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11-08-2010, 01:04 AM
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Boltholes are pretty survivable and almost unaffected by anything but a direct hit, especially airbursts (ground or subsurface bursts, not so much). I think you deploy several boltholes and installations, as long as the risk is acceptable. In general, I like when Canada isn't lumped in completely with the USA. There was no Nunuvat (yet) in the canon timeline, and either way, there are probably far too many teams for the North considering the scarce population and resources. Although the Yukon would have more than the NWT (more resources and population). I would strongly suggest a kind of "national command post", not necessarily a second Prime (at least in terms of supply capability) but at least a central planning and command centre for Canadian regions, like a regional head office. As well, the Canadian government and/or military would want to deal with someone specific that's responsible for Canada that is not located in a foreign nation. Tony Last edited by helbent4; 11-08-2010 at 01:22 AM. 
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11-08-2010, 01:11 PM
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My idea for Canada is this.... Alaska and Canada is so much wide open spaces, with so few missile targets that the Project build all of their BULK storage centres in those regions (thus the personnel assigned to such low-population regions, they know they'd be reassigned to other locations throughout North America 'as needed'). Canada has always been one of my locations of a mini-Prime Base that would be directly tied in with the Regional Canadian Command Centres that is located in Nunavut (a central location on the Hudson Bay). Each Regional Command Centre is tied to MPNET... the Shadow Internet that Morrow Project had set-up. Also Teams that are suppose to function EXCLUSIVELY in Canada are predominately made up of Canadian Citizens. And I can see the Canadian Government being in on the Project at its highest levels, knowing that when TEOTWAWKI Event occurs that they would have a lot of help coming once things stabilized. I had plans for a story that dealt with the descendants of FEMA and Mount Weather seeing the Morrow Project as being something they have exclusive control over since they are from BEFORE TEOTWAWKI Event, and thus directly under their authority. Alaska and Canada has so much open spaces where no one is at, that just begs for top-secret bunkers and facilities to be placed there. The large storage Depots and factories of the Project would be located in those areas... we know that the Project was set up by industrialists, what would stop them from putting underground factories in strategic locations for use during the 'pinch' times when they are having to rebuild the infrastructure throughout North America? While the Morrow Project is dedicated to rebuilding the United States of America... It's not to rebuild the USA as it is today, but to restore the Republic and the Ideals that inspired 'The American Dream'... A land of limited government intervention in the lives of it's citizens. Where a person with a dream can come and build it from nothing. THAT is the true Goal of the Project in my opinion.
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11-08-2010, 03:31 PM
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In the canon rules, the MP Intranet is called MORONET (see "Computers in the Morrow Project"). Personally, I call it MORROWNET because it avoids the word "moron", but there you go.  Interesting rationale for the North, makes a lot of sense to hide stuff up there. Except for the permafrost, that is! But there are mountains in parts of the north, so those would be good places to hide stuff. I use the canon background, so units allocated to "Nunuvat" would be folded into NWT and the Yukon. I'm pretty much with you until you get to your personal political and social views, and I respect them on a personal level. Overall, the Project should appeal to more than one set of American political ideals, therefore a "neutral" model seems like the best way to go. That is, rebuilding the USA to the pre-war political and social status quo: a liberally democratic centrally-governed industrial nation with a free-market economy governed by the rule of law. (I should point out this model heavily favours big business.) Then if the American people want to change things for "the better" then they can do so democratically, without the Project dictating their choices for them. Note I'm not suggesting an abrogation of a social or political role for the Project; by its very nature the Project is going to significantly change many lives and communities, even in the 3-5 year window. (At least, that's the plan.) On a local level there might be shifts to the left or right (depending on the situation). The overall idea shouldn't be to force Americans into an overall conservative or liberal political or social mould until such a time as they can decide for themselves. Tony Last edited by helbent4; 11-08-2010 at 03:38 PM.
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11-08-2010, 04:15 PM
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A STRONG central government is only good if it's kept SMALL. Jefferson spoke elegantly to this point, that Government grows at the expense of Liberty. The Project would be dedicated to rebuilding the Republic using a 'hands-off' policy when it comes to local politics. It's why i laugh at the people who write the New Confederacy and KFS as a bunch of evil right-wing fascists... Because they forget that Fascism is a left-wing ideology that emerged from Marxism (Goebbels sang the praises of Lenin and Hitler in the same breath so many times as being the two greatest men he had ever met, and in a way that sounded more like a religious experience than just meeting a 'great' historically significant personality). I'm a constitutionalist when it comes right down to it. I believe that we have a federal government to protect us form outside forces, and those inside forces that would force their will upon us (Ie enemies foreign and domestic), this is why we in the military swore and oath to protect and defense it instead of the government and what ever political administration is in power. It's why i believe that any attempt to create a dictatorship in this country would be put down quickly by the armed forces, because we are loyal to the ideals this nation was founded upon, and not any one single POLITICAL IDEOLOGY. Strong Central Governments are way to easy to become tyrannies, and so-called 'Liberal' governments are the ones most prone to become tyrannies. Because they believe with all their hearts that they KNOW Better than everyone else what is best for them. Try getting a Happy Meal with a toy in it in some parts of California, or buying a sugary snack or drinks in some government buildings in New York... or even 'hate speech' laws in Canada as evidence of this trend. Yes the Right can get tyrannical when it comes to forcing Moral issues on people, but even they are called on the carpet by others on the Right when to many times those on the Left defend 'nanny state' moves when they come from the left side of the political spectrum. Thus my belief that the Morrow Project would be working to set things up with as little political interference as possible. Because Politics and Religion are two things that cause fights more than anything else. Even when you are not trying to start one when you are just trying to explain your position or what you believe. As for the MorrowNet name for the Project's Shadow internet, it sounds good... but is a little long. especially when something like MPNET works as a .mpnet prefix at the end of a URL address (like .gov is used by official US government websites).  Thus why i used it for the name of the network. of course there would be other prefixes that they'd use for various parts of the network... but we wouldn't have to actually say that since we already have .com, .net, .gov, and plenty more.
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Fuck being a hero. Do you know what you get for being a hero? Nothing! You get shot at. You get a little pat on the back, blah blah blah, attaboy! You get divorced... Your wife can't remember your last name, your kids don't want to talk to you... You get to eat a lot of meals by yourself. Trust me kid, nobody wants to be that guy. I do this because there is nobody else to do it right now. Believe me if there was somebody else to do it, I would let them do it. There's not, so I'm doing it.
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11-08-2010, 04:47 PM
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CC (Command & Control Team)
S (Science) M (Mars) R (Recon) AG (Agricultural Team) AV (Aviation Team) CA (Civil Affairs Team) DT (Decontamination Team) EC (Engineering & Construction Team) FW (Frozen Watch) LS (Logistics & Supply Team) HM (Health & Medical Team) PT (Personnel & Training Team) PG (Power Generation & Reception Team) PO (Psychological Operations Team) OPS (Operations Team) RAT (Rapid Assistance Team) ST (Support Team) SP (Special Purpose Team) PHOENIX (Phoenix Team) MS (Maintenance & Support Team) CT (Combined Team) LE (Law Enforcement Team)
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Fuck being a hero. Do you know what you get for being a hero? Nothing! You get shot at. You get a little pat on the back, blah blah blah, attaboy! You get divorced... Your wife can't remember your last name, your kids don't want to talk to you... You get to eat a lot of meals by yourself. Trust me kid, nobody wants to be that guy. I do this because there is nobody else to do it right now. Believe me if there was somebody else to do it, I would let them do it. There's not, so I'm doing it.
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11-08-2010, 06:34 PM
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I'm glad you kind of pulled back from defining the Project's goal in an ideological sense. If nothing else, Project members from the left and right need to be able to work together toward a common goal without squabbling over politics and the meaning of "big government" or "tyranny". As for the name change for MORONET/MORROWNET, I hear you. It's a closed intranet so does DNS address system really matter? Plus, did they even have that in the 80's? Maybe my not wanting to "update" the Project is because I'm conservative and resistant to change simply for change's sake...  Doing some more research, it seems the IP system (IPv4) does pre-date the final Project update in 1987, so it could have been built into the MPC (Morrow Project Computer) architecture. As one of my players points out, it would be best to go with simply using IP addresses with password promts and not full domain names. "Less likley of anyone finding them or knowing how to access them with out knowing what class address the MP grooup was using. That and it would give a huge range as in the 80 you could still get all three of the class adresses A, B, & C." - Timothy Coffey Tony Last edited by helbent4; 11-08-2010 at 07:48 PM.
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11-08-2010, 07:29 PM
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I normally go with a later TEOTWAWKI Event happening to allow for the project to have the time to stockpile all the resources and personnel to be sufficient for rebuilding after a nuke exchange. 1962 to 2012 gives the project the Fifty years to do this and develop the extremely high-tech gear and equipment that they've got acess too.
I do have in my timeline that i've been putting together the initial cryo-hibernation tube technology as having been started by a group of Nazi Scientists who used those in concentration camps for human experimental guinea pigs. This also makes it easier to explain something like Damocles and the remote controlled unmanned vehicles that it uses to protect itself. And it also allows for NEW players to get into the game world and enjoy it. It's one of the things i enjoyed that Chris said that GMs and Players would be able to decide when TEOTWAWKI Event actually happened.
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Fuck being a hero. Do you know what you get for being a hero? Nothing! You get shot at. You get a little pat on the back, blah blah blah, attaboy! You get divorced... Your wife can't remember your last name, your kids don't want to talk to you... You get to eat a lot of meals by yourself. Trust me kid, nobody wants to be that guy. I do this because there is nobody else to do it right now. Believe me if there was somebody else to do it, I would let them do it. There's not, so I'm doing it.
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11-09-2010, 04:35 AM
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It seems to me many PDs change the timeline simply to accommodate their favourite pet "3G toys" (Guns, Gear and/or Ground vehicles) or feel because WWIII didn't happen before the Cold War ended and therefore it's "outdated". I liked someone else's rationale for the canon timeline: TMP is set an alternative timeline (which is literally true according to TM 1-1) so just go with it. We may never get to the time when Damocles is possible and TEOTWAWKI hasn't happened, so why chase a target that recedes as time goes on? In an alternative timeline, rogue AIs like Damocles are just as plausible as cryotubes, fusion power, powered armour and miraculous medical advances. I love your origin for cryotube technology, but again, it's an alternative timeline and many things are possible. My understanding from people who worked on the 4th edition is that players and PDs aren't going to be given the choice on TEOTWAWKI, including the original Cold War timeline. The only information and background available is for an "updated" Project timeline, take it or leave it. If 4th ed. ever comes out I hope it's better and more successful than other well-meaning "improvements" on well-loved games like T2013 and Mega-Traveller/TNE/T20/G:T, etc. Or at least more flexible and inclusive. My information on 4th ed. TMP is secondhand and may be incorrect. The Cold War is over and Communism is no longer a dire threat to our daily lives. Updating TMP to modern times makes it pale and generic compared to the existential horror of the Cold War that we lived through. Tony Last edited by helbent4; 11-09-2010 at 06:26 AM.
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