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Old 05-26-2009, 04:17 AM
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Default Melee Rules Edit

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A certain member of our group has pointed out a discrepancy in the MELEE RULES ( house rules ) .

No names to be mentioned - but he certainly has an interest vested .

The thing to consider is the rules regarding KICKING vs BOXING vs GRAPPLING

all fine diciplines with their own uses .But they nedd to be balanced a bit more ,and I put forth the following suggestion :

1. kick/box is 1 level more difficult when laying prone in a grappling match
grappling numberr of attacks is skill / 3 round down
( this gives the grappler alot of advantage on the ground )

2. Kicking number of attacks is henceforth skill / 3 round down .
( kicking is twice as deadly as boxing is /double damage )

3 .Boxing number of attacks is skill/ 2 round up
(this means that a boxer will be faster on the offensive and defensive )

What about blocks you say ?

well, this would mean that
a boxer with a skill of 9 gets 5 attacks and 5 blocks

a kicker with a skill of 9 gets 3 attacks and 3 blocks

a grappler with a skill of 9 gets 3 attacks and 3 blocks.

If your guy has a skill of 10 and STR 10 he will give 10 CH / HP pr attack for a grapple attack .Basically meaning that he can give between 20 - 30 hp pr phase .But he will have to close the distance ,giving the defender the possibility to stand his ground and attack for a full phase as the two are going into a clinch .The grappler has the prone advantage ,can deploy special techniques/attacks for double damage /controlling hits .


The kicker will have deadly damage and fairly quick attacks.

A boxer with 10 skill and 10 STR will only be able to give 5 hp pr attack , but he has more attacks for a total of 25 hp possible in one phase .
The boxers weaker attacks is also balanced by him having the possibility to attack a kicker or grappler 2 more times than the grappler /kicker can block .

This way each dicipline has been weighted against eachother .

Kick vs box - kicker better get his attack in first to knock the boxer out of the round
kicke/box vs grapple -grappler got to endure closing the distance ,but kicker/boxer better not fall down .

If there are no major concerns raised by thursday -we shall be going with these amendments to the house rules .
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:54 AM
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Default NOW HEAR THIS !! READ AND STUDY THESE RULES .YOUR PCs LIFE DEPENDS ON IT .

- MELEE COMBAT RULES -
Houserules v.2.0 by GM HEADQUARTERS

Purpose:to create a middle ground between a simulation and a dice rolling game to make for fast, furious and fun playing of T2K melee.

BASIC RULES:
0 . ORDER OF PLAY
Who goes first is determined by :

Unarmed melee : Initiativ ,Skill , Agility –if still equal highest on the dice. NB! Sucker punches,”optional attacks”,situational attacks at GMs discretion.

Armed melee: Range-longer moves first.If equal range – agility minus bulk , if equal still rate by Initiativ ,Skill , Agility if still equal –highest roll of die.
NB! Sucker punches,”optional attacks”,situational attacks at GMs discretion

1. Attack is AVERAGE melee skill.

CONSECUTIVE ATTACKS : for each attack deduct 1 from attackers initiative , skill ,agility ,to determine who goes first for consecutive attacks .
This means that for example attacker A with initiative 6 and a boxing skill of 8 and thus 4 moves pr phase ,will get all of his punches launched before defender B
with initiative 2 and skill 4 can launch a single attack .

2.Blocks are AVERAGE melee skill.

BLOCKS may be attempted against all attacks ,even if characters moves doesn’t come until later in the round. You may only attempt a number of blocks equal to
Your number of available moves in that round . The block must be declared by the defender PRIOR to the attack roll .
Forgetting to state BLOCK! means that block is forfeit. (OPTIONAL)
Defender may use only 1 block pr attack . ( OPTIONAL)

However there are desperate blocks .

DESPERATE BLOCKS : if your PC has run out of moves and attack is imminent –player may declare DESPERATE BLOCK. He will then be using up moves from
the next phase .Moves may only be used for blocks to stop the flurry of blows pummeling the defender .(Picture a boxer being beaten back up against the ropes until
he has no options left but to cover his head and hide from the rain of punches). Defender will of course play the next phase with less moves .(OPTIONAL)


BLOCKING : AVERAGE melee skill +/- modifiers.
When GM announces that attack is on the way –but before result is given- PLAYER MUST ANNOUNCE BLOCK or block is forfeit .
Player may use any number of blocks block pr attack. Defenders number of moves equals number of blocks.(Yes- you can be outgunned).
A roll of 10 is always a failure to block.
A hit with a roll of a natural 1 must be blocked by a natural 1 (OPTIONAL)
.When rolling block opponents “attack difficulty level” must be matched.( OPTIONAL)
(See “called shots”). EXAMPLE : rolling a block for an attack that is difficult requires making a difficult block roll.

IF SKILL + MODIFIER IS GREATER THAN 10 WHEN BLOCKING : 10 is always a failure – but considering the advantage the GM determines result.
It can be a hit ( on a high GM roll for failure result or for instance a block that hurts giving the character some dmg to blocking limb etc. A natural roll of 1 needs a block
Roll of 1 .

2. Number of moves equals skill/ divided by a balancing variable , and then rounded up or down.
This regards melee moves only. Drawing a weapon etc as pr core rules. No moves can be carried over to the next phase. (See desperate blocks)

3. Melee skill/Melee disciplines :is divided into UNARMED : box, kick, grapple.(for instance boxing, tae kwon do ,judo). And ARMED: blades,clubs,polearms. Players
choose specialization and allocate the points and receive ½ points in the other disciplines.

UNARMED MELEE NUMBER OF ATTACKS :
BOXING : SKILL / 2 ROUND UP skill 9 = 5 attacks BOXING DAMAGE SKILLxSTRENGTH / 20 ROUND UP
KICKING : SKILL / 3 ROUND DOWN skill 9 = 3 attacks KICKING DAMAGE SKILL x STRENGHT / 10 ROUND DOWN
GRAPPLING : SKILL / 3 ROUND DOWN skill 9 = 3 attacks GRAPPLING DAMAGE SKILL x STRENGTH /10 ROUND TO CLOSEST#.

4 .DAMAGE/RESULT CALCULATION:

ARMED: weapon stats determine dmg. NB! Critical damage rules apply to armed melee attacks.

UNARMED:
BOXING / PUNCHES: skill X STR / 20 round up = dmg (max dmg is 5)
Called shots to specific locations etc - one level higher difficulty.Used when prone-1 level more difficult

KICKS : skill X STR / 10 round down = dmg (max dmg is 10) Called shots to specific location etc –one level higher difficulty. Used when prone 1 level more difficult

GRAPPLES : skill X STR / 10 = No# of CONTROLING HITS ( CH) or DAMAGE POINTS ( HP) round to closest number.

Once CH is GREATER than opponents GRAPPLE SKILL OR STR ,( defenders choice ) ,opponent is subdued and held.
Grappler may commence hurting pinned opponent in subsequent phases/available attacks –substituting CH for dmg points .
Called shots etc one level higher difficulty. (Ex. throws, instant locks)

CLOSING THE DISTANCE : If standing , a grappler must close the distance with defender before grappling attacks can be used .A defender may choose to move ahead of the approaching grappler as long as there is enough room . KICK/BOX style fighters may still attack if they are not retreating before the advancing grappler.
To close the distance the grappler must use a CLINCHING technique (see clinching / unclinching ) OR Get the defender “up against the ropes “
so that he can close the distance anyways.

ESCAPING a lock /grappling attack : Defender can counter with a grappling attack of his own .( Blocking in kick/box fights )
.If his attacks generates more CH than the attackers Defender will now be locking the Attacker in a reversal of the situation.
The counter attack is equal to the block in other fighting styles.
Again , once CH exceeds opponents grappling skill or STRENGTH , target is pinned/locked. Subsequent CH may be substituted for damage points by attacker .

Defender may also try to escape using attributes STR/AG. Number of moves again equals unarmed melee moves within the discipline.

STRENGTH / DIFFICULT
or
AGILITY / AVERAGE

Such escapes ,(STR/AG), will not give CH as far as any offense is concerned and any CH accumulated is considered “escape points only”. Once escape points exceeds
Attackers CH , defender is free of the lock .He may still be within attack range for grappling attacks .To get away he needs to “unclinch” or be able to move out of
grappling range.

CHOKE HOLDS : choking the defender means cutting the bloodstream to the brain and depriving it of oxygen. It is considered a called shot to the head.

Calculating damage /result for chokeholds : If attack is successful –i.e . CH points are scored , roll 1D6 and add to the CH result .If the figure is higher than defenders
CONSTITUTION score ,defender will black out an equal number of SECONDS/MOVES to the margin result exceeded CON. Attacker may of course continue the attack
Against unconscious defender and unopposed gain more CH -and ultimately choke the defender to death .(Automatic hit )
Death occurs when constant choke hold damage has been applied to defender for as many MINUTES as CON/2.
NB! Choking damage is temporary and will be reset to original level if hold is broken and defender gets oxygen again .

GRAPPLING SPECIAL ATTACKS: the attacks that instantly hurts opponent by breaking bones, ripping sinews etc are
VERY DIFFICULT = skill / 4 .
(Example : snapping the neck like Arnold in commando.)

In such cases CH is applied directly as Controlling Hits AND damage points in the same move .Blocking rules are normal .



5.SPECIAL ATTACKS ,TECHNIQUES AND CALLED SHOTS:


SPECIAL ATTACKS : some Martial Arts have expert attacks that instantly decides a fight .These can be summed up as doing 2 times the damage but require twice as many
moves. Such attacks therefore require that attacker has at least 2 attacks pr phase.Meaning melee skill: 6 or more-a fairly high expertise in martial arts.
Headquarters allow no such attacks without proper “MANGAFICATION”-this entails calling your shot in an evil/heroic voice by boldly invoking the name of the technique.
Name must reflect type of attack and few superlatives that fit. Then the player details his move .Example :
“Glorious fist of the Righteous Wrath!!”…”My PC draws back his fist ,filling the punch with momentum by the inch and releases with the ancient Kiai a devastating blow”
Other examples include hitting more than 1 target pr attack or blocking a sword blade by clapping your hands against the flatside .
Failure to enthusiastically MANGAFY will result in a MALL NINJA MOVE and botch the attack- but still expend the moves. Yes, it takes a martial artist to do it.
Specified hitlocation means one level more difficult roll.

GRAPPLING SPECIAL ATTACKS: the attacks that instantly hurts opponent by breaking bones, ripping sinews etc are VERY DIFFICULT = skill / 4 .
(Example : snapping the neck like Arnold in commando.) CH /DMG points apply at the same time .


ARMED MELEE SPECIALS: some weapons have special attacks listed –usually one or two levels more difficult for special result. Consult weaponsdoc.
Example : three section staff,twohanded sword,halberd, swordbreakers etc



TECHNIQUES: several exist .
A) Clinch /Unclinch : Character uses all moves as blocks and tries to close the distance .If successful opponents end up in a clinch.
* The defender may choose to stand his ground and let attacks rain down on the attacker trying to go into a clinch. Attacker may block only .
*The Clinch /Unclinch competition is solved by rolling against skill used in fight – better margins win. Different styles is of no consequence here .
*Unclinch /un- closing the distance is the opposite but follows the same rules. If one side is trying to clinch and the other un-clinch ,no attacks are made.

B) Defensive stance : Player announces before phase starts.+1 to blocks- character goes up against the ropes and digs in. All moves tied up as blocks.

C)

TWO WEAPONSTYLE: a separate skill that allows for a max of 5 attacks ( skill level twoweaponstyle / 2 round down ) Can never exceed base armed skill.
XP must be allotted in usual manner starting from 1 . A normal skill that must be taught and developed.

Both weapons must be fast and agile meaning more than 3 attacks pr phase.

CALLED SHOTS : A character may try special moves or called shots- these are one level more difficult .
Attacking a certain body part or location –DIFFICULT (Attack to head specific – difficult D10 roll).


6. SITUATIONAL MODIFIERS :
Terrain,footing,weather,vegetation,crowds higher ground etc all make variables that modifies all of the above. GMs dicretion and collective mind analyzis apply.

7. MIXED FIGHTING STYLE BATTLES :
Invariably , fighters of different disciplines will square off .To try to portray the realism of a fight through paper rules will not succeed. As a simulation of the variables
The following rules apply :

Players wishing to use a MMA / mixed fighting style are free to do so ( kick-punch-grapple combo for example) .
Number of moves equals lowest move-count disciplines used.
(Skill 10 grapple and skill 6 in kicking with a kick – grapple combo = 2 moves /kick is lowest move-count dicipline)

If prone or grounded KICKING or BOXING style fighting will be impaired by a penalty of :all attacks 1 level more difficult.

If standing , a grappler must close the distance with defender before grappling attacks can be used .A defender may choose to move ahead of the approaching grappler
as long as there is enough room . KICK/BOX style fighters may still attack if they are NOT retreating before the advancing grappler.If the attacker tries to clinch –see CLINCH /UNCLINCH rules.

To close the distance the grappler must use a CLINCHING technique (see clinching / unclinching )

OR

Get the defender “up against the ropes “ so that he can close the distance anyways.

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Old 05-26-2009, 07:00 AM
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Default hmmm latest rulechange....

A bit late with rulechanges in my opinion , but I'd guess the pc in question needs it.....

On the other hand I actually liked the new addons/modifications
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Old 05-28-2009, 05:48 AM
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Default Countdown to knucklefest

For the record - I have asked general Pain to NPC the promoter/master of seremonies during the match , so a well versed UFC knowledgeable commentary can be expected .

Both general Pain and the Devil are further more expected to do rule commitee duty ,so that no one shall be able to say that the GM is guilty of bias .

not long now...
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