Dust off your books, Russia's going full-USSR rewind.

[raketenjagdpanzer]

Originally Posted by stormlion1

The Russians have that going for them, they have tons of equipment stocked away for a rainy day. It might be covered in packing grease or rust considering who stockpiled it away, but they got it. It just takes so much extra vodka to convince the troops to clean the rust up though.
I remember reading a report years back about a warehouse full of artillery pieces from the Second World War that had been in storage in the nowheresville of Siberia. I wonder how much there really is.

I've heard likewise about aircraft going all the way back to the MiG-15. Who knows.

Of course, one might argue that by the time they're reduced to flying MiG-15s it "won't matter" but if everything else on either side is atritted, then a MiG-15 is as good as an F22 as far as having something in the air goes.

[WallShadow]

Originally Posted by raketenjagdpanzer

...Of course, one might argue that by the time they're reduced to flying MiG-15s it "won't matter" but if everything else on either side is atritted, then a MiG-15 is as good as an F22 as far as having something in the air goes.

If the MiG has vacuum-tube technology that's survived numerous EMP-blasts, it's probably better than the F-22.

[stormlion1]

Comes down to how there stored. Russians are good for storing some gear but I've seen pictures of an airplane storage yard and it was covered in weeds higher than the planes were and a Tank Storage Depot where the paint had come off from the weather. Maybe there salvageable? I don't know. But they still have crates full of boots, uniforms, rifles, submachine guns, landmines, and other assorted weapons and stocks that will probably last forever. The question is will they need it? The Russian Military isn't the sad excuse it was a few years back. Putin if nothing else put them back on there feet and gave them there pride again.

[pmulcahy11b]

We (Meaning the US) can't intervene in Ukraine. That would put us head-to-head with the Russians, and that is fraught with danger that could conceivably lead down the path to WWIII. Real-life T2K scenario, anyone?

What we need to do is let our NATO allies deal with it. They do have the troops and firepower, as much as they would like everyone to believe they don't. It's time for the Europeans to stop being pussies.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

We (Meaning the US) can't intervene in Ukraine. That would put us head-to-head with the Russians, and that is fraught with danger that could conceivably lead down the path to WWIII. Real-life T2K scenario, anyone?

What we need to do is let our NATO allies deal with it. They do have the troops and firepower, as much as they would like everyone to believe they don't. It's time for the Europeans to stop being pussies.

But which NATO allies? Which ones have the kind of heavy armoured formations that would be required to stop Russia right on Russia's doorstep? Germany? Imagine that. Talk about letting the genie out of the bottle. I guess what I'm saying is, putting militaries like Germany's head-to-head with the Russians comes with some pretty serious historical baggage too.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Overheard late last night at the passport check at an airport in Eastern Europe...

Name?
-Matvey Romanovich Naumov.
Nationality?
-Russian.
Occupation?
-No no, we're just visiting.

[stormlion1]

I don't even think the US has tanks in Germany anymore. They were pulled out last year in April. So if it did come down to Armor Formations it will be the Germans and the French gear that would be the first to arrive and be used. Maybe followed up by what we have in the Middle East and the Brits sending gear through the Chunnel. It can handle armor on flatcars right?

[Nowhere Man 1966]

Originally Posted by WallShadow

If the MiG has vacuum-tube technology that's survived numerous EMP-blasts, it's probably better than the F-22.

Heck, given the right circumstances, the F-22 might lose to the MiG-15 in a dogfight.

Chuck

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Nowhere Man 1966

Heck, given the right circumstances, the F-22 might lose to the MiG-15 in a dogfight.

Given the right circumstances an F-22 could be taken down by a goose.

[Nowhere Man 1966]

Originally Posted by Targan

Given the right circumstances an F-22 could be taken down by a goose.

LOL!!! Yeah, it can happen.

Chuck