Post-TDM Arms Manufacture

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by TiggerCCW UK

Plus it was the 'A-Team' weapon of choice. Doesn't come much higher recommended than that

Er, doesn't that make it one of the most ineffective weapons ever produced given that for all the rounds they fired they never seemed to manage to hit anyone never mind kill them?

[Fusilier]

These weapons were built in Poland during the occupation. I figure if they can be mass produced with an occupying army keeping an eye on the population and resources, they might be suitable for T2k.

Błyskawica submachine gun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C5%82...submachine_gun

KIS Machine Pistol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIS_(weapon)

Filipinka Hand Grenade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filipinka

Sidolówka Hand Grenade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidol%C3%B3wka

[TiggerCCW UK]

Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

Er, doesn't that make it one of the most ineffective weapons ever produced given that for all the rounds they fired they never seemed to manage to hit anyone never mind kill them?

But they did have them loaded with rubber seeking rounds for blowing out the bad guys tyres :-)

[JHart]

Er, doesn't that make it one of the most ineffective weapons ever produced given that for all the rounds they fired they never seemed to manage to hit anyone never mind kill them?

To be fair to the A-Team, they were in trouble for crime they were framed for. Had they actually killed someone while on a job, they'd be on the hook for murder.


ON topic, guns in the US shouldn't be to hard to find. I would think the same for Europe. While there may not be as many civilian weapons in Europe, there would be plenty of military weapons. I'd be much more focused on making ammo.

[Graebarde]

Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

Er, doesn't that make it one of the most ineffective weapons ever produced given that for all the rounds they fired they never seemed to manage to hit anyone never mind kill them?

They prefered to use scare tactics.. aim to miss and scare the bad guys..

[simonmark6]

Hey! Quit your jibber jabber! There's no need to diss the A-Team.

[headquarters]

..the A-Team were busy springing the looney helicopter pilot when they suddenly became aware that someone was using them to hi jack at hread..furious B.A roared "FOOL!" .But Hannibal only guaffed ..What was a little thread jacking as long they never did get to the bottom of who framed them..

the end

anyways-

try googling Mr Luty and expedient homemade guns ,british standard gun etc

you should come up with a few rather easily made types of firearms made fromfreely available stuff that could be good to go in game settings..

found the link again

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO...m/index-2.html

otherwise -what Fusilier said is absolutely most practical .Rifle barrels need to withstand a lot of pressure.Making one that is light enough to carry around isnt in my definition of simple technology .But we all have our own I guess.

Good old sten gun of course .The Russian PPsh-43 and the -41 to some extent . Maybe something using existing parts to build a standard gunlike the ppsh - 41 was made from old moisin nagant rifle barrels in the beginning.
(all of the above are on our V.2.0 sit eby the way )

[Canadian Army]

The MAT-49 and MAT-49/54; french sub-machine guns; used a machine stamping process which allowed the economical production of large numbers of submachine guns. I don't know much about machining, but think this means it could be made quickly and by just about any one with machining skills?

[jester]

The difference is the following:

Machining is where you have large solid piece of metal. And you need to mill and drill and grind that piece of metal into the shape of what it is your are building.

An example most bolts are made through a milling process. Look at the grooves and holes and such. That is an example of machining.

Then we have forging; this is where the item is more or less build in a mold, some machining is normaly used after this process to finish the product.

Then stamping, this is nothing more than a piece of sheet metal and it is placed in a press. The press comes down "STAMPING" the part into the shape you are trying to get.

Some examples:

AKM uses a stamped reciver, the original AK47 used a Milled reciever.

M16 is forged with some milling

L1A1 forged with milling

Sten, Sterling, PPsH series stamped

M1a1 Thompson, milled
M1 Garand Milled
MP 38 Machined
MP40 stamped

MG 34 machined
MG 40 stamped

Most pistols are forged with some mill work done unless they are polymers of course.

Basicaly the stamped item is less robust, but it is also completed by a less skiller person with 1 action, the falling of a punch press. The press falls on the metal and "WHAM!" your part is made.

Forging, your metal needs to be really hot, you have to have tools, maybe a mold and then finish work.

Milling, there is ALOT of wastage, and you need alot of equipment machines and such and skiller people to operated them.

And the time involved as well.

[Canadian Army]

Thanks for the explanation; That help a lot.