Motoring after the Apocalypse

[Mohoender]

Hello people, I'll use an older type of FWD (jeep, land rover, toyota or russian). You know? the simple type that you can make run with your belt. As I already said I'll choose a diesel if possible that I can make run with no gasoline.

Hummers are nice looking but as soon as you hit a mountain range with no wide road they make me laugh like crazy. . With the most modern type of civilian FWD (whatever the brand), you'll quickly end up with a nice christmas tree that doesn't go anywhere as soon as the electronic is failing (and that will be soon). That is if it starts at all of course. If you haven't seen it, you should watch the french movie "le Salaire de la Peur", an old movie from 1953.

I used to spent a lot of time off road in Portugal. Therefore, if someone owns an UMM Alter around, I'll be glad to steal that. May be the best jeep on earth (the most uncomfortable also). I would also love to be Swedish as they have access to Pinzgauers, or German: Unimogs. If I'm stuck in France, I'll go for the old Citroën 2CV, one of its derivative or an older Peugeot: almost immortals (A good hammer and you make it work).

About the 2CV my father found one in the last house he bought, 15 years ago. It was a 1952 model that had not ran for at least 20 years, forgotten under a wood pile. It was still running with a top speed of 30 miles/h, but running, and it still does (never went to a mechanic as it was fixed by the farmer next door).

[Nowhere Man 1966]

Originally Posted by Mohoender

Hello people, I'll use an older type of FWD (jeep, land rover, toyota or russian). You know? the simple type that you can make run with your belt. As I already said I'll choose a diesel if possible that I can make run with no gasoline.

Hummers are nice looking but as soon as you hit a mountain range with no wide road they make me laugh like crazy. . With the most modern type of civilian FWD (whatever the brand), you'll quickly end up with a nice christmas tree that doesn't go anywhere as soon as the electronic is failing (and that will be soon). That is if it starts at all of course. If you haven't seen it, you should watch the french movie "le Salaire de la Peur", an old movie from 1953.

I used to spent a lot of time off road in Portugal. Therefore, if someone owns an UMM Alter around, I'll be glad to steal that. May be the best jeep on earth (the most uncomfortable also). I would also love to be Swedish as they have access to Pinzgauers, or German: Unimogs. If I'm stuck in France, I'll go for the old Citroën 2CV, one of its derivative or an older Peugeot: almost immortals (A good hammer and you make it work).

About the 2CV my father found one in the last house he bought, 15 years ago. It was a 1952 model that had not ran for at least 20 years, forgotten under a wood pile. It was still running with a top speed of 30 miles/h, but running, and it still does (never went to a mechanic as it was fixed by the farmer next door).

A quick detour, I was going to act like a loonie and say "a Smart Car" painted up like Pac-Man with the "wokka, wokka, wokka" sound effect.

I was thinking the same thing, a 2CV. Interesting car, not many here in the U.S. though. A Volkwswagen Beetle, the older ones, wouldn't be too bad, the World War II Germans used the chassis for their staff cars, IIRC, VW had one called "A Thing" that resembled a 1970's looking Kubelwagen. Stateside, well, maybe a Chevy Cavalier or its related vehicles, lots of parts, easy on fuel. Military, I guess a Hummer. I prefer wheels over tracks, easier to maintain, if you throw a track and can't fix it, you're cooked. Of course, I'd also have a geiger counter to steer clear of hot areas. Also, if you had to make your own fuel, it would take less time to fill up a 2CV or Chevy, a little more for a Hummer maybe, but a tracked vehicle would be like a bottomless pit.

If you're an old car buff a Model T (1908- 1927) or Model A (1928 - 1934?) Ford would be nice, they are flex fuel too, made that way.

Chuck M.

[copeab]

1965 convertible Mustang, black with red and silver stripes

[Earthpig]

A canoe. Rivers have always been the "highways" of a nonindustrial world. You can carry a canoe across land (portage) to the next river/lake. If you need food just fish off the canoe. It is quiet so you wont necessarily scare game away or draw attention to yourself. Hole up during the day travel at night, there you go.

[Nowhere Man 1966]

Originally Posted by Earthpig

A canoe. Rivers have always been the "highways" of a nonindustrial world. You can carry a canoe across land (portage) to the next river/lake. If you need food just fish off the canoe. It is quiet so you wont necessarily scare game away or draw attention to yourself. Hole up during the day travel at night, there you go.

Hmmm, if you want motorized form of transport, a "SEEP" (amphibious jeep) would be cool and if you can make enough fuel, an amphibious DUKW (Duck" with 6 wheels) would even be better. Would be cool to make a motorhome out of a DUKW too and it would double as a houseboat. I even saw a late 1940's era magazine that suggested turning a DUKW into an RV. There was also a civilian "Amphibicar" made in Germany too, early 1960's, one of our local radio stations had one back then too.

Chuck M.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Nowhere Man 1966

Hmmm, if you want motorized form of transport, a "SEEP" (amphibious jeep) would be cool and if you can make enough fuel, an amphibious DUKW (Duck" with 6 wheels) would even be better. Would be cool to make a motorhome out of a DUKW too and it would double as a houseboat. I even saw a late 1940's era magazine that suggested turning a DUKW into an RV. There was also a civilian "Amphibicar" made in Germany too, early 1960's, one of our local radio stations had one back then too.

Chuck M.

I have always wondered what happened to the DUKWs that are used for tourism in the Wisconsin Dells, in the T2k world. I think there are about 100. I remember during the tour they discussed that they used their own machine shops to manufacture parts as they are difficult to find. This bodes well for their continued operation.

Game wise they might have been commandeered by the 1st Brigade 49th Armored as they would have passed through the dells on their way from Chicago to Fort McCoy. Perhaps they were then used by the division for transport down the Mississippi once the division was directed against the Mexican forces.

[firewalker]

dog cart with real dog's, or goat cart (those son'bit live on anything).

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by kato13

I have always wondered what happened to the DUKWs that are used for tourism in the Wisconsin Dells, in the T2k world. I think there are about 100. I remember during the tour they discussed that they used their own machine shops to manufacture parts as they are difficult to find. This bodes well for their continued operation.

Game wise they might have been commandeered by the 1st Brigade 49th Armored as they would have passed through the dells on their way from Chicago to Fort McCoy. Perhaps they were then used by the division for transport down the Mississippi once the division was directed against the Mexican forces.

You'll find several also in Boston and I'm sure that a number of Russian version (BAV-485, I think) are still running. By the way I just watched the movie "second civil war" yesterday. They had an interesting idea about old type equipments that would be used again (M24 chaffee, M4 Sherman). That was developped in T2K but I would expect to find some of these all over. Not only seep but also jeep, beep, half-track..., the rare Schwimmwagen also

[spielmeister]

Originally Posted by kato13

I have always wondered what happened to the DUKWs that are used for tourism in the Wisconsin Dells, in the T2k world. I think there are about 100. I remember during the tour they discussed that they used their own machine shops to manufacture parts as they are difficult to find. This bodes well for their continued operation.

Game wise they might have been commandeered by the 1st Brigade 49th Armored as they would have passed through the dells on their way from Chicago to Fort McCoy. Perhaps they were then used by the division for transport down the Mississippi once the division was directed against the Mexican forces.

Speaking of DUKWs, I've seen a few of them still running somewhere near where I live. There's a district northeast of Manila called Malabon where my wife's family hails from. It floods there almost 24/7, mostly due to a combination of its low-lying location next to the sea and the choked up estuaries and canals which are not enough to drain the water from the streets.

I drove my wife over there once and saw what her relatives termed as an 'amphibian'. Upon closer observation, I noted that it was a modified DUKW. It seems the local businessmen bought up a lot of old US-issue mil vehicles and used them for their fishing operations.

[Nowhere Man 1966]

Originally Posted by Earthpig

A canoe. Rivers have always been the "highways" of a nonindustrial world. You can carry a canoe across land (portage) to the next river/lake. If you need food just fish off the canoe. It is quiet so you wont necessarily scare game away or draw attention to yourself. Hole up during the day travel at night, there you go.

How about an amphibious, wheeled canoe? I mean it could be like the one James Bond had in Moonraker. Well, it was actually a Venetian Gondola but the same idea applies.

Chuck M.

[pmulcahy11b]

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Sorry, considering the name of the thread, I couldn't resist...

[Twilight2000v3MM]

North America - good old fashion pick up truck and the brand depends on how manypoeple and gear I need to carry. 2-3 peeps - pre-82 toyota. 4+ or all big boys pre fuel injected American 3/4 ton.

[Snake Eyes]

Originally Posted by Nowhere Man 1966

A Volkwswagen Beetle, the older ones, wouldn't be too bad, the World War II Germans used the chassis for their staff cars, IIRC, VW had one called "A Thing" that resembled a 1970's looking Kubelwagen.

Originally Posted by Earthpig

A canoe. Rivers have always been the "highways" of a nonindustrial world. You can carry a canoe across land (portage) to the next river/lake. If you need food just fish off the canoe. It is quiet so you wont necessarily scare game away or draw attention to yourself. Hole up during the day travel at night, there you go.

Good points. So . . . I think I'm going with a late 60's or early 70's Baja Bug conversion with a canoe (or maybe a kayak) in a roof rack.