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For the U.S., it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. If we don't support Libya, we lose popular support in the region (public opinion in Tunisia & Egypt seems to favor the NFZ and the Arab Legue voted unanimously to support an NFZ [w/ two contries abstaining]). If we do though, we look like warmongering hypocrits to the rest of the world. I'm sure that Bin Laden is going to have a field day with this.
I get the impression that the French were pushing really hard for this no fly zone. It's good to see that they are actually doing some of the heavy lifting this time around. If the NATO air assets target Libyan armor and artillery (and there is some indication that they have already begun to do so), it could start to swing the fighting back in favor of the rebels. Also, I heard today on NPR that the Libyan fighter shot down yesterday (a rather dramatic pic of it going down in flames was all over the web) was a rebel plane attempting to defend Bengazi that was mistakenly shot down by the rebels.
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I thought Bosnia proved how useless a no-fly zone really is. the buggers just painted red crosses on their transport helos and kept moving troops in to massacre the civvies.
You need boots on the ground to conduct any kind of war. Since Gulf 91 politicians have this idea that all you need is air strikes.
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I see a difference between Libya and Bahrain:
Libya is basically a civil war with the current dictator well known for his "casual" attitude towards civil rights. Bahrain on the other hand is not a civil war. Yes, it's a rather heavy handed use of military force, but it's not a shooting war like Libya.
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The pressure of the air campaign against Serbia in '99 eventually led to their withdrawal from Kosovo and the end of the Balkan Wars of the '90s.
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I'm not saying air power isn't effective but it does not solve these kinds of Humanitarian crises. How many civvies where butchered while we where merrily blowing up air defences and such in Bosnia? The no fly zone let Saddam butcher his own folks for a DECADE before the 2nd war kicked off in 2003. No fly zones on their own do not solve these problems but allow politicans the illusion of doing something.
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If there must be outside boots on the ground than they must be arab and only in a peace keeping role.
If NATO troops go in there than it would be Iraq all over again and the Arab world will turn against us even more than they have at the moment. You might get away with sending in Turk troops if NATO really wants to send troops but with the problems they are having with the Kurds I very much doubt we will see them offering any. Support the rebels with SF and air power etc, but at the end of the day they have to fight the fight. All we are doing is leveling the playing field. |
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Based on what I'm hearing on the news, I feel that the political will to commit troops in any kind of role just isn't there.
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About a year? Not bad considering all that came before. No, the air campaign against Serbia was not quite as clean as that launched against Saddam in '91, but it got results. Milosovic was out of office a year or two later and the Balkans have been relatively peaceful since. IIRC, the only ground forces committed were a UN peacekeeping force.
Aside from a few SF types, I doubt that we'll see Americans on the ground in Libya. We're too strung out as it is and we don't have a good history there (..."to the shores of Tripoli"...). Logistically and militarily speaking, France would be the logical choice but their colonial history in the region might rub many in the region the wrong way.
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de ja vue? Seems there was similar actions back about what 25 years ago? Let'em kill each other off, and let allie sort 'em out. If the Arabs want him out, let THEM do it, of course they won't becaues they'll get their a$$ kicked.. they already are waffling on actions taken... best thing to do to the whole fkn region is turn it into a giant mirror.. from the atlantic to the himalayas... you can rebore through glass can't you?
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You are right Paul, we do have to eventually put boots on the ground if we want to show that we are backing the rebels. The main thing is where are they goign to find the force to to move over there....
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Of course Obama has ruled US boots on the ground out of the question...
Which begs the question, who else can fill the void? I'm thinking France is placed well....
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