OT: Gunowners vrs doctors

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by waiting4something

Yes, well that is nothing to be proud of, is it?

I disagree.

It all depends -the view of the UN is different from place to place and person to person .I believe -based on studies done on this side of the Atlantic that the changes in UN/US relations come from the opposition the US has faced from the UN over the last 3 - 4 decades in regards to its foreign policies .At one time the UN was more aligned with the US in its views and policies , then as a gap between the UN and the US widened a negative perception towards the UN took hold in the US.
Anyways..
That the UN should be the cause of ammo prices going up in the US seems to me to be without grounds.
The UNs work to limit ammo and small arms has nothing at all to do with domestic US policy - its to stem the tide of small arms proliferation into conflicts and wars in the third world.

That any outside party should actually be powerful enough to meddle in US domestic policy or affairs in this way also seems unlikely.

The ammo that you are referring to is more than likely surplus ammo that are present in warzones etc around the globe and that is destroyed to try to keep it from being stockpiled for round two of whatever civil war it was used in .

The law of supply and demand apply - apparently the demand is great so prices are high for some calibers.

Your best option is to try to secure a big load of a caliber you like at a reasonable price first ,and then buy the gun .

[waiting4something]

Originally Posted by headquarters

I disagree.

It all depends -the view of the UN is different from place to place and person to person .I believe -based on studies done on this side of the Atlantic that the changes in UN/US relations come from the opposition the US has faced from the UN over the last 3 - 4 decades in regards to its foreign policies .At one time the UN was more aligned with the US in its views and policies , then as a gap between the UN and the US widened a negative perception towards the UN took hold in the US.
Anyways..
That the UN should be the cause of ammo prices going up in the US seems to me to be without grounds.
The UNs work to limit ammo and small arms has nothing at all to do with domestic US policy - its to stem the tide of small arms proliferation into conflicts and wars in the third world.

That any outside party should actually be powerful enough to meddle in US domestic policy or affairs in this way also seems unlikely.

The ammo that you are referring to is more than likely surplus ammo that are present in warzones etc around the globe and that is destroyed to try to keep it from being stockpiled for round two of whatever civil war it was used in .

The law of supply and demand apply - apparently the demand is great so prices are high for some calibers.

Your best option is to try to secure a big load of a caliber you like at a reasonable price first ,and then buy the gun .

The U.N. likes to destroy surplus ammo that could be sold to the U.S. They don't really like our 2nd Amendment. I remember there was this Great UN Gun Debate between this U.N. lady Rebecca Peters and the NRA's Wayne Lapierre that really shows the true colors well. Do I think the U.N. can meddle in U.S. affairs? Yes. Especially when backed with a lot of money, or rich or powerful Americans that agree with these jokers. Actually all calibers are high priced now days, not just military ones. As far as buying ammo first why? I mean I would rather have a club then bullets to throw by hand at people. That is part of the strategy. Get the people to become ok with it. Then take a little more, and a little more, and so on.

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by waiting4something

The U.N. likes to destroy surplus ammo that could be sold to the U.S. They don't really like our 2nd Amendment. I remember there was this Great UN Gun Debate between this U.N. lady Rebecca Peters and the NRA's Wayne Lapierre that really shows the true colors well. Do I think the U.N. can meddle in U.S. affairs? Yes. Especially when backed with a lot of money, or rich or powerful Americans that agree with these jokers. Actually all calibers are high priced now days, not just military ones. As far as buying ammo first why? I mean I would rather have a club then bullets to throw by hand at people. That is part of the strategy. Get the people to become ok with it. Then take a little more, and a little more, and so on.

I do not think there are any actual grounds for this statement.

I do not think there is any way to substantiate that the UN actively opposes the US constitution.(2nd amendment in particular ).

Rebecca Peters is not in any capacity working for the UN.(Googled her ).She is part of an Australian anti gun lobby organization and an international NGO in the same field.

The idea that the UN is after the 2nd amendment I think you would be hard pressed to find any facts on .
The fact that many wealthy Americans back antigun legislation and organizations is a domestic issue in the US and nothing to do with the UN whatsoever.

Again -if the UN actually destroys ammo we are talking stockpiles in warzones etc to keep from fuelling further war.I cannot see that there is anythig to suggest that the UN would buy and subsequently destroy ammo to keep it from reaching the US markets.

The US can veto any and all direct actions against any sovereign state in the security council hearings (where it is a permanent member) ,meaning that any formal action like war,blockade,sanctions ,wording of important documents etc has to be approved by the US .If Washington doesnt like-its not going to happen.

In my view the US is the one dictating the UN and not the other way around.The US could pull the plug on the whole UN by refusing to pay its yearly monetary contribution and pressuring a few other key states to back out of the organization.Poof ! UN reduced to a discussion club with no funding and would defacto collaps in less than a year.Or at least loose all legitimacy.

As for ammoprizes - I agree that they are high and would wish i could get mine cheaper.But the price of rawmaterials,labour and the general demand are to blame for the prices.

[Jason]

I agree with Headquarters on this one. I am a 2nd Amendment fanatic and I own several firearms. The opposition to the 2nd Amendment in the U.S. is not driven by the U.N., but rather by special-interest groups. Current ammo shortages are due to an over-reaction to the election of Obama.

In fact, I now have more gun rights than I did when Obama took office, so I do not understand why people are hoarding.

[waiting4something]

I yahooed Peters, and came up with the UN chronicle and she is in bed with the UN. She is the director of International Action Network on Small Arms. She may not be a UN employee, but they sure like to to listen to what she says. It find it funny how the UN also has a a statue of a Colt Python with the barrel tied in a knot. If they recognize her, then that isn't a good sign.
Don't believe the U.S.A. is the power keg we used to be. Remember we are up to are necks in borrowed money. The big old U.S.A. is ok with shitting on people over money remember. That's why we like to send American jobs over sea's.

[kato13]

I kinda thought this thread was too political at the start and has certainly drifted further in that direction. Going to end it.