Army and Corps Commands

[shrike6]

Originally Posted by Enfield

@ADM Lee:

Interesting. If I'm understanding you correctly, the Army and Corps commands have to have good contacts within the regions in which their subordinate units are operating.

So for example, the force in the continental USA that is most effective appears to be the 5th US Army, with two corps intact though considerably reduced in strength, controlling the Mississippi from southern Illinois to Louisiana. According to what you're saying, they have been effective in having good relations with the communities along that stretch. Possibly a good example of this would be in Airlords of the Ozarks where, at considerable risk, one of those Corps deploys divisions to deal with the New American cell there that is raiding and conquering various communities.

The reason I'm posing this question is to get deeper into how the conflict between Milgov's forces and the New American cell in Idaho as well as Cascadia works, as well as how effective Cascadia and New America are as opponents for them.

I'm also trying to figure out where to place corps and army HQs.

There remain:

5th US Army -
- 90th US Corps -
- 122nd US Corps -

6th US Army -
-63rd Corps -

9th US Army -
- 8th US Corps -
Had you imagined some idea of where their headquarters would be?

I feel the Army HQs would be much further away from the main action than Corps HQs would be. Armies are more of a Regional thing while Corps are fluid. This is my feelings on this.

5th US Army - Fort Chaffee, AR
- 90th US Corps -Fort Sill, OK
- 122nd US Corps - Minden, LA

6th US Army -McClellan AFB or Presidio
-63rd Corps -Fort Hunter Liggett
-89th Corps - Fresno, CA

9th US Army -Fort Lewis, Wa or Fort Wainwright, AK
- 8th US Corps -Fort Lawton or Bellingham, WA
- 10th US Corps - Fort Wainwright

Originally Posted by mpipes

One of the things I was slightly miffed about in the books - NO equipment, organization, or equipment lists for higher HQs. There are considerable combat forces falling directly under Army or Corps control like artillery brigades, SAMs, combat engineers, helicopter units, recon elements, and even combat units - like Guard Tank Brigades or elite breakthrough or Special Forces formations.

I started addressing some of this in my own personal orbat. The orbat is a work in progress although I havent updated it in a couple of years. The timeline is modified and doesnt take into account the newer sourcebooks. My feelings were corps formed later in the timeline would have less and less support units. For example V Corps aviation brigade had 2 aviation groups with 3-4 battalions a piece. While LXIII Corps is lucky to have a Corps Aviation Battalion imo.

[mpipes]

I would love to see an update.

[shrike6]

Might as well explain this.

Originally Posted by shrike6

5th US Army - Fort Chaffee, AR - Airlords of the Ozarks says there is a significant Milgov presence in the Fort Smith area. Considering that its reserve bdes are to the east. the 122nd is to the south. 90th is to the west and sw. Seems as logical a place as any.
- 90th US Corps -Fort Sill, OK Keeps it close to the 49th AD and the front. Existing infrastructure and on an interstate hwy.
- 122nd US Corps - Minden, LA - Considering significant portions of LA are nuked such as Shreveport and Baton Rouge. Minden made sense since it contains the Louisiana Army Ammunition Plant. While transportation is important so is industry.

6th US Army -McClellan AFB or Presidio I either thought the HQ stayed in place at the Presidio or moved because of the Nuke strikes in the Bay Area
-63rd Corps -Fort Hunter Liggett could just as well be Camp Roberts doesnt really matter
-89th Corps - Fresno, CA Why not?

9th US Army -Fort Lewis, Wa or Fort Wainwright, AK - depends on where it was activated. If it was activated in AK then it probably activated at Fort Richardson and evacuated north during the invasion. If it was activated at Fort Lewis then it probably stayed there and never had a reason to move.
- 8th US Corps -Fort Lawton or Bellingham, WA - somewhere close to Canada anyway along with units of the 47th ID.
- 10th US Corps - Fort Wainwright AK

Originally Posted by Adm.Lee

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90th Corps (I can't stand that they broke with the normal Roman-numerals for Corps, much less that the writers skipped so many numbers! This is
VI Corps, IMTU)

122nd Corps (again, yuck. II Corps for me)

Its because they used ARCOMs to form the Corps. 90th Corps was formed from the ex 90th ARCOM (ex 90th ID) and was the ARCOM for TX and NM. 122nd Corps from ex 122nd ARCOM which was for OK, AR and LA. 63rd Corps formed from 63rd ARCOM (ex 63d ID) covered Southern CA. 89th Corps (ex 89th ARCOM, ex 89th ID) covered Kansas, Nebraska and Missouri.) is a little bit out of place but whatever.

[swaghauler]

Originally Posted by shrike6

Might as well explain this.




Its because they used ARCOMs to form the Corps. 90th Corps was formed from the ex 90th ARCOM (ex 90th ID) and was the ARCOM for TX and NM. 122nd Corps from ex 122nd ARCOM which was for OK, AR and LA. 63rd Corps formed from 63rd ARCOM (ex 63d ID) covered Southern CA. 89th Corps (ex 89th ARCOM, ex 89th ID) covered Kansas, Nebraska and Missouri.) is a little bit out of place but whatever.

This. The 99th ARCOM (out of Oakdale near the Pittsburgh airport) would be the Army command in Allegheny Uprising.

[shrike6]

Originally Posted by swaghauler

This. The 99th ARCOM (out of Oakdale near the Pittsburgh airport) would be the Army command in Allegheny Uprising.

Yes, its a possibility.

[Adm.Lee]

Originally Posted by shrike6

Its because they used ARCOMs to form the Corps. 90th Corps was formed from the ex 90th ARCOM (ex 90th ID) and was the ARCOM for TX and NM. 122nd Corps from ex 122nd ARCOM which was for OK, AR and LA. 63rd Corps formed from 63rd ARCOM (ex 63d ID) covered Southern CA. 89th Corps (ex 89th ARCOM, ex 89th ID) covered Kansas, Nebraska and Missouri.) is a little bit out of place but whatever.

AH! Now it is clear.

Still ugly, but clear.

Consider, also, that larger formations often have forward and rear HQs, the latter for the large logistical tails (even less mobile in T2k), and the former able to move about a bit more.

[Enfield]

Originally Posted by shrike6

I feel the Army HQs would be much further away from the main action than Corps HQs would be. Armies are more of a Regional thing while Corps are fluid. This is my feelings on this.

5th US Army - Fort Chaffee, AR
- 90th US Corps -Fort Sill, OK
- 122nd US Corps - Minden, LA

6th US Army -McClellan AFB or Presidio
-63rd Corps -Fort Hunter Liggett
-89th Corps - Fresno, CA

9th US Army -Fort Lewis, Wa or Fort Wainwright, AK
- 8th US Corps -Fort Lawton or Bellingham, WA
- 10th US Corps - Fort Wainwright





I started addressing some of this in my own personal orbat. The orbat is a work in progress although I havent updated it in a couple of years. The timeline is modified and doesnt take into account the newer sourcebooks. My feelings were corps formed later in the timeline would have less and less support units. For example V Corps aviation brigade had 2 aviation groups with 3-4 battalions a piece. While LXIII Corps is lucky to have a Corps Aviation Battalion imo.

Thank you for posting this, I wasn't aware of your own orbat, so I'll take a look.

At a glance, you seem to have a very different vision for how the Howling Wilderness/Pacific Northwest sourcebooks suggest.