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05-27-2018, 02:30 AM
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Hey Swaghauler, I don't know if this is any help but Global Security has a list of Soviet/Russian naval vessels from 1945 to 1990.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...p-soviet-2.htm There's also an interesting quote from Rear Admiral Valery Aleksin about Russia in the 2000s having a fleet of about 320 modern combat vessels, a figure about one third of the Soviet/Russian fleet in 1990. Specifics can be found here about halfway down the page: - https://www.globalsecurity.org/milit...mf-intro-r.htm However it's a comment from the following site that really piqued my interest, a claim that the Russian naval vessels that went out of service in the 1990s was due to a lack of repair/maintenance bases (because those facilities were allowed to degrade). https://www.rbth.com/defence/2016/06...an-navy_602403 This site might also be of use, it's a blog on the Russian military and the author apparently does quite a bit of work for the US Naval Institute. The following links are pages on the modern Russian navy: - https://russianmilitaryanalysis.word...wo-steps-back/ https://russianmilitaryanalysis.word...ath-the-waves/ https://russianmilitaryanalysis.word...-again-slowly/ I never did find part 1 of this series  but the following link is, I'm assuming, probably the first article (considering it is co-authored with the same person as the other three that I've linked above)EDIT: After reading the article properly instead of just skimming through it, it is indeed part one of the series  https://russianmilitaryanalysis.word...ional-sailors/ ANOTHER EDIT: And this is definitely worth looking at. The Soviet Navy as of 1990 compared to the Russian Navy of 2015 https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...a-infographic/ Hi-Res image of the graphic (link courtesy of the link above and far too big to post here!): - https://i.imgur.com/j0eRoln.jpg Last edited by StainlessSteelCynic; 05-27-2018 at 02:44 AM. Reason: clarification EDIT again - adding more 
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05-27-2018, 03:23 AM
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And because my curiosity got the better of me, I went looking for info on the Soviet Navy after 1990.
I should have thought to check Haze Gray & Underway earlier but alas, I didn't. Anyway, if you are prepared to trawl through the various entries for the ship classes, they sometimes list those ships struck off the register and the year this took place. For example: from the page on gun cruisers, "Sverdlov class cruiser Aleksandr Suvorov at sea. Complete in 1953, she was stricken in 1990" So here's the link, https://www.hazegray.org/features/russia/ Like you said, down the rabbithole... EDIT: Bah! Down the rabbithole indeed! The page I linked to at Haze Grey has the following feature https://www.hazegray.org/features/hiddensee/ Last edited by StainlessSteelCynic; 05-27-2018 at 03:31 AM. Reason: More information
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05-30-2018, 04:56 PM
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Thanks for the info Cynic! I found another website that might help as well.
http://www.combatfleetoftheworld.blo...vy-part-1.html I hope this link works. Swag. Last edited by swaghauler; 05-30-2018 at 05:02 PM.
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05-30-2018, 05:20 PM
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The Russian Fleet In An Alternate V2.2 History
After taking a hard look at all of the Russian Navy ships I decided that they would sacrifice part of their fleet to generate the funds to save the other half. Some of these entries are based on actual history as it unfolded in the real world. Other parts are sheer fantasy based on how I believe a resurgent "Rogue Russia" might act to save their more precious capital ships. I see the Russians SELLING OFF or in a worst case scenario SCRAPPING some ships in order to save others. Russia would be able to sell to the following countries DESPITE a UN Arms Embargo trying to stop just such activity:
Angola Argentina Brazil China Columbia Cuba Guatemala India Iran Iraq Lebanon Mexico North Korea Syria Vietnam The Russians would be selling their older and many smaller ships to these countries in order to fund maintenance on their newer ships. They would regret selling China several larger (and newer) ships when the conflict with China heated up at the end of 1995. I will also be suggesting "upgrades" that the Russians might make to vessels in order to increase those hull's perceived resale value to foreign navies. I will have to break this down into a series of posts because the old Soviet Fleet had so many varying ship types. So here we go....
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05-30-2018, 05:38 PM
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Off the top of my head, I don't know the T2k status of Nicaragua but the too could be a likely client for the smaller Soviet ships (e.g. coastal patrol craft, minesweepers etc. etc.)
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05-30-2018, 07:24 PM
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The Russian Capital Ships
The Kirov Class CCN: The Russians worked very hard to salvage ALL 4 of their nuclear Battlecruisers. These were not only the most powerful surface ships in the old Soviet Navy but were also envisioned as long-endurance commerce raiders. Two ships were deployed with the Pacific Fleet and two ships with The Northern Fleet. They were NEVER sent to the Baltic or the Black Sea to prevent NATO from "bottling them up." They survive on a 1 on 1D20.
The Admiral Kuznetsov & The Varyag: The "Admiral" was at sea for the entire Twilight War while the Varyag only makes it off of the construction slipway late in the war (1997 or 1998) IF a 1 on 1D20 is rolled. The "Admiral" only survives on a 1 on 1D20 due to her importance AND the various mechanical and electrical issues which plague her throughout her life. The Kiev Class "Carriers": The Russians keep The Novorossiysk and the Baku BUT sell the Kiev (to China who names her The Liaoning) and the Minsk (to India) as well as BOTH Moskva Class (one each to China and India) in order to restore the two remaining ships of this class AND continue building the Varyag. One is stationed in the Northern Fleet and the other is in the Pacific Fleet at the start of the war. Due to their age and the load they must carry, they survive only on a 1 on 1D20. The Sverdlov Class Cruisers: The Russians keep 10 out of the 17 venerable Sverdlov Class Cruisers. They are forced to scrap 4 and they upgrade 3 Cruisers and sell them (to finance the upgrades). The Cruisers are sold to China, India, and Syria. The 16 dual 37mm mountings are removed from ALL the ships and converted to truck-mounted AA systems. These find their way to Africa and South America. The 100mm Cannon are sold to China who uses them on several older ship types (much to Russia's chagrin later on). The third 152mm gun turret on every ship is removed (and kept for parts) and replaced with an SA-N-4 Gecko twin-armed Missile Launcher with 18 reloads (giving 20 missiles with two on the launcher itself). 8 ADG-6-30 30mm CIWS guns replace the 6 100mm Cannon along the deckhouse and the two rear twin 37mm mounts above the #3 152mm Gun Turret (replaced by the SA-N-4). TWO RBU-6000 Anti-Submarine Rocket Launchers are mounted on either elevated 37mm mounting alongside the deckhouse (one on each side). There are also mine racks for 24 mines OR two Depth Charge Racks (containing 24 depth charges each) mounted on the mine rails at the stern. Two 8-Round Box Launchers for the SA-N-5 "Grail" (the "navalized" SA7) are mounted on the 37mm AA mounting forward of the after funnel. The Sverdlov's were set up as Command Cruisers for amphibious assault forces and two Cruisers serve in each of the five Fleets (alternating deployments). They are Russia's answer to the Iowa Class of the US Navy and are the most powerful gun platforms on Earth after the Iowas. They survive on a 1 on 1D20 (max 2). The Kydna Class Cruisers: Of the four ships of this class, one was scrapped and the other Three were sold to Cuba, Syria, and Libya to fund improvements in newer ships. Their steam turbine power was old and tired and they were too costly to upgrade. The Kresta I & Kresta II Class: The four Kresta I's were commissioned in the 1960's and were only an interim design. They had experienced significant abuse and all four were salvaged and scrapped to provide funding for other ships. The 10 Kresta II's were built in the 1970's and in much better shape. Five of the ships were either scrapped or sold to India and China and the other FIVE ships were placed in reserve/training (one with each Fleet). They survive on a 1 on 1D20. The Kara Class: The Seven ships of this class are modern COGAG designs. Two units were sold to India to update/maintain the remaining five ships. They were distributed at the rate of ONE per Fleet. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20. The Slava Class Cruisers: All THREE Slava Class Cruisers are still in service and intended as surface commerce raiders. They are allocated at one in the Pacific, one in the Baltic, and one in the Northern Fleet. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20 (one only). The Kashin & Kashin (Mod) Class Destroyers: The first all gas-turbine ships in the Soviet Navy, 14 Kashin, and 6 Kashin (mod) Destroyers were built between 1963 and 1980. One Kashin (Mod) was scrapped after being destroyed by fire. Six Kashin were scrapped/salvaged and eight Kashin were sold to various Navies (China [2], India [2], Cuba, Syria, Iran, & Libya). The Five remaining upgraded Kashin (Mods) are still in service and distributed at the rate of one per fleet. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20 (one max). The Udaloy Class Destroyers: With 12 ships in service when the Soviet Union fell, the Udaloy class was comparable to the US "Spru-cans." One ship caught fire and was scrapped in 1992 and a second also caught fire and was sold to India to be rebuilt (In reality this ship was rebuilt and reentered service in the LATE 90's). This leaves 10 ships distributed between all five Fleets at two ships per Fleet. These ships survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20 (two max). The Sovremenny Class Destroyers: The follow-on to the Kresta II class, Seven Sovremenny Class Destroyers were built. They too used a high-pressure steam boiler system for power. Two were sold to India in order to maintain the other FIVE ships. They are distributed at the rate of ONE per Fleet. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20. The Krivak Class Frigates: This class of Frigate spawned an "identification rap" by US sailors. "hotdog pack, smokestack, guns in the back... KRIVAK!" The Krivaks came in 3 Classes initially and I expand that to 4 Classes. The Krivak I's had two twin-barreled 76mm guns behind her smokestack. The Russians made 17 Krivak I's (and I convert them all to more advanced models or sell them). TWO were converted to the Krivak III standard to bring that model up to 10 ships. TEN ships were converted to Krivak IV standard at the rate of two per year. TWO ships were scrapped for parts and salvage. THREE ships were sold to India to fund the other ship's conversions. The Krivak II Ships upgraded the two twin-barreled 76mm Cannon to TWO single barrelled 100mm Cannon. The electronics were also upgraded. The Krivak III were built as border patrol vessels and replaced the forward SS-N-14 Silex ASW Missiles (known as "the hotdog pack" by US sailors) with a 100mm Cannon (from the rear mounts). It then deleted BOTH rear 100mm Cannon and added a hanger for a helicopter and TWO ADG-630 30mm Gatling Guns above it. The Krivak IV was never built but I liked the PROPOSED "conversion" so I am including it here. This conversion removes the SS-N-14 Silex "hotdog pack" and adds a 100mm Cannon up front (possibly from a Sverdlov Class Cruiser) and the helo hanger and twin 30mm CIWS of the Krivak III. It then DELETES the twin quad 533mm (21") torpedo tubes amidships and adds 2 dual launchers for the SS-N-2 "Styx" anti-ship missiles carried by the Tarantul Class Corvette. This provides the 10 converted Krivak IVs with a much broader capability than the original models. The Krivaks (of all classes) survive the War on a roll of 1 on 1D20. The Auxiliaries: The Russian Navy has 21 Tankers, Ammo Supply Ships, and Cargo Vessels distributed throughout the five Fleets. The MineSweepers: The Russians still have 20 Natya I's, 6 Vanya II's, and 5 Yurk Class Minesweepers in service. They all survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20. No more than 6 units can survive. The Landing Ships: The Russians have 3 Ivan Rogov Class, 10 Alligator Class, 12 Ropucha Class, and 25 Polnocny Class Ships. These survive on a 1 on 1D20. No more than 10 units can survive. I will post the Russian "Corvettes" tomorrow. The Russians often call what the West would consider Corvettes "Frigates" and they have SEVERAL Classes in large numbers. Therefore, I felt it appropriate to separate them from the other ships. Last edited by swaghauler; 05-31-2018 at 06:20 PM. Reason: I added the Krivak Class Frigates to this list
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05-31-2018, 08:08 PM
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The Russian Corvettes and Patrol Ships
The Russians have always made small but powerful ships for coastal patrol or littoral combat. Below is a listing of existing ships in my alternate V2.2 Timeline.
Retired "Classic" Ship Types: The Komar Class, Mirka Class, Osa Class, Peyta Class, Poti Class, and Riga Class were already being retired when the Coup happened. The sale or scrapping of these ships was accelerated to generate income to either build or restore more modern and useful classes of Corvette. The Stenka Class Patrol Boat: This is the Russian equivalent of a US Coast Guard Cutter and 117 were built. The Russians still use about 60 of these boats but the other boats were sold as they are very popular among poorer countries. With twin 37mm Autocannon fore and aft, FOUR 400mm (15.75") Torpedo Tubes, and 12 depth charges, they are HEAVILY armed for their size. They are also easy to maintain. Newer models are equipped with two 30mm CIWS Gatling guns. The Stenkas survive on a roll of 1 on 1D6 with up to 30 surviving. The Shershen Class Torpedo Boats: 85 such boats were built but the Soviet Union only had 30 left by the time of the Coup. These were another popular boat with poorer client States. Their initial armament in Russian service was TWO 14.5mm KPV machineguns (one fore and one aft in powered turrets) and FOUR 533mm (21") Heavy Torpedo Tubes. Some export models were equipped with lighter torpedos. The 30 remaining ships sold like hot cakes when the Russians upgraded the KPVs to Twin 37mm Autocannon in powered mounts. the following countries bought the modded Shershen Class: Mexico: 8 boats but they replaced the two rear 533mm torpedo tubes with Penguin Missile launchers. Nicaruagua: 2 boats. Guadamala: 2 boats. Iraq: 4 boats. Vietnam: 4 boats. North Korea: 4 boats. Yemen: 4 boats. Malasia: 2 boats. The class was so lucrative for Russia that she sold them all to generate revenue. The Parachim Class: These East German-built boats (nearly identical to the Russian Grisha Class) are still in the inventory in our real world. In my alternate timeline, it becomes impossible for Russia to buy replacement parts for these vessels due to the UN Sanctions on her. Since Russia only bought them to help subsidize the East German shipbuilding industry, they sell them to India (who also bought all of the East German ships) to generate income. The Bora Class Hovercraft/Frigate: Both of these experimental ships are still with the Mediterranean Fleet. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20. The Muka Class Corvette: This SINGULAR experimental hydrofoil design was sold to India to generate income. The Grisha I Corvette: This class was a dedicated ASW Corvettes built from the 1960's. There were 15 built. They were sold or upgraded to other types throughout the 1980's. The Grisha II Corvette: 10 of these ships are still in service with the KGB border patrol with a distribution of two per Fleet. They survive in a 1 on 1D20. The Grisha III Corvette: Of the 34 ships of this type built by 1987, 20 are left in Russian service. These ships keep the 57mm Cannon aft but add a 30mm CIWS. The Russians did consider upgrading these to Grisha V's but didn't have the money in real life. They are distributed throughout the 5 Fleets (4 ships per Fleet). They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20 (max 4). The Grisha V Corvette: This is the most advanced version of the Grisha Class. It replaces the 57mm Cannon with the same 76mm rapid-fire Cannon on the Pauk and Tarantul Class Corvettes. There were 30 of these ships in service during the Twilight War and they are distributed at 6 per Fleet. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20 and 4 hulls may survive. The Pauk Class Corvette: Like the Grisha Class, the Pauk Class concentrates on the ASW mission. With 12 depth charges, 4 lightweight torpedo tubes, two RBU-1000 ASW rockets, a 30mm Gatling CIWS, SA-N-5 "grail" Launcher, a 76mm Cannon, and a towed sonar, it is well-equipped to perform that task. The Russians had 30 hulls (with 6 per Fleet) and they survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20 (4 max). The Nanuchka Class Corvettes: This Corvette Class had FOUR generations. All of the Nanuchka I's were sold or upgraded to other versions. The Nanuchka II's were export only ships and not produced for Russia. The Nanuchka III's were updated II's with a 76mm Cannon and updated electronics. The Russians have 20 III's in service (with 4 per Fleet) and are building 1 per year even during the Twilight War. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20. The fourth and final version of this class, the Nanuchka IV, was the sole version built. It is still in the Baltic Fleet as a test ship. The Tarantul Class Corvettes: There were three main subclasses and one modification to class III. The Russians only retained TWO Tarantul I Corvettes for training foreign sailors. They finally adopted the Tarantul when the Tarantul II came out. The Russians still possess 13 of this model. The Tarantul III introduced the SS-N-22 and a better engine to the class. The Russians had 23 hulls in service during the Twilight War. The Tarantul III (mod) involved an electronics enhancement and Russia had built 11 such hulls before the Exchange. The various hulls are distributed between the 5 Fleets (8 per Fleet) with the extra hulls in the Caspian and Black Seas. They survive on a roll of 1 on 1D20 (6 max). I'll try to post the subs tomorrow. Swag. Last edited by swaghauler; 05-31-2018 at 08:28 PM.
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06-07-2018, 05:26 AM
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They didn't have it for long. They failed to bluff their way past a WarPac unit garrisoning a bridge further down the Vistula and the Shershen was shot to pieces.
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05-30-2018, 05:33 PM
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Happy to help.
I had a very extensive list of links at one time, for military topics, but over time I culled them because I just wasn't using them. My main interest is land forces & infantry weapons and so I discarded pretty much all the navy & air force links I had. However I still had some (sometimes vague!) memories of various websites. But that's the strength of a forum like this, different people with different information being able to share that knowledge. Even if it's not immediately useful, it broadens the knowledge base.
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