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weswood 11-17-2012 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Targan (Post 51643)
I've never eaten a Twinkie but I've known what they are since I was a kid because they had advertisements for them in American comic books :D

I'm sorry for your loss.

raketenjagdpanzer 11-17-2012 03:08 PM

Here's a question...

I remember reading the online book "Surviving a Nuclear War" and one of the prep things it said was to not only make ready for yourself and your family, but for one neighbor as well.

Clearly we're not in any immediate threat of a massive, 2500-missiles-over-the-Pole type exchange (I pray...) but as we've discussed, some of us have your Katrina or Sandy level event prepping down or ongoing - anyone here doing the "...and a little for the neighbor, too" thing?

mikeo80 11-17-2012 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer (Post 51647)
Here's a question...

I remember reading the online book "Surviving a Nuclear War" and one of the prep things it said was to not only make ready for yourself and your family, but for one neighbor as well.

Clearly we're not in any immediate threat of a massive, 2500-missiles-over-the-Pole type exchange (I pray...) but as we've discussed, some of us have your Katrina or Sandy level event prepping down or ongoing - anyone here doing the "...and a little for the neighbor, too" thing?

I have not. Which neighbor do I choose? The single hardworking mom with two kids? The married couple where the man is in the USAF and the woman works at the local hospital as a respitory therapist? Etc.....

How do I tell one "Here is food and water" and the other "Sorry, all gone"?

I am afraid that my altruistic side would shrivel and DIE if SHTF. In all probabilty, I would do a "duck and cover" and wait....

It was Heinlein in his Starship Troopers that had Juan Rico state the following observation during his tour in O.C.S. Rico was reflecting on the H&MP course he was taking during OCS. "Man is what he is, a wild animal with the will to survive, and (so far) the ability, against all competition."

Pretty graphic. And I fear, all too accurate.

TO conclude my rambling on this subject. I like to think of myself as a moral being. However, if push comes to shove, the animal that lives inside will emerge.

My $0.02

Mike

The Rifleman 11-17-2012 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer (Post 51647)
Here's a question...

I remember reading the online book "Surviving a Nuclear War" and one of the prep things it said was to not only make ready for yourself and your family, but for one neighbor as well.

Clearly we're not in any immediate threat of a massive, 2500-missiles-over-the-Pole type exchange (I pray...) but as we've discussed, some of us have your Katrina or Sandy level event prepping down or ongoing - anyone here doing the "...and a little for the neighbor, too" thing?

I am. You never know who's going to show up and I just might not have the heart to turn them away. Not only that, I came to the conclusion that I cannot defend my home, fruit trees, well and garden from attack on multiple sides without at least 9 shooters. Also, you've got to think about occasional night patrols and ambushes as well as 24 hour security. I have 7 adult "family" and I'm planning for 1 friend and his gf/wife.

HorseSoldier 11-17-2012 06:06 PM

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Clearly we're not in any immediate threat of a massive, 2500-missiles-over-the-Pole type exchange (I pray...) but as we've discussed, some of us have your Katrina or Sandy level event prepping down or ongoing - anyone here doing the "...and a little for the neighbor, too" thing?
In places where there is a coherent sense of community and people know their neighbors this will tend to happen anyway. I think these days, though, that most neighborhoods are not especially coherent communities, with modern technology meaning we tend to socialize primarily with people that we share interests with, rather than those we share geography with.

The Rifleman 11-17-2012 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeo80 (Post 51650)
In all probabilty, I would do a "duck and cover" and wait....

It was Heinlein in his Starship Troopers that had Juan Rico state the following observation during his tour in O.C.S. Rico was reflecting on the H&MP course he was taking during OCS. "Man is what he is, a wild animal with the will to survive, and (so far) the ability, against all competition."

Pretty graphic. And I fear, all too accurate.

Mike

I agree with ducking and hiding. I would certainly not be out looting and I would also not have ovens baking great smelling bread. Best course of action is to lay low and let things run their course. Nature would take its course.

As an aside, starship troopers was required reading when I was at OCS. Can't remember who wrote it, but its a guy who really was a good soldier and NCO and must have gone on to be a great officer.

raketenjagdpanzer 11-17-2012 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rifleman (Post 51653)
I agree with ducking and hiding. I would certainly not be out looting and I would also not have ovens baking great smelling bread. Best course of action is to lay low and let things run their course. Nature would take its course.

As an aside, starship troopers was required reading when I was at OCS. Can't remember who wrote it, but its a guy who really was a good soldier and NCO and must have gone on to be a great officer.

Robert A. Heinlein wrote Starship Troopers and served in the U.S. Navy on the first incarnation of the carrier Lexington. He was discharged for tuberculosis.

Targan 11-17-2012 07:52 PM

If the fertilizer really hits the ventilation I'll be doing my best to shepherd all my family members and their partners up to my mum's place in the hills outside my city. Then my guess is that we'd all head to my mum's other place in the far south of the state. My mum and her husband are scientists who spend most of their working lives doing field work in remote parts of my state. Mum's a botanist with an incredible knowledge of growing and preparing edible plants and her husband is a marine biologist. They have the vehicles, equipment, stores and skills that would certainly increase our family's survival chances greatly. They both have pretty deep-seated pacifist beliefs though, so my brother and I would be handling all the tasks requiring violence, brutality and "big boys' rules", I suspect.

I would do just about anything to protect my family, including sacrificing myself. That's not even really a conscious decision, it's instinctual, so I'm not claiming to be the most brave or heroic dude ever born or anything. Obviously I'd prefer it not to come to that, but I'd prefer death to living with the knowledge that I could've saved a family member but didn't act when I should've.

The Rifleman 11-17-2012 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer (Post 51656)
Robert A. Heinlein wrote Starship Troopers and served in the U.S. Navy on the first incarnation of the carrier Lexington. He was discharged for tuberculosis.

He must have been one tough old guy. He made one heck of a book. My father told me that back in the day, the navy went to marine corps basic. Explains how he understood both branches.

The Rifleman 11-17-2012 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HorseSoldier (Post 51652)
In places where there is a coherent sense of community and people know their neighbors this will tend to happen anyway. I think these days, though, that most neighborhoods are not especially coherent communities, with modern technology meaning we tend to socialize primarily with people that we share interests with, rather than those we share geography with.

So true. You could probably argue that this very lack of community and sense of team play is what caused the decline of our society.

Graebarde 11-18-2012 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by HorseSoldier
In places where there is a coherent sense of community and people know their neighbors this will tend to happen anyway. I think these days, though, that most neighborhoods are not especially coherent communities, with modern technology meaning we tend to socialize primarily with people that we share interests with, rather than those we share geography with.


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Originally Posted by The Rifleman (Post 51665)
So true. You could probably argue that this very lack of community and sense of team play is what caused the decline of our society.

I feel this is very true. It is something I have witnessed in rural areas as well as the young farmers 'play' the 'I own more than you do' game. Our society has become a 'me first', 'you owe me' mindset. Is it 100% that way, no, but I feel it is more than half whether they would admit it or not, their actions do.

The Rifleman 11-19-2012 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Graebarde (Post 51691)
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I feel this is very true. It is something I have witnessed in rural areas as well as the young farmers 'play' the 'I own more than you do' game. Our society has become a 'me first', 'you owe me' mindset. Is it 100% that way, no, but I feel it is more than half whether they would admit it or not, their actions do.

Look at stores, trying to stay open on thanksgiving. I mean really? In the long run are they going to make any more over the "Christmas" season? Its just too much greed. That and the sense of entitlement are outrageous.

TrailerParkJawa 11-20-2012 10:52 PM

I don't know any of my neighbors. I've lived in this place since 2004. Of the 8 townhouses in our little row only two other families were here when I got here. I talk to them from time to time but that's all. Anyone I would want to help in a disaster lives anywhere from 5 to 45 miles away. I've wondered what I will do, I have 2-3 weeks of water for me but not for all of them. Would they try to come and take it? Could I just shut myself in and try to be stealthy?

weswood 11-21-2012 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TrailerParkJawa (Post 51767)
I don't know any of my neighbors. I've lived in this place since 2004. Of the 8 townhouses in our little row only two other families were here when I got here. I talk to them from time to time but that's all. Anyone I would want to help in a disaster lives anywhere from 5 to 45 miles away. I've wondered what I will do, I have 2-3 weeks of water for me but not for all of them. Would they try to come and take it? Could I just shut myself in and try to be stealthy?

That's a shame. Not you specifficaly but that society in general has become so reclusive people don't know thier neighbors they live next to. My little neighborhood isn't that bad, out of the 20 or so houses, I know about 7 families. But I live in a stable neighborhood. My family is maybe the 5th newest and we've been here since '82. And so far it's been a quiet, trusting hood for the most part. Even after hurricane Ike hit, when I was working 16 hour days for the electric company, I came home one night to find someone had cleared a huge limb that had fallen from one of my trees.

But would I share what little I have? Maybe. Hopefully. I try to be a good Christian but deep down I don't believe in the natural kindness of humanity. And I know for a fact I can be a vicious asshole at times.

Snake Eyes 11-21-2012 08:03 AM

I wish I knew more of my neighbors, like in the old school block party and PTA kind of way. Most of us are just in & out on our way somewhere else. I got involved in my city's CERT mostly just to meet people. Because my safety is less dependent on my own preparation than it is on that of my neighbors. It doesn't matter if I can last three days or ten without power, gas, water, police & EMS if my neighbors are just going to riot and burn the place down on day two.

Graebarde 11-21-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rifleman (Post 51701)
Look at stores, trying to stay open on thanksgiving. I mean really? In the long run are they going to make any more over the "Christmas" season? Its just too much greed. That and the sense of entitlement are outrageous.

News this morning said that a lot of the big box stores make up to 50% of their gross over the holidays. Best Buy was high on that list. I laugh when I hear these companies talk about family values.. only for those in the corprate offices.. retail ppl have to work rather than be with their families. I remember when it was nigh impossible to get GAS on Thanksgiving much less buy anything else. That was the day of the Mom-n-Pop stores, not the corporate convenince 24/7-365/366 we could care less about you, just send us the deposits.


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