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Silent Hunter UK 04-14-2016 03:32 PM

Missile flight times and warnings
 
Spinning off from another thread.

Here's the ones I know.

ICBM, US to USSR or vice versa: 25-30 mins
Pershing II, West Germany to Western USSR: c.10 mins
Scud missile: 3-5 minutes
UK BMEWS early warning time: 4.5 minutes (the 'four minute warning').

Legbreaker 04-17-2016 01:05 AM

Not exactly a lot of time is it.
I wonder if the shorter ranged missiles with shorter flight times would have been launched at the same time as the ICBMs (thereby potentially giving an earlier warning of attack), or held off until a little later?
There's pros and cons for both approaches I think.

Silent Hunter UK 04-23-2016 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Legbreaker (Post 70279)
Not exactly a lot of time is it.
I wonder if the shorter ranged missiles with shorter flight times would have been launched at the same time as the ICBMs (thereby potentially giving an earlier warning of attack), or held off until a little later?
There's pros and cons for both approaches I think.

That's why the Vulcans were designed to be able to take off within two minutes if the crew were on board, Blue Streak got axed and we ultimately bought Polaris then Trident; an undersea deterrent was and is by far the most survivable.

As for the missile launches, I'd imagine SIOP, the Soviet equivalent and their modern successors probably have options for both same time and held off.

Matt Wiser 04-23-2016 07:57 PM

For SLBMs off the East or West Coasts of the U.S., it was estimated six to 12 minutes' depending on where the missile subs were patrolling.

Jason Weiser 04-24-2016 03:20 PM

Or less than 5 minutes with a depressed trajectory shot.

raketenjagdpanzer 04-24-2016 11:25 PM

It's the waiting that'd make it awful. If I was at a primary site (I probably am anyway living in the Orlando area), assuming it was just an ICBM strike and not SLBMs, that 24-30 minute wait would just be ... horrible.

unkated 04-25-2016 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer (Post 70424)
It's the waiting that'd make it awful. If I was at a primary site (I probably am anyway living in the Orlando area), assuming it was just an ICBM strike and not SLBMs, that 24-30 minute wait would just be ... horrible.

I grew up on Long Island, east of New York City. I lived within 5 miles of where
the F14 and the F111 were being built.

The only way for the mass of population to get off Long Island is through New York City.

When I was 12, I figured out that they would not bother telling us. Where could we (serveral million of us) go in half an hour?

Uncle Ted

Legbreaker 04-25-2016 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by unkated (Post 70427)
Where could we (serveral million of us) go in half an hour?

Down into your bomb shelters? Really about the only option available besides sitting out on the deck with the sunglasses and factor 50,000 sunscreen.

Silent Hunter UK 04-27-2016 03:14 PM

If you didn't have one, it would be under the table. Or huddle together as a family and if need be, pray.

adimar 04-30-2016 03:37 PM

Pre-launched nuclear weapons
 
There were persistent rumors that the soviet union had launched a couple of satellites containing nuclear weapons.
These satellites were designed to be a first strike weapon vs key targets in the united states. The most important benefit is that their "launch" would not be detected by the standard launch detection systems and could potential strike withing 2-3 minutes of the go signal (assuming the attack was times to coincide with the optimal orbital position).

Adi

Silent Hunter UK 04-30-2016 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by adimar (Post 70509)
There were persistent rumors that the soviet union had launched a couple of satellites containing nuclear weapons.
These satellites were designed to be a first strike weapon vs key targets in the united states. The most important benefit is that their "launch" would not be detected by the standard launch detection systems and could potential strike withing 2-3 minutes of the go signal (assuming the attack was times to coincide with the optimal orbital position).

Adi

The US would be able to track them however; their orbital surveillance is far better than the USSR's ever was.

adimar 04-30-2016 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Silent Hunter UK (Post 70510)
The US would be able to track them however; their orbital surveillance is far better than the USSR's ever was.

The us would absolutely track them , but warning time would only be approx 2 minutes. And this assumes they wouldn't maneuver.
I very much doubt (though have no information to disprove) that tracking was continuous. It is far more likely orbit would be calculated with periodic checks.
If object-X a soviet "weather satellite" would not appear in it's expected trajectory. I don't think it will trigger a preemptive strike by the us even if it was known to be a pre-launched weapon. Thus leaving the us open to surprise attack.

Adi


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