Mini-gun on a Humvee?

[Legbreaker]

Absolutely brutalised itself!

[boogiedowndonovan]

Originally Posted by Frank Frey

I guarantee you that once the enemy becomes aware of what you got, they will throw everything at you from ATGM's to flaming monkey poo.

hey if antenna's got stats for a cow flinging trebuchet, how about stats for flaming monkey poo?

[TiggerCCW UK]

@ Legbreaker - The Barley Pickers as NPC's? They could be mechanics in a village somewhere, spending all their time making homemade siege engines of death!

[Legbreaker]

Oh god no! :O

Can you imagine the carnage!?

[TiggerCCW UK]

Two rival villages, fighting over scarce resources. One led by the Barley Pickers, the other led by Colonel Dick and the Brothers in Arms. It'd make the TDM look like a cracked window.....

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by TiggerCCW UK

Two rival villages, fighting over scarce resources. One led by the Barley Pickers, the other led by Colonel Dick and the Brothers in Arms. It'd make the TDM look like a cracked window.....

Who are these people? I've never heard of them.

[TiggerCCW UK]

They're two of the most successful and entertaining teams from Scrapheap Challenge here in the UK. The Barley Pickers were a group of farmers and the Brothers in Arms were a team of brothers who were all (I think) in the army. Colonel Dick was the eldest and was either REME or Royal Engineers, can't remember which.

[Legbreaker]

And now, after years of suspense, we give you the Barley Pickers and their "Car Flinger"!
To give you an idea of scale, the A frame is made from telegraph poles, and the car they're throwing is a Mini.
It was built by four men in twenty hours.





The, umm, "safety chain" snagged and it couldn't handle the stresses...

[Tegyrius]

Originally Posted by TiggerCCW UK

Thats the Avenger from the A-10 isn't it? Could it theoretically be given a ground mount?

Theoretically.



- C.

[Rockwolf66]

Well back on the origional topic...for now.

I've got the Osprey book on Special Operations Patrol Vehicles and inside they have a couple of images of a HMMWV packing a Minigun. Alededly they are used for counter ambush when running in a convoy. The guns themselves are geared to only 2,000~3,000 rpm so you arn't shooting 100 rounds a second but it still eats ammo like a hog. Apparently someone remembered that gunmen who will stay and fight against a M2HB will run from a minigun. They found that out after mounting miniguns on PBR in Vietnam. the only real issue with a minigun besideshow much ammo it uses is that it has limited penitration compared to a Ma Duce.

[kiltedguard]

Ok....I'm going to put this down....

Can they? Yes.

Do you need a "turtle back" with a ring turret? No

During the battle of Fallujah, I was watching CNN and eating breakfast. I was seeing some of the footage of the street fighting and I almost choked to death with I saw an M998 with armor plates welded to the side of it. A twin mini-gun mount on a pintle bolted to the center of the bed, crewed by two marines. One of shoveling the brass out the back of the truck as they backed out into the street...the gunner hosed (I use this term because the guns did dance around a bit) and then pull back into the alley where they had cover. I never saw anything like it again. There is plenty of room for tons of ammo, and depending how close your ammo supply is to get more...you'll be good. But monster excessive? Maybe.

I do see them mounted on 1141 or 1151 armored HMMWVs. You can pretty much fill the whole trunk with ammo. Intelligent design of your ammo supply system is a must. If you don't have the sleeve that guides the chains into the weapon...yer screwed.

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by Tegyrius

Theoretically.



- C.

*mmmm*


Tasty Avenger.

I still say putting one of those on a M1 Chassis in the AD role will make about every pilot ever born change his or her drawers the moment they hear about it.

[rcaf_777]

There is also

Counter Rocket, Artillery, and Mortar, abbreviated C-RAM or Counter-RAM, is a system used to detect and/or destroy incoming artillery, rockets and mortar rounds in the air before they hit their ground targets, or simply provide early warning.

C-RAM is effectively a land version of weapons such as the Phalanx CIWS radar controlled rapid-fire gun for close in protection of vessels from missiles.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-RAM

I know it was developed in 2005, but give the age of Phalanx CIWS I think something could seen in TW 2000 timeline

I think you could see the GAU-8/A Avenger mounted on a make shift frame of some short durring TW 2000, perhaps a Abrams or Bradley?

[kato13]

Originally Posted by rcaf_777

I think you could see the GAU-8/A Avenger mounted on a make shift frame of some short durring TW 2000, perhaps a Abrams or Bradley?

The GAU-8 is Huge



As far as I know the only land mobile concept that was ever conceived (attempted?) was a system consisting of 2 CONEX containers (one gun one ammo) placed on a LCAC. It was to be used to blast away at shore defenses during an amphibious assault.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

There was a podded 3-barreled version tested experimentally on the USAF's failed "A-16" program when they made one of their seemingly endless attempts to dispose of the A-10. It failed; the pod vibrated the aircraft so severely it caused the radar to go into reset mode.

[Panther Al]

And, to make things really interesting, there is a photo floating about of a M60 (M48?) mocked up with the GAU-8 as a possible contender during the Sgt. York trials.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Panther Al

And, to make things really interesting, there is a photo floating about of a M60 (M48?) mocked up with the GAU-8 as a possible contender during the Sgt. York trials.

This does look like a shorter version of the GAU8.

[Panther Al]

Thats the one!

[Adm.Lee]

I can remember being told by someone whose brother was in a National Guard ADA unit, that it needed several men to keep the M741 from vibrating too badly when firing.

Relative to a HMMWV, that seems significant to me.

[James Langham]

It's a real shame in my article on lasers I said the M60 doesn't generate enough power for a PRACTICAL laser, that would have been an ideal pic.

[rcaf_777]

Originally Posted by kato13

The GAU-8 is Huge

Well going off the Specs the total system lenght is 19 ft 10.5 in and the hull lenght of the M1 Abrams is 26.02 ft, removing the Ammo drum and mounting it on seperate trailer would furter reduce the lenght. I think is possible to mount the gun on the tank and run a ammo feed through the turret and out the trailer. The turret would never rotate agian, but you moving the gun by moving the hull. This of course would require alot of work from a bunch of speicalists, but I can see this being used in Europe where damage A-10 and M1's could matted together. It could also happen in states using Hulls and GAU-8/A Avenger parts after the nuclear exchanges, I could espeically see this as the case in states where GE would be envoled in making both weapons systems and would have techincal knowledge.

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by rcaf_777

Well going off the Specs the total system lenght is 19 ft 10.5 in and the hull lenght of the M1 Abrams is 26.02 ft, removing the Ammo drum and mounting it on seperate trailer would furter reduce the lenght. I think is possible to mount the gun on the tank and run a ammo feed through the turret and out the trailer. The turret would never rotate agian, but you moving the gun by moving the hull. This of course would require alot of work from a bunch of speicalists, but I can see this being used in Europe where damage A-10 and M1's could matted together. It could also happen in states using Hulls and GAU-8/A Avenger parts after the nuclear exchanges, I could espeically see this as the case in states where GE would be envoled in making both weapons systems and would have techincal knowledge.

Yes and no...

In a slapdash system, made up of parts left over from ruined machines? Agreed 100%. However, if the time was taken to build brand new, a lot of those issues can be addressed. A lot of the length isn't fixed: A lot of that length is in the ammo feed and storage. The drum alone is 72" long and 36" in diameter, and the barrel is 90.5". So, the barrel length isn't the issue: its the drum. Good news is that its fed via a flexible chute, so it can be redirected. Turn the drum sidewise, place it in the bustle of the Abrams, then mount the gun where the 120 is - its half the length of the cannon after all, and bobs your uncle. The only question is where to stick the 2 77hp electric motors, but I can think of a couple places where they can be tucked.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by James Langham

It's a real shame in my article on lasers I said the M60 doesn't generate enough power for a PRACTICAL laser, that would have been an ideal pic.

Any amount of power will do, if you're charging up ultra-capacitors. The smaller the generator the longer the charge time, but the generators aren't the be-all-and-end-all. A few years ago as a spin-off of research I was doing for my T2K campaign I assembled quite a bit of information about military-grade electricity generation and ultra-capacitor technology. I've put most of it into deep storage but there are afew articles I've kept on my hard drive, mostly associated with the HEMTT-A3 hybrid military cargo vehicles they built mid-last decade. I'll include what I can as attachments but unfortunately some of the more technical pams are too big for this forum's attachment limit. The ones I can upload are worth a look though.

[James Langham]

Thanks Targan, very useful bits. It comes down however to how quickly you can fire again, I'm not sure the M60 would ever get enough speed of recharge to make it worthwhile. Slow recharge (or low output) works OK for EOD purposes but I can't see an M60 hull used for that.

Originally Posted by Targan

Any amount of power will do, if you're charging up ultra-capacitors. The smaller the generator the longer the charge time, but the generators aren't the be-all-and-end-all. A few years ago as a spin-off of research I was doing for my T2K campaign I assembled quite a bit of information about military-grade electricity generation and ultra-capacitor technology. I've put most of it into deep storage but there are afew articles I've kept on my hard drive, mostly associated with the HEMTT-A3 hybrid military cargo vehicles they built mid-last decade. I'll include what I can as attachments but unfortunately some of the more technical pams are too big for this forum's attachment limit. The ones I can upload are worth a look though.

[Panther Al]

OK, went through my collection of TM's and skads of photos, to see what would it take to put a GAU8 in an Abrams Turret.

Its not as bad as you think. Not a field thing by any means, it would require a 40 level Depot at best, or a factory rework at worst.

One thing that comes up first is that you don't need a loader: Thats a lot of room you can use for other things. The Gun itself, isn't larger than the breech and recoil system of the M256 - in fact its a lot smaller. So mounting a GAU8 Breach and barrel system in the same spot is easy as cake. Its the ammo and motors that is the next issue. Not a problem. In the spot in front of where the loader was, you can place one motor, if not both - and if thats the case, there is plenty of empty room where the gunnery computer is: even if you don't remove it, there is more room than you'd thing.

Remember, you don't have the co-ax ammo bin, nor any of the equipment in the turret cheeks.

Assuming you leave the gunner where he is, you can easily place two of the 72" by 36" ammo drums in the turret. One in the bustle, and one in the loaders spot. Gives you a dual feel option if you like, or just double the ammo load.

Just what I see.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

The July/August 1996 Issue of ARMOR magazine has an extensive article on proposed (read: Fanciful) M1 ADA variants. Here are the '96 issues:

http://www.benning.army.mil/Armor/Ar...tent/1996.html