Winter Cantonment Locations...

[natehale1971]

Hi everyone,

Something just came up in plans for the T2K campaign I am wanting to run here on these boards... just where are the locations of the Winter Cantonments of the subordinate units in the XI US Corps, the German Thrid Army and the British Army units as well... Just where did they spend their winter? I had always thought they spent the winter in North Eastern Corner of East Germany, and this was why they moved along the Baltic Coast to launch their offensive against the Soviets...

so... where did all of the fources end up spending their winter?

[Targan]

There might be some clues in The Black Madonna and Going Home... I recall there are passing mentions here and there in the town descriptions of places where US units have previously developed relationships with the locals.

[Legbreaker]

If we're talking the winter of December 2000, there's actually very little information (at least I was unable to find anything in canon while researching the spring 2000 offensive).

The references in Going Home and Black Maddonna mainly relate to events in 1997 during the intial NATO offensive before nukes were used.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

If we're talking the winter of December 2000, there's actually very little information (at least I was unable to find anything in canon while researching the spring 2000 offensive).

The references in Going Home and Black Maddonna mainly relate to events in 1997 during the intial NATO offensive before nukes were used.

I'm wanting the info on Cantonments for the winter of 1999-2000. Where the forces had been prior to the NATO Summer Offensive that was launched in July 2000..

[Legbreaker]

There's next to nothing for the period from late 1997 through to the 2000 offensive. For that matter, there's actually very little for 1997 besides some very generic references such as "took part in the drive through southern Poland" as an example.

I would suggest looking at where units are marked as of the 1st of July 2000, reading over their unit histories, and trying to work out for yourself just how they ended up there. As there was little action in the preceding 12-18 months....

However, the 3rd German Army, of which the US XI Corps is a part, does not have accurate locations for the 1st of July - those shown in most resources appear to be post spring offensive when they were effectively cut off (the XI Corp at least) from the rest of NATO and the 5th scattered all over Poland.

Perhaps looking at all the other units in Europe and finding the holes is the best approach?

[chico20854]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

There's next to nothing for the period from late 1997 through to the 2000 offensive. For that matter, there's actually very little for 1997 besides some very generic references such as "took part in the drive through southern Poland" as an example.

That's why the DC Group is wargaming the 1996-late 1997 campaign out. We hope to fill in many of those details.

Unfortunately, the Third World War rules we are using essentially break down after a strategic nuclear exchange. For example, the rules permit no reinforcements, which is not the case in canon.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by natehale1971

I'm wanting the info on Cantonments for the winter of 1999-2000. Where the forces had been prior to the NATO Summer Offensive that was launched in July 2000..

I know. In the Going Home module there are oblique references in some of the town descriptions about units that have previously been in the area (i.e. in cantonment over the previous winter) and some that have since returned after the summer offensive.

[Cdnwolf]

Somewhere I came upon a details listing of the final areas of most of the major combat units and cantonment areas at the time of the Kalisz battle.

Now to find the damn thing...lol...

The Eastern European Sourcebook was pretty good at detailing the cantonments for that area too.

5th “Saxon” Tank Division
Subordination: Polish 1st Tank Army
Current Location: Podgaje/Jastrowie/Pila, Poland
Manpower: 3500
Tanks: 16 T-72s

10th “Sudeten” Tank Division
Subordination: Soviet 4th Tank Guards Army
Current Location: Pleszew/Kalisz, Poland
Manpower: 2000
Tanks: 5 T-72s

1 st “Warsaw” Motorized Rifle Division
Subordination: Polish 2nd Army
Current Location: Czaplinek/Miroslawiec/Rusinowo, Poland
Manpower: 2500
Tanks: 7 T-72s

Krakow ORMO
(ex-8th “Dresden” Motorized Rifle Division)
the defense force of the Free City of Krakow.
Subordination: None
Current Location: Krakow, Poland
Manpower: 2000, + 6000 militia
Tanks: 2 T-80s

The Polish 8th MRD no longer exists, having formed the core of
9th “Dresden” Motorized Rifle Division
Subordination: Polish 1st Army
Current Location: Palanow/Miastko/Bytow, Poland
Manpower: 2500
Tanks: 10 T-55s

14th Motorized Rifle Division
The commander of this division has set himself up as leader
an autonomous state in southern Poland, styling himself the
Markgraf of Silesia.
Subordination: None
Current Location: Raciborz, Poland
Manpower: 1500
Tanks: None

2nd Cavalry Division (ex-2nd “Warsaw” MRD)
refitted with horses instead of vehicles.
This unit was badly mauled in the beginning of the war, and was;
Subordination: Polish 1st Army
Current Location: Gdynia, Poland
Manpower: 200 cavalry
Tanks: None

3rd Cavalry Division
the Germans in 1997 and reformed as horse cavalry in 1998.
Formerlythe3rd “Pomeranian”MRD,this unitwasdecimated by
Subordination: Polish 1st Army
Current Location: SlupsWUstkdLebork, Poland
Manpower: 1000 cavalry
Tanks: None

12th Cavalry Division
This division was formed from the remnants of the 11 th TD in
1998.
Subordination: Polish 1st Army
Current Location: KoscierzyndGniewflczew, Poland
Manpower: 1500 cavalry
Tanks: None

13th Cavalry Division
“Kashubian” TD in 1998.
This division was reformed from the remnants of the 13th
Subordination: Polish 1st Army
Current Location: Chojnice/Czluchow/Sepolno, Poland
Manpower: 1000 cavalry
Tanks: None

17th Cavalry Division
in 1998.
This division was reformed from the remnants of the 15th MRD
Subordination: Polish 2nd Army
Current Location: Dobiegniew/StrzelceMlronki, Poland
Manpower: 2000 cavalry
Tanks: None

[Cdnwolf]

I did find a couple of good references for the Kalisz battle including one heck of a great map.

http://www.arpeegee.com/kalisz.htm

Map
http://www.reocities.com/jimandpetalawrie/kalisz.jpg

[Legbreaker]

The list you've got there is really only the Pact units that have defected/deserted. It's also EXTREMELY out of date.