T2K Today: Korea

[boogiedowndonovan]

Originally Posted by Raellus

More Nork weirdness:

According to the broadcasters during today's DPRK vs. Brazil soccer match, the North Korean fans that you see during their games in SA aren't actually North Koreans at all but are paid Chinese actors. It makes sense since real NKs would probably jump at the opportunity to defect.

Also, the NK coach claims to receive in-game tactical instructions from the Dear Leader via and invisible communications device. His advice apparently wasn't so great today.

You've gotta love those wacky NKs!

thats pretty funny. my coworker and I were joking that the Dear Leader edited out the two Brazil goals from the world cup footage that would be broadcast to the DPRK so that they could declare DPRK beats Brazil 1-0!

[Raellus]

Originally Posted by boogiedowndonovan

thats pretty funny. my coworker and I were joking that the Dear Leader edited out the two Brazil goals from the world cup footage that would be broadcast to the DPRK so that they could declare DPRK beats Brazil 1-0!

I wouldn't be surprised.

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I think the North Koreans want the South Koreans to pretend nothing happened -- and thereby admit that they are powerless in the face of "powerful North Korean war machine."

Yeah they want the status quo kept. Much like that happen along in the inter-German Border.

You know back in the 80s Aircraft would regular go down both in and around German and Korea and nothing was much done, even when an aircraft would crash in the US. The military would just shrug it off. Then until about 2003 any time an aircraft went down there would be so called safety stand-downs to allow everyone to go over procedures and make sure everyone was doing the right thing. Since we are back to the same. Which is always amaze me to a point that air crews seem more expendable than others.

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by Raellus

I wouldn't be surprised.

maybe so .
It is known that NK leadership used footage from the 2000 celebrations and big international sporting events or some such as stock footage when making " news broadcasts " about the leaders "succesful" visit to Europe or the worlds reactions to PyongYangs antics.

I see the following imagery - footage of huge crowds say in London or Paris ,waving flags and cheering ( maybe a few criers as well )

Que in blaring news reel type music with upbeat tempo/commentary read in enthusiastic and agrressive tempo :

"All over the world the people of all nations are celebrating the Dear Leader as he comes to visit them.The visit offers them hope to escape the capitalist cages they are trapped in by their feudal minded overlords.Material assistance was given by the Peoples commite for overseas aid and political education was initiated by Dear Leader personally ,enligthening and inspiring millions throughout the blighted nations of the capitalist west .
The visit was a great success and a triumph for the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea thanks to our communal efforts and the brilliant guidance of our Dear Leader.
Long live the Dear Leader !"

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by boogiedowndonovan

thats pretty funny. my coworker and I were joking that the Dear Leader edited out the two Brazil goals from the world cup footage that would be broadcast to the DPRK so that they could declare DPRK beats Brazil 1-0!

The BBC showed a spoof film of exactly that scenario after the South Africa - Uruguay match last night...

[headquarters]

Just thought I would add a few laughables to the mix :

http://askakorean.blogspot.com/2010/...ean-jokes.html

[Webstral]

Originally Posted by Abbott Shaull

Which is always amaze me to a point that air crews seem more expendable than others.

I'm not sure air crews are more expendable--just at greater risk.

Webstral

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Abbott Shaull

Yeah they want the status quo kept. Much like that happen along in the inter-German Border.

It is rumored that there were frequent border shootouts and even dogfights in the air above the inter-German border. The former is believable to me -- it would be harder to hide a dogfight from the public.

[boogiedowndonovan]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

It is rumored that there were frequent border shootouts and even dogfights in the air above the inter-German border. The former is believable to me -- it would be harder to hide a dogfight from the public.

I remember reading about this when I was a kid, not quite the inter-German border.

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/04/21/wo...ch-border.html

[Graebarde]

Originally Posted by boogiedowndonovan

I remember reading about this when I was a kid, not quite the inter-German border.

http://www.nytimes.com/1984/04/21/wo...ch-border.html

There were always incidents which the media/general public were never aware of. While the Cobra was not hit, is probably intentional. Sides always tested each other.

cira December 1970, ROK about 60km north of Kunsan on the Yellow Sea, and more than 200km south of the DMZ. Christmas eve to be exact as I just arrived in my unit on my second tour to the Far East. People are standing looking out at the sea. When I asked what was going on I too looked out across the rice paddies and sea. In the distance I saw green tracers rising from the sea and orange rocket trails coming from the darkened sky. The ROK air force was in the process of sinking a NK gunboat about six miles out. Out of the fryingpan into the fire I found I was headed. The incident was never reported in the news that I saw. Neither was the fire fight my section was in the following August. In 1971, there were over 370 'incidents' from the DMZ south with only a few making it to the media.

[Abbott Shaull]

Yeah, that one thing I remember the Drill Sergeants drilling into us during basic and AIT, without coming out saying it. Just from my Basic/AIT company out of us who were Regular Army, many went strait from Fort Benning to Korea directly. Several more were heading to Germany, at the time. Both the inter-border and DMZ have been home of several incidents that largely get unreported.

There are two reasons:

1. Each side is testing the other.

2. No one really wants a shooting war.

Many of these incidents are written up as nerves. As for the dogfights...It not so much of a dogfight, but pilots being order to fly into the others territory to test their reaction. Many of the times, they were only suppose to get close enough to scare the shit out of the offending pilot, but when you sent up aircraft loaded for bear shit happens.

Not saying that none of the unreported incidents were unintentional, but the thing is if you are being the one shot down or taking fire, you aren't going to ask if it was or wasn't, in your mind it was. It was a game that was played for years, and in some of the unfriendly borders of the world, it is still played on the daily basis...

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by Webstral

Not all problems can be solved with high explosives.

How DARE you say that Web!!!
Dem's fightin' words!

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

It is rumored that there were frequent border shootouts and even dogfights in the air above the inter-German border. The former is believable to me -- it would be harder to hide a dogfight from the public.

Don't know about the latter, but as to the former, the answer is Yes, there was a few shots fired in each direction. Never anything too serious, but boys with guns will be boys. By and large, the Czech border was actually pretty laid back in contrast.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Didn't LeMay order RB-36 and RB-47 flights to do everything just shy of provoke a full-scale war? E.g., try to engage Soviet fighters and force them to shoot in defense, etc.?

[Panther Al]

From what I have heard about him, it wouldn't shock me.