DC group work = Canon Version 1.5

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Targan

Its your forum Kato so of course you have every right to make such a pronouncement. What if you set up a sub forum for the DC Working Group's works? In the same way that the Traveller 2300 forum has a sub forum called Spake's Non-Cannon 2300 Setting? That way anyone who has any major issues with the DC Working Group's work can just not visit that sub forum. No mess, no fuss, and no excuse in the future for any bad blood. For that matter perhaps we could have a Twilight 2013 sub forum as well?

Too many sub-forums weakens a community IMO. This also open up the question of moving all existing posts which some might not consider "canon" into other sub categories. Overall I am against that.

If, after the DC group provides their material, there is a groundswell of support for such a partitioning I will consider it, but from my read of things there probably will not be.

[Dog 6]

Canon Version 1.5 has my vote

[StainlessSteelCynic]

How can it be canon when it hasn't been legally authorised by the original authors?

[kato13]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

How can it be canon when it hasn't been legally authorised by the original authors?

It is because I say so.

I don't think the DC group even cares about being "canon". I am just ending this argument.

I have already spelled out the course of action if you object.

This would be my recommended hosting option for anyone who wishes to take over.
http://www.urljet.com/vbulletin-hosting.php

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Kato I am fairly certain nobody here wants to see you leave or see you stop hosting this site. I am quite confident that nobody would vote against you if it was even put to a vote.
From what I have seen of this site and what I have been told about the previous one, this group of people have been incredibly civil to each other compared to many other forums on the net, especially considering the wide range of views and thoughts we have.

The whole debate about canon seems to have been taken far too personally by some of us. Twilight 2000 canon does not simply come into being because we desire it to be so however I don't see your statement as being an abuse of your admin powers but I do see it as the reaction of someone who is probably overworked and underappreciated and perhaps frustrated by all that.

I can understand that but I do believe everyone here is supportive of you even if they don't necessarily support the same things as you. Please don't see critiques of someone else's work as a criticism of them and more importanly, you and please don't feel that you have to take immediate drastic action if something looks as though it may flare up. I believe most people here will pull back before letting it get out of hand - maybe some of us just need to be given a gentle hint sometimes but generally we all get along.

And please do not see my non-acceptance of any work not officially sanctioned by the original authors as canon as being in any way critical of you or this forum. I do object to having something not authorised by the original authors being called 'canon' but that in no way means I want to see this forum explode because of that or see you shut it down or that I do not want to see anyone use that material. It also does not mean that I am saying nobody can or should use that material.

I would like to believe that we can all engage in some healthy debate and have it understood that we are critiquing an idea/notion/the material and not attacking the person (even if it does get a little heated, we are only human and some of us are quite passionate about our likes).

However I do feel very strongly that threatening such drastic action over this particular issue just makes people feel uneasy about discussing anything potentially contentious and that sort of thing usually ends in people being very reserved and preferring to not comment because they worry it will be taken the wrong way.
I for one would rather see people get involved in a debate about such things rather than sit back & say nothing for fear of offending anyone - when everyone sits back for fear of upsetting someone, it means no posts are made and that just leads to the death of the thread, or worse, the forum.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

However I do feel very strongly that threatening such drastic action over this particular issue just makes people feel uneasy about discussing anything potentially contentious and that sort of thing usually ends in people being very reserved and preferring to not comment because they worry it will be taken the wrong way.
I for one would rather see people get involved in a debate about such things rather than sit back & say nothing for fear of offending anyone - when everyone sits back for fear of upsetting someone, it means no posts are made and that just leads to the death of the thread, or worse, the forum.

After this argument I saw a greater than 66% reduction in posts, threads and unique visitors. It was like a punch in the gut to me after my hard work to build this forum and track down our displaced users.

I kept hoping this would end on its own, but when there is a post trying to entice the DC groups back it rears it ugly head again.

I simply can't stand it anymore. So I AM ending it.

This was not a rash decision. I spent months thinking about this. I looked at all the angles and after much thought this is what I came up with and it will stand.

[cavtroop]

This is OK with me. I love the DC group stuff.

I'd like to see a sub-forum for the DC group, where only they can post (but anyone can read), setup for them to put the information in. All discussions on the info would take place in the main forum, but the sub-forum would give a location to find all of the info easily, and in one place. I'd also love to see the same setup for Webstrals information. Having all that info in one place, easy to get to, would be great.

[Raellus]

Originally Posted by kato13

I kept hoping this would end on its own, but when there is a post trying to entice the DC groups back it rears it ugly head again.

Kato, I hope you're not referring to my post in the "Dear Santa" thread. I was simply stating that I missed the DC Group's contributions, hypothesizing an explanation for their lengthy absence, and trying to encourage them to come back. I was not trying to stir the pot or light the fuse. If I opened old wounds, then I am truly sorry, for that was never my intent.

It's your forum, Kato, so it's your call. I hope you keep it right where it is. IMHO, you've done a fine job and this isn't the first time I've said so.

For the most part, I appreciate the DC Group's contributions. I enjoy reading everyone's take on the Twilight World. I pick and choose what I want to include in mine. Everyone has (and should continue to have) the freedom to use or ignore fan-generated materials. Heck, everyone has the freedom to use or ignore the "official" GDW-produced materials! As far as I'm concerned, the matter of what is or is not canon is really moot. Some of us fall into a very conservative interpretation of what canon is while others here are more liberal. That's fine. We are all T2Kers and we need to try to stick together. I, for one, really regret taking part in any debate regarding what canon is or was or should be. If I'd known this was going to happen, I would have stayed completely out of it.

That said, from now on, I think I'll be reluctant to share dissenting opinions here. Perhaps my own self imposed exhile is in order...

Kato, I hope you stick around as admin.

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by kato13

This would be my recommended hosting option for anyone who wishes to take over.
http://www.urljet.com/vbulletin-hosting.php

Far too much work! I'm writing and doing researches between 6-10 hours a day (7 days a week sometimes). Of course, most of it doesn't concern T2K materials (done for fun only) but, trust me, you must be somewhat insane to do that.

Still, I consider what Kato has done running this forum way above it and I'm convinced he is more of a fool than I am (or brave, you choose). I have been supporting Kato since the beginning and I'll continue to go by his word. Thanks (that's an understatement) and I hope to see this forum around for a long time.

If not for Kato, I would not have had these great brainstormings (and occasional contests) with all of you.