HAAM suits.

[nuke11]

Think when the game was originally developed and what where the sci-fi games at that time to compete with?

Aftermath and Gamma World, there are others, but the names escape me at the moment.

So we have the Blue Undead and HAAM suits and other oddities in the game.

Do they make sense, no in most cases, but they make sense if you are developing a game in that time period.

[cosmicfish]

Originally Posted by nuke11

Do they make sense, no in most cases, but they make sense if you are developing a game in that time period.

The HAAM suit and Blue Undead scream Gamma World to me, but that was the mistake - be distinctive, don't copy! And now is probably not a good time to emulate games that were popular so long ago. TMP 4ed should have no qualms about overwriting the decisions of 3ed and older.

[RandyT0001]

No Blue Undead in 4th edition.

HAAM suits are acceptable because the Project only has about seventy or so, one per Mars 1, one per Science 1, one at each regional command base and one at each of two regional supply bases. With twelve regions that accounts for 48 suits. If PB1 and PB2 each have ten for MARS service or as replacements that makes the total 68.

Most HAAM suits went to the US military (p. 186, 4th ed.). If the WoK were able to secure a US military base (pre-war) where HAAM suits were being issued then WoK might have ten to a hundred suits. After 150 years maybe half survived and are still functional.

[cosmicfish]

Why so few, when they are so unbelievably useful and powerful? And how did the US military get any, I thought they were always a Project invention?

[RandyT0001]

"Most of the production runs of the suit went to the US military. The Project was able to divert and produce a limited number for its own use." Bottom of p. 186, 4th edition TMP core rule book

IMO, the best ratio of diverted HAAM suits would be 10% of the production runs. At that ratio the US military has (had) about 700 suits (maybe an 'armed, armored individual', AAI battalion or five to six SF 'AAI' companies), most located at a secret base. A few might be the original test vehicles of 10 to 100 (squad to company sized unit testing) at a evaluation site of a base separate from the secret base (maybe WoK found out about this location and sacked it just pre-war?). Of course, all might have perished in the attack and only MP has any surviving examples.

[mmartin798]

Originally Posted by cosmicfish

Why so few, when they are so unbelievably useful and powerful? And how did the US military get any, I thought they were always a Project invention?

The most common catalyst used in the direct ethanol fuel cell uses platinum. That alone drives up the costs and scarcity of the power source. If we assume that Morrow Industries was a leader in nanotechnology, they could have yield problems on the nanostructured electrocatalysts made from iron, nickle and cobalt. This too would cause a scarcity problem.

[cosmicfish]

Originally Posted by mmartin798

The most common catalyst used in the direct ethanol fuel cell uses platinum. That alone drives up the costs and scarcity of the power source. If we assume that Morrow Industries was a leader in nanotechnology, they could have yield problems on the nanostructured electrocatalysts made from iron, nickle and cobalt. This too would cause a scarcity problem.

For this kind of application, how much platinum does it need? Right now platinum costs about $31k / kg, and that is not nearly so high to be limiting on something so incredibly useful! Heck, if it used 200kg of the stuff it would still be $6M well spent!

And remember that these things were supposedly in the 1989 loadings, so they had plenty of time afterward to roll some more off the presses!

[mmartin798]

Originally Posted by cosmicfish

For this kind of application, how much platinum does it need? Right now platinum costs about $31k / kg, and that is not nearly so high to be limiting on something so incredibly useful! Heck, if it used 200kg of the stuff it would still be $6M well spent!

And remember that these things were supposedly in the 1989 loadings, so they had plenty of time afterward to roll some more off the presses!

I only list that as one constraint. Myomeric polymers would have been bleeding edge technology. Even if they use cheap materials, it is exceedingly likely that there would be a correspondingly high failure rate with only a small percentage usable in a HAAM suit.

Ultimately, it is likely to be a case where the military sees this materiel at being too valuable to not have oversight in the manufacturing. You can only mark so many nearly complete components as bad and save them from destruction before the military gets suspicious.