Correction to Terminology

[TiggerCCW UK]

Don't worry about it - I'm fairly I heard the TDM being referred to by more than just you. Personally I also think TDM sounds better than TM and when we're referring to a nuclear holocaust does a day really make much of a difference?

[Targan]

Ditto. I'm used to seeing TDM now. I say we keep it. Or change it to TGM so it still has three syllables

[Rainbow Six]

I'm with Tigger and Targan...in my opinion the Thanksgiving Massacre is part of T2K folkore and TDM is the best way to refer to it.

Cheers

[Cdnwolf]

Now all depends... was it the CANADIAN Thanksgiving or the AMERICAN Thanksgiving that the massacre occurred on... the Canadian one is in October. LOL

I am still trying to figure out what the hell y'all are even talking about?

[Legbreaker]

Thanksgiving is a strictly north American thing. It's utterly meaningless to the rest of the world.

In my opinion the date of the first, or at least arguably most devestating strategic strikes, should have a reference applicable to all nationalities.

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Thanksgiving is a strictly north American thing. It's utterly meaningless to the rest of the world.

In my opinion the date of the first, or at least arguably most devestating strategic strikes, should have a reference applicable to all nationalities.

...Which is why I refer to it as Black Thursday in my UK work.

[Webstral]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Thanksgiving is a strictly north American thing. It's utterly meaningless to the rest of the world.

In my opinion the date of the first, or at least arguably most devestating strategic strikes, should have a reference applicable to all nationalities.

Wouldn't the qualifier "most devastating" be highly subjective? The strike on New York in Armies of the Night might kill more people than a similar strike near Sydney, but Australians might very well decide that the Sydney strike means more to them.

The idea of some universal term to describe the strategic exchange is in contravention to the idea of a nuclear exchange that staggers upward. Both sides are trying to avoid having the other believe that a general nuclear exchange is happening. Therefore, for the Soviets to attack targets in the United States, Australia, the UK, Canada, etc. on the same day would invite Anglo-American interpretations of general exchange. Twilight: 2000 is predicated on the idea of an exchange that creeps upward in escalation until all parties suffer a TKO.

A good analogy is 9-11. This is a reference to a specifically American event, but it has a value as such. We can equally refer to the attacks on Madrid trains, the attack in Bali, or the London attacks as part of the general war with terror. I suggest, therefore, that each nation will have a defining threshold that is a part of the overall extended nuclear exchange.

Webstral

[Targan]

I think the TDM would stand out in Australians' minds though perhaps not as much as the first nuclear strike on an Australian target. But one of the main reasons the TDM would stand out in the minds of Australians is because from that day onwards very little new electronic media content would come out of the US. It saddens me to say it but a huge amount of TV content in Australia, especially entertainment, and nearly all cinema comes from the US. Even if TV kept broadcasting in most parts of Australia after the lights went out over most of the US, Australians would mark the TDM as the day that the endless American TV re-runs started.

[chico20854]

Originally Posted by Targan

Australians would mark the TDM as the day that the endless American TV re-runs started.

And that is where the horror of the nuclear war really struck home!

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Thanksgiving is a strictly north American thing. It's utterly meaningless to the rest of the world.

Well a good portion of canon is written from the perspective of an American historian. This is most obviously seen in some of the vehicle guides picture captions/descriptions.

[Legbreaker]

This is true. It is a game written from an American viewpoint, predominately by Americans.

However, we are a global community. We have the opportunity as a community to rewrite and correct certain things (take the DC group as an example). Why, a quarter of a century after it was initially written, should we continue to use outdated, inaccurate and generally one sided terminologies?

Yes, individual areas would have their own names for events, this being ever more common as communications broke down (civilian communication and media networks would be hit very hard by EMP and the nukes themselves in my opinion), but does that mean we, as a global community have to use such localised terminology?

Off the top of my head "First Strategic Strike", "Balistic Missile Day", even "Hell Day" (amongst many others) would be just as relevant, and perhaps more accurate than TDM especially since, as Webstral has pointed out, the strikes didn't actually occur on that day...

If the attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon had occured a day later, I rather doubt the event would be refered to as 9-12...

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

If the attacks on the World Trade Centre and Pentagon had occured a day later, I rather doubt the event would be refered to as 9-12...

I am pretty sure it would be called 912. In the US we use the terms 910 and 912 to represent pre attack and post attack mentality. Such as "he is thinking still thinking in a 9-10 world". To be honest the connection to the emergency number, 911, is rarely brought up as that is pronounced "nine one one" not "nine eleven". Does Australia use 911 for emergency numbers. I know Korea uses 119 but they have the most illogical phone number system imaginable (Some numbers have 7 digits and others 8).