SSN (123) JAN 78
SS (4) JAN 61
SSBN (51) MAY 73

edit realized i needed to add 6 months to the averages due to my method of calculation.

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This is true, but metal hulls in salt water don't tend to stand up well to 40+ years sitting in the ocean. Not to mention the machinery that propells them develops "issues" the older it gets.

Would you drive a 1940's rust bucket into a warzone and feel good about it even if the stereo had been replaced and the seats reupholstered? :S

Some metal hulls do fine in the ocean for 40+ years. Materials, maintenance, and the like play and enormous role in how well a hull survives. To suggest that the US Navy would go to the expense of refitting the weapons and electronics on a rust bucket is really rather silly. It's fine to have a realistic look at the potential drawbacks and liabilities of the US Navy--or any navy, for that matter. Your point about an Australian sub penetrating the security screen of a carrier battle group is a good, realistic example of how a motivated and capable leader and crew can make the most of their equipment and carry out successful attacks. It's another matter entirely to imply that the USN is so inept that new weapons (costing millions) are going to be installed in hulls that should be scrapped--which is the only reasonable interpretation of the term "rust bucket". I'll trust the judgment of professional naval architects to determine which hulls are suitable to be maintained and refitted.

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Some metal hulls do fine in the ocean for 40+ years. Materials, maintenance, and the like play and enormous role in how well a hull survives.
It is also important to note that most of the very old vessels (The BBs and a few CVs) went through very long, expensive, and thorough refurbishments. Of course you need to take into account the refurbishment cycle when calculating the availability of ships, which I believe was covered in some part of this discussion.

The largest issues I remember reading about other refits were functional issues like HMMWVs not fitting where Jeeps were expected on certain Amphbs. Power plants and screws were replaced without major issues from what I can recall.

The Soviets on the other hand had a pretty well deserved (IMO) reputation for slacking off on maintenance.

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An unprotected metal hull would be rendered unseaworthy in about 5 years. That would mean that critical parts of the hull would be sufficiently weakened or embrittled enough to threaten to break in strong weather. It is for this reason that ships are regularly maintained, as I will discuss further a bit later in this post.

Of course, there are other ways corrosion can cause problems as well, such as in the decomposition of seals (responsible for the loss of one ex-soviet vessel sold to India), and portals jamming shut due to expansion or freezing. If soldiers lives depended on keeping thier equipment functioning, however, I am sure you would see a marked improvement in the maintainance work done by soviet sailors, so there would be less of a difference there than you might think.

If looking to work out the life span of a metal ship by looking at corrosion of the hull alone, you would have to figure in the following factors:

-Availability of Zinc electrodes. Usually refitted every couple of years, without these sacrificial anodes around the hull, corrosion will be much faster.
-Surface protection, ie paint (but not always. Aluminium forms it's own protective but brittle coating, Aluminium Oxide, which protects the metal underneath). This needs replacing quite often, depending on many conditions. For most warships, the crew do this on down time about once per year, depending on how much action they see. Repairs make this needed more often, as do temperature extremes (artic or pacific heat can remove paint pretty well). Pesticides and copper in pait on the underside can reduce the damage barnicles will cause to the paint, but such paints will be harder to obtain.
-Temperature of the water. Warm water will be more corrosive than cold water, and there will also be more fouling. On the other hand, ice will be much more abrasive.

Most of these rely on regularly taking the boat out of the water every couple of years. Never a problem in peace time, but if all the major drydocks are out of commission, and they would be major naval targets, then the lifespan of the ships will drop remarkably. It should be noted that most smaller vessels (ie with thinner hulls, etc) from World War II were decomissioned before the
1980's, despite regular maintainance. If vessels were not used (not really applicable in this scenario) they might last for 20 years without proper maintainance (ie a drydock), but in action, the hulls are unlikely to last more that 10-15 years (most protections will be reduced in 5 years), and many smaller vessels (50-500t) will most likely not last that long. Fast attack craft, of which the Soviets have heaps, can be pulled out of the water by trucks, and thereby maintained. Indeed, you may even find some still hidden on thier trucks...

By the way, the Australian Wheat board has been taking tips from thier US counterparts who demand fair trading in Australia while putting up hugh protection for US farmers in the US. Ironic we get better trading terms for our wheat from China than the US, despite fighting beside US forces in most wars since the second world war...guess money does show who your friends are!
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Good points about the hull needing pretty much constant attention. I had completely forgotten about anodes being necessary for even civilian craft.


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The link with the AWB is a good one, but I notice somewhat dated. However, having worked for over half a decade in Bishkek, where the US Army base in Kyrgyzstan is located, we have also observed millions of US dollars being paid in a government sanctioned manner that is known to head to individual bank accounts for the privilidge of using that base. Of course you are not responsible for how corrupt countries spend thier money, but bribes are a known way of doing business in such nations, and indeed possibly the only way. Only usually, the US government forces them to call it by a different name and 'legitimize' it for the home folk! I do not see it as morally any different, but rather someone was a bit lax in some paperwork. We hear about the US also being involved in the same scheme of aid for oil or food for oil. Again, we were right there with you!

Regarding the maintainance of ships, we have not even started on the mechanical side of things, where the lower tech russian vessels could well be in a much stronger position...
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Regarding the maintainance of ships, we have not even started on the mechanical side of things, where the lower tech russian vessels could well be in a much stronger position...
In the T2k year 2000 I totally accept that. Lower tech will be easier to maintain and refit with spares after the bombs drop.

I liked your idea of perhaps finding craft still on their trailers somewhere.
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On the note of lower tech, I have noticed that many russian feild engineers with small backyard workshops are pretty capable of making 'makeshift' modification. Having beenin the ex-USSR, I have seen that every major centre had it's own bomb shelter, and this was particularly true of industrial areas, so it is quite likely that a small portion, enought to make machinery to convert small craft to steam, would have survived someplace. In particular, taking some of these small craft and converting them to steam, to run off wood (available in great supply in Russia) would seem to be a very logical step in the event fuel oil was not available. No where near as efficient, so range and speed would be reduced, but it is likely they could still get 20-25kts for a few hundred km. I am sure most small vessels still in use would have had such conversions throughout the world within the first decade of liquid fuel not being available. This would make wood, and hence forests, a much higher value target, both for heating and transport, but I have not seen any of that in the Twilight modules. Did I miss that?

Regardless, the USSR has always been seen as being strongest as a coastal navy, and thier ideology and srtucture are somewhat different from the West. In most wars, they have opted for larger numbers of lower tech items that are more easily maintained in the feild, and this is also true of thier navy. Forays into larger naval conflicts out of range of land-based aircraft and support have rarely gone well for them, so in reality they would be hesitant in sending more than boomers and ICBN's much further than their coast. This could explain the decimation of NATO navies...attacking the Soviets at home has always been a dangerous affair, and the Navies would have taken the brunt of any amphibious assault.

On another note, Stalin had many very ambitious ideas, one of them to join the Black sea and the Caspian sea with a naval channel. Another was to create a naval channel by joining existing waterways from St Petersburg northeast to Voznesene, then through, Povenets and Nadvoltsy to make another seige of Stalingrad much more difficult, and to ensure that the navy to the north could reinforce the baltic quickly if needed. I am not sure if that channel was ever completed, but if it was many ships could well escape the baltic blockade if they were needed elsewhere.
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I'm trying to find out the carrying capacity (troops and/or LAV) of the East German Frosch I amphibious landing ship but I'm not having much luck. I'm hoping your Google-Fu is stronger than mine. Any info you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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I'm trying to find out the carrying capacity (troops and/or LAV) of the East German Frosch I amphibious landing ship but I'm not having much luck. I'm hoping your Google-Fu is stronger than mine. Any info you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
Found this book, "A Compendium of Armaments and Military Hardware." (by Christopher Chant) on Google Books. It states the following: -
Capacity: up to 800 tons including 12 tanks or 16 lighter AFVs; the troop accommodation is normally 60, though 260 can be carried for short periods.

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Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks, SSC.
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