Non-Morrow Project Weapons

[Matt W]

nb 2 thoughts

1 What's the standard or near standard Krell weapon? It's never mentioned in any supplement they turn up in.

I would suggest that Krell probably use cheap shotguns for most troops - and ex-Project stuff for their more experienced people. So lots of Hp-35 pistols, Uzis and the MAC-10

2 When societies use muskets, do they come with ball or milieu bullets?

If a group uses muskets, they would use ball. As far as I know, the Minié bullet only works with a rifled barrel

[mmartin798]

Originally Posted by Matt W

f a group uses muskets, they would use ball. As far as I know, the Minié bullet only works with a rifled barrel

Minié bullets can be used in smooth bore muskets. They benefit with a higher muzzle velocity, but the round itself in no more accurate, some claim less accurate as it will not be spin stabilized.

[ChalkLine]

Non-Morrow Project Weapons
The following weapons are found in the USA in quantity and the stats given are survivals from before the apocalypse. For a post-apocalypse low pressure weapon multiply the E Factor and range by 0.8

AK-47 or AKM, Kalishnakov
A basic 7.62x39 version of the Kalishnakov family. This weapon is made from many pressed steel components which makes adding sights difficult. A gunsmith/fitter can make a milled upper or bridge from the lower which will accept a sight rail as an average task.
Many post apocalyptic versions will only fire semi automatically. These can be converted to fully automatic fire with an average machining roll and 0.1kg steel

Name AK-47 or AKM
Cal 7.62 x 39
E Factor 16
WT. (Empty) 3.47kg
Barrel 41.5cm
Length 88cm (64.5cm with folding stock)
Eff. Range 350m
Max. Range 800m
Type of Fire Automatic or Semi Auto
Rate of Fire
- Semi Automatic 40rpm
- Full Automatic100rpm (Cyclic)600rpm
Feed Device 30 rd magazine
Feed Device Wt. 0.43kg
Basic Load 6 magazines
Load Wt. 3.74kg
Total Wt. 6.32kg
MP Deployment Not deployed

SKS
A precursor to the AK-47, this weapon is more accurate but only fires semi automatically. There is a 60% chance that the weapon has a milled receiver.

Name SKS
Cal 7.62 x 39
E Factor 16
WT. (Empty) 3.85kg
Barrel 52cm
Length 102cm
Eff. Range 500m
Max. Range 800m
Type of Fire Semi Auto
Rate of Fire
- Semi Automatic 40rpm
Feed Device 10 rd integral magazine, 10rd stripper clips
Feed Device Wt. .16kg
Basic Load 6 stripper clips in pouches
Load Wt. 3.85kg
Total Wt. 8.2kg
MP Deployment Not Deployed

Note that there is an 85% chance the weapon is fitted with a folding bayonet of either the spike or blade variety

M1911 pistol
This weapon is extremely abundant. Most notably the weapon is very slim thus will not make much of a bulge when hidden under clothing.

Name M1911
Cal 11.5x32.4mm (.45 ACP)
E Factor 10 (?)
WT. (Empty) 1.1kg
Barrel 12.7cm
Length 21cm
Eff. Range 50m
Max. Range 100m
Type of Fire Semi Auto
Rate of Fire
- Semi Automatic 30rpm
Feed Device 7 rd magazine
Feed Device Wt. 0.3kg
Basic Load 2 magazines
Load Wt. 0.6kg
Total Wt. 1.7kg
MP Deployment Not Deployed

FN FAL Battle Rifle
Once known as 'The Right Arm of the Free World' this weapon is a stalwart favourite. They have a variety of magazines available but this entry depicts the issue 20rd box magazine and this weapon accepts standard NATO 20 round magazines such as those used in the M14.

Name FN FAL
Cal 7.62 x 51
E Factor 17
WT. (Empty) 4.3kg
Barrel 53.3cm
Length 109cm (84.5.5cm with folding stock)
Eff. Range 650m
Max. Range 1500m
Type of Fire Automatic or Semi Auto
Rate of Fire
- Semi Automatic 30rpm
- Full Automatic 80rpm (Cyclic)700rpm
Feed Device 20 rd magazine
Feed Device Wt. 0.75kg
Basic Load 6 magazines
Load Wt. 4.5kg
Total Wt. 8.8
MP Deployment Not Deployed

M1 Carbine
A small proto-PDW from WW2 firing what is in essence a large pistol round which was actually designed from the ground up as a carbine round. The M1 comes with a 15 rd or 30rd magazine. The M2 was fully auto but is unlikely to be found although stats are provided. This weapon has essentially no felt recoil and thus is suitable for small framed shooter. It is physically quite small and was issued to truck drivers among many others. This weapon does not have a bayonet lug

Name M1 Carbine
Cal 7.62 x 33 (.30 Carbine)
E Factor 12
WT. (Empty) 2.4kg
Barrel 46cm
Length 90cm
Eff. Range 200m
Max. Range 800m
Type of Fire Automatic (M2 only) or Semi Auto
Rate of Fire
- Semi Automatic 40rpm
- Full Automatic 50rpm (Cyclic) 900rpm
Feed Device 15 rd magazine (30rd magazine)
Feed Device Wt. 0.3kg
Basic Load 3 15rd magazines, 2 15rd magazines in pouch on weapon's butt
Load Wt. 0.9kg
Total Wt. 3.3kg
MP Deployment Not Deployed

SVD Marksman Rifle, 'Dragunov'
A popular Russian import, the SVD is also equipped with a bayonet and a standard issue scope (that can be removed and has its own pouch. The sight, the PSO-1, is capable of detecting infra-red illuminators but cannot be used to see in the IR spectrum

Name SVD Marksman Rifle
Cal 7.62 x 54R
E Factor 17
WT. (Empty) 4.3kg (with scope)
Barrel 62cm
Length 122.5cm
Eff. Range 1300m
Max. Range 1600m
Type of Fire Automatic or Semi Auto
Rate of Fire
- Semi Automatic 30rpm
Feed Device 10rd magazine
Feed Device Wt. 0.3kg
Basic Load 5 magazines
Load Wt. 1.5kg
Total Wt. 5.8kg
MP Deployment Not Deployed

[.45cultist]

Originally Posted by ChalkLine

Non-Morrow Project Weapons
The following weapons are found in the USA in quantity and the stats given are survivals from before the apocalypse. For a post-apocalypse low pressure weapon multiply the E Factor and range by 0.8

AK-47 or AKM, Kalishnakov
A basic 7.62x39 version of the Kalishnakov family. This weapon is made from many pressed steel components which makes adding sights difficult. A gunsmith/fitter can make a milled upper or bridge from the lower which will accept a sight rail as an average task.
Many post apocalyptic versions will only fire semi automatically. These can be converted to fully automatic fire with an average machining roll and 0.1kg steel

Name AK-47 or AKM
Cal 7.62 x 39
E Factor 16
WT. (Empty) 3.47kg
Barrel 41.5cm
Length 88cm (64.5cm with folding stock)
Eff. Range 350m
Max. Range 800m
Type of Fire Automatic or Semi Auto
Rate of Fire
- Semi Automatic 40rpm
- Full Automatic100rpm (Cyclic)600rpm
Feed Device 30 rd magazine
Feed Device Wt. 0.43kg
Basic Load 6 magazines
Load Wt. 3.74kg
Total Wt. 6.32kg
MP Deployment Not deployed

SKS
A precursor to the AK-47, this weapon is more accurate but only fires semi automatically. There is a 60% chance that the weapon has a milled receiver.

Name SKS
Cal 7.62 x 39
E Factor 16
WT. (Empty) 3.85kg
Barrel 52cm
Length 102cm
Eff. Range 500m
Max. Range 800m
Type of Fire Semi Auto
Rate of Fire
- Semi Automatic 40rpm
Feed Device 10 rd integral magazine, 10rd stripper clips
Feed Device Wt. .16kg
Basic Load 6 stripper clips in pouches
Load Wt. 3.85kg
Total Wt. 8.2kg
MP Deployment Not Deployed

Note that there is an 85% chance the weapon is fitted with a folding bayonet of either the spike or blade variety

M1911 pistol
This weapon is extremely abundant. Most notably the weapon is very slim thus will not make much of a bulge when hidden under clothing.

Name M1911
Cal 11.5x32.4mm (.45 ACP)
E Factor 10 (?)
WT. (Empty) 1.1kg
Barrel 12.7cm
Length 21cm
Eff. Range 50m
Max. Range 100m
Type of Fire Semi Auto
Rate of Fire
- Semi Automatic 30rpm
Feed Device 7 rd magazine
Feed Device Wt. 0.3kg
Basic Load 2 magazines
Load Wt. 0.6kg
Total Wt. 1.7kg
MP Deployment Not Deployed

FN FAL Battle Rifle
Once known as 'The Right Arm of the Free World' this weapon is a stalwart favourite. They have a variety of magazines available but this entry depicts the issue 20rd box magazine and this weapon accepts standard NATO 20 round magazines such as those used in the M14.

Name FN FAL
Cal 7.62 x 51
E Factor 17
WT. (Empty) 4.3kg
Barrel 53.3cm
Length 109cm (84.5.5cm with folding stock)
Eff. Range 650m
Max. Range 1500m
Type of Fire Automatic or Semi Auto
Rate of Fire
- Semi Automatic 30rpm
- Full Automatic 80rpm (Cyclic)700rpm
Feed Device 20 rd magazine
Feed Device Wt. 0.75kg
Basic Load 6 magazines
Load Wt. 4.5kg
Total Wt. 8.8
MP Deployment Not Deployed

M1 Carbine
A small proto-PDW from WW2 firing what is in essence a large pistol round which was actually designed from the ground up as a carbine round. The M1 comes with a 15 rd or 30rd magazine. The M2 was fully auto but is unlikely to be found although stats are provided. This weapon has essentially no felt recoil and thus is suitable for small framed shooter. It is physically quite small and was issued to truck drivers among many others. This weapon does not have a bayonet lug

Name M1 Carbine
Cal 7.62 x 33 (.30 Carbine)
E Factor 12
WT. (Empty) 2.4kg
Barrel 46cm
Length 90cm
Eff. Range 200m
Max. Range 800m
Type of Fire Automatic (M2 only) or Semi Auto
Rate of Fire
- Semi Automatic 40rpm
- Full Automatic 50rpm (Cyclic) 900rpm
Feed Device 15 rd magazine (30rd magazine)
Feed Device Wt. 0.3kg
Basic Load 3 15rd magazines, 2 15rd magazines in pouch on weapon's butt
Load Wt. 0.9kg
Total Wt. 3.3kg
MP Deployment Not Deployed

SVD Marksman Rifle, 'Dragunov'
A popular Russian import, the SVD is also equipped with a bayonet and a standard issue scope (that can be removed and has its own pouch. The sight, the PSO-1, is capable of detecting infra-red illuminators but cannot be used to see in the IR spectrum

Name SVD Marksman Rifle
Cal 7.62 x 54R
E Factor 17
WT. (Empty) 4.3kg (with scope)
Barrel 62cm
Length 122.5cm
Eff. Range 1300m
Max. Range 1600m
Type of Fire Automatic or Semi Auto
Rate of Fire
- Semi Automatic 30rpm
Feed Device 10rd magazine
Feed Device Wt. 0.3kg
Basic Load 5 magazines
Load Wt. 1.5kg
Total Wt. 5.8kg
MP Deployment Not Deployed

M1911 has an E-Factor 8 with M1911 ball, 7 with lower velocity practice ammo. E-factor of 9,10 with HP and Speer Lawman 185, 200 gr loads. For a society that makes the M1911/A1 a pointed pewter E-Factor 10 load is possible(148gr@1100fps) to ruin careless PC's coveralls. It is a gimmick round. One can also copy the old Remington-Peters Metal Piercing police round, 173gr zinc core pointed jacket bullet at 1140fps.

[rcaf_777]

Originally Posted by ChalkLine

Non-Morrow Project Weapons
M1 Carbine
A small proto-PDW from WW2 firing what is, in essence, a large pistol round which was actually designed from the ground up as a carbine round. The M1 comes with a 15 round or 30 round magazines. The M2 was fully auto but is unlikely to be found although stats are provided. This weapon has essentially no felt recoil and thus is suitable for the small framed shooter. It is physically quite small and was issued to truck drivers among many others. This weapon does not have a bayonet lug

M1 Carbine is still being made and sold today and has been in constant production with one company or another since the early 50's here is good source for post WWII models and producers.

http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbines.html

also what about the Ruger Mini-14 or M1 Garand

[ChalkLine]

Originally Posted by rcaf_777

. . . also what about the Ruger Mini-14 or M1 Garand

I've found out that a mate has a file of nearly all the weapons, I'm just waiting for it

[Project_Sardonicus]

The real issue would be more ammo than the gun? Outside of industrial societies like the KFS it would be nigh on impossible to get high quality ammo that could be used in Maxim style mechanisms. So a savvy foe with musket armed infantry could hold back and wait for them to burn up whatever ammo they had. Possibly leading to them retreating?

I suspect Krell would prefer paper based cartridges as used in early needle guns. More fire power than a musket, but if you've got a member of your team that can make even poor quality gun powder then you're able to stay in the field far longer.

So something more like,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyse_needle_gun

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_pistol

In fact Howdah style pistols were more popular than modern revolvers for quite some time.

Of course each raiding party would have a small collection of veterans equipped with modern weapons stolen from whomever to act as snipers/fire support.