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Old 06-23-2009, 12:14 AM
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US - 5th Infantry Division (Mechanized) in relation to allied units

224.8 km W of Soviet - 10th Guards Tank Division
225.8 km S of Polish - 2nd Polish Free Legion (ex-10th BGB)
267.0 km E of West German - 27th Panzer Division
285.7 km SxSE of US - 2nd Marine Division
291.6 km SE of US - 116th Armored Cavalry Regiment
292.5 km SxSE of Polish - 4th Mechanized Infantry Brigade
316.1 km SxSE of US - 50th Armored Division
324.7 km E of US - 3rd Infantry Division (Mechanized)
326.9 km ExNE of US - 6th Infantry Division (Light)
350.7 km E of British - II Corps
383.4 km ExSE of East German - 21st Panzergrenadier Division
398.1 km E of West German - 2nd Panzergrenadier Division
401.9 km E of West German - II Corps
401.1 km ExNE of West German - 211th Panzergrenadier Division
406.5 km ExNE of West German - 28th Panzergrenadier Division
438.2 km SE of West German - 6th Panzergrenadier Division
428.6 km E of US - I Corps
428.9 km ExNE of US - 4th Infantry Division (Mechanized)
444.0 km E of British - 4th Armoured Division
438.7 km ExNE of US - 1st Infantry Division (Mechanized)
461.1 km ExNE of US - 28th Infantry Division
460.8 km NW of Soviet - 27th Tank Division
460.9 km ExNE of US - 36th Infantry Division
471.3 km NxNE of West German - V Corps
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Old 06-23-2009, 12:16 AM
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Whoops just noticed that the 1 Polish free Legion is not allied. That is why it is in a pre-Alpha stage.
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Where have you placed the 2nd Marines? As part of the offensive they were to have conducted amphibious landings in the area between (roughly) Gdansk and Elblag - across the river esturies of northern Poland.
See http://forum.juhlin.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=14 which was written after many hours of intensive research of the canon resources.

With them there, I'm guessing they might actually be the closest NATO unit to the 5th....
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Old 06-23-2009, 12:26 AM
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Whoops just noticed that the 1 Polish free Legion is not allied. That is why it is in a pre-Alpha stage.
B Coy of 116 ACR isn't shown either. At that date I believe they're somewhere in transit to teh south of the 5th.
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Where have you placed the 2nd Marines? .
I have them at Bialogard, Poland (Think I pulled that from Going home.)

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Bialog...41&z=8&iwloc=A

Out of the 610 canon units I have processed so far, I was able to find some specific location for like 585 of them. In general this does not represent a specific point in time just a location where a unit can be pinned down. In general I went with the earliest dates I could find for a unit. I appreciate any input though and will make tweaks.

I will be honest I first decided to build this system when I expected to have complete data from the DC group and the ability to ask questions. At best partial data is all that is going to be possible from canon information.

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I have them at Bialogard, Poland (Think I pulled that from Going home.)
Heh, you've run into the issue I warned you about a week or so back about the positions stated in various sources (particularly the 2.0/2.2 map) not being correct for a set date (some units are in pre July 2000 positions, others in post).

The positions marked for XI Corps are at the end of the offensive once everything fell apart and the Corp tried to withdraw back to Germany. While researching the above "history" of the offensive, I could find no reason why the 2nd would not have completed their landings before the 5th were hit, in fact it's my considered opinion they were one of the first units to move with the task of both securing the coastline as well as protecting the northern flank of the 8th (and the offensive as a whole). Only once the offensive was deemed to have failed due to massive Pact counteroffensive would they have withdrawn, effectively abandoning the 8th and the scattered remnants of the 5th.
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Heh, you've run into the issue I warned you about a week or so back about the positions stated in various sources (particularly the 2.0/2.2 map) not being correct for a set date (some units are in pre July 2000 positions, others in post).
The best solution I could come up with was allowing a user to select which source (Module/Sourcebook/Rulebook) they wanted, but IMO that violates the spirit of fair use and I don't want to go down that path. You also have the problem of "Northern Poland" being all the information available for like 20 units.

If anyone wants to submit a variation I will be happy to add it to the system. I am probably going to add Mohoender full OOBs as a selectable option. Currently I have Canon (All but Mexico i think), DC working group (Czech only), and Turboswede (Poland only may work on Mexico but units are generically placed)

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Attached is the unit data I have compiled so far. Hope someone might find it useful.
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