WarPac Vehicle Guide?

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by chico20854

...the net result of the 1996 campaign season on the Chinese army was zero - that the 80-some new divisions feared by the Soviet politburu prior to Tchaikovskiy were either not raised, raised and destroyed during the year, disbanded to bring existing units back up to strength, or simply took the unit numbers of units that had been wiped out.

Seems like a logical approach.

[Muti]

Chico, you are simply A M A Z I N G !

[General Pain]

Originally Posted by Muti

Chico, you are simply A M A Z I N G !

Well that's true ...indeed...however Muti you might have use for some of mine and HQs work - loads of tanks,airplanes and whatnot

http://thebigbookofwar.50megs.com/DOX/

[Muti]

Originally Posted by General Pain

Well that's true ...indeed...however Muti you might have use for some of mine and HQs work - loads of tanks,airplanes and whatnot

http://thebigbookofwar.50megs.com/DOX/

Thank you! I really appreciated it.

[chico20854]

Originally Posted by Muti

Chico, you are simply A M A Z I N G !

Thanks!

Looking at the file history, I started working on that document in January 2007. Research for it started in early 2004 and called on sources in English, Bulgarian, Czech, Hungarian, Polish, Romanian and Russia. At times the rest of the guys in the DC Group were frustrated that when it was looking like an end was in sight, I'd find another source and re-open a can of worms (like when I discovered a comprehensive list of Mobilization-only divisions for 1985). I'm glad its done!!! (Although I need to do an update to put the division's readiness category on the TVD-level sheet rather than leaving on the summary document).

It's up to Jason to transform it into a Vehicle Guide!

[Muti]

Finally I had the time to read all the OOBs but now I have several doubts mainly because my english is not good as yours!

1) First of all, what do you mean for "Direct reporting"? Maybe something like: "Independent units"?

2) What do you mean for "Spare"? For example: "Spare Artillery Brigade" or "Spare Motor-Rifle Division"?

3) What is the TOE for a Missile Brigade? And for a KGB Motor-Rifle Regiment, a Border Guard Battalion and a Special Border Control Battalion?

Thank you in advance for your patience!

[chico20854]

Originally Posted by Muti

Finally I had the time to read all the OOBs but now I have several doubts mainly because my english is not good as yours!

1) First of all, what do you mean for "Direct reporting"? Maybe something like: "Independent units"?

2) What do you mean for "Spare"? For example: "Spare Artillery Brigade" or "Spare Motor-Rifle Division"?

3) What is the TOE for a Missile Brigade? And for a KGB Motor-Rifle Regiment, a Border Guard Battalion and a Special Border Control Battalion?

Thank you in advance for your patience!

1) Direct reporting units report to the Front/Army headquarters without any headquarters in between - for example, an independent battalion that reports to an army headquarters rather than a regiment or division.

2) Spare units were mobilization-only units that had at most a small cadre although often fairly complete equipment sets. (For example, when the Soviet forces in Mongolia upgraded from T-62s to T-72s, they sent the complete set of tanks to spare units in Siberia.)

3) The missile brigades varied depending on the number of systems they had. In general, batteries had 2 or 3 TELs, grouped into battalions with 2-4 missile batteries, a meterological detachment, engineers, maintenance and guard units. 1-3 battalions per brigade.

Border Battalion: 4 infantry companies, mortar battery (mix of 82mm Vasilyek and 120mm), AT platoon with SPG-9 recoilless rifles. Foot, horse, ski or truck mobile.

Reaction (Mechanized) Battalion: 1 BMP-2 infantry company (10 BMPs), 4 BTR infantry companies (40 BTRs total), tank company (10 T-80s), mortar battery (as in border battalion), AT platoon with SPG-9s. Trucks for units not in APCs/IFVs.

Air Assault Battalion: as border battalion.

Border Guard Brigade: 3 border battalions, 1 reaction battalion, engineer company, artillery battery (6 76mm light guns), rocket battery (9 BM-21s). May be wilderness or mountain capable, depending on area of peacetime employment.

KGB Motor-Rifle Regiment: 4 reaction battalions, 1 air assault battalion, engineer battalion, artillery battalion (12 76mm light guns), rocket battery (12 BM-21s).

Border Aviation Regiment: 18 attack helicopters.

[Muti]

Great! Thank you Chico, by the way, where you found those information? For Soviet TOEs I have the Twilight 2000 sourcebooks, some books from Osprey and the FM 100-2-3 "Soviet Army: Troops, Organization and Equipment".

[chico20854]

Originally Posted by Muti

Great! Thank you Chico, by the way, where you found those information? For Soviet TOEs I have the Twilight 2000 sourcebooks, some books from Osprey and the FM 100-2-3 "Soviet Army: Troops, Organization and Equipment".

The KGB Border Guards is an average of information from the 80s. There were about 80 border detachments, and the number of battalions varied according to the terrain. The border guard brigades therefore represent an average of some of the specific units I found information about. The tanks and artillery were frequently referenced (in both Western and Russian sources) but I couldn't find where they fit in the TOEs, so I had to make some assumptions. The KGB Motor-Rifle Regiments likewise represent an average of the Border Guard Mobile Groups which were in action in Afghanistan. The information on the TOEs comes from forums for vets of the Border Guards, http://www.ryadovoy.ru/forum/index.php?topic=16 and
http://forum.pogranichnik.ru/ both in Russian. (I spent a LOT of time with google translate, since I don't speak Russian although I can read bits of it!)

For the Soviet Army I got TOEs from the same sources you used, plus "Weapons & Tactics of the Soviet Army" by David Isby, the forums at tank-net.org and the following:

Fes'kov V.I.: "The Soviet Army in the Years of the "Cold War" (1945-1991)" online in Russian at: http://www.soldat.ru/files/f/000000d8.pdf
soldat.ru forums (in Russian)
airborne & Spetsnaz (in Russian): http://desantura.ru/forums/index.php?
Armed forces of the USSR (in Russian): http://www8.brinkster.com/vad777/sssr-89-91/sssr.htm
Rubezh forums (in Russian) online at: http://ryadovoy.ru/forum/index.php

Bulgaria:
boinaslava.net forum disscusion (in Bulgarian) at: http://forum.boinaslava.net/showthread.php?t=7695

Czechoslovakia:
http://armada.vojenstvi.cz/

Hungary:
(in Hungarian) http://forum.index.hu/Article/showAr...12&la=51202149

Poland:
Serwisu Militarnego forum post "Wojsko Polskie w 1986 r" (in Polish) at: http://www.serwis-militarny.net/link...ik=lwp1986.zip