Twilight 2013

[drashal]

i have a comment on the ammo situation , if this is the players backup weapon he does not use it a lot so he will go through ammo a lot slower than his main weapon so even if you are running at war + 2 years its not unbelievable for the player to have 35 to 60 rounds left for the weapon and thats if he started the war with only two boxes of ammo. at 50 rounds a box which is not unrealistic for a weapon owner to have on hand at balloon day more if the players background is a survivalist type . plus while .454 ammo is not common so are the guns that use it so in a barter situation their is more of a chance that some ammo dealer would have it. i would expect the .22 long to be one of the first ammo types to vanish of the markets long before some of the more exotics

[Gabe The Gun]

The rules are very good in my opinion, I espacially like the character generation process. It is very in depth and detailed, takes longer but you feel alot more control over who and what your character is and can do.

[kato13]

I really like the character creation process. I mapped it out a while back when I was considering making it into a web application. I think it could be useful as it lists the page numbers you need to go to as you move through the process. A note this includes all the optional rules and it is not as complicated as it looks.

[Mohoender]

Doesn't that remind of a thread on powerpoint being the ennemy??

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Mohoender

Doesn't that remind of a thread on powerpoint being the ennemy??

Dang! Beat me to the zinger!

[jester]

Kato,

Shame on you for brining the vilest of things to this group, POWERPOINT!!

NO!

NO!

SHAME! SHAME ON YOU!

Now where is my rolled up newspaper?

[Twilight2000v3MM]

Just an FYI -

I'm the GM for Gabes group. Yes he took a .454 beast. I reccomended against it. He has 100 rounds of JHP for it. He's in Kosovo. No, he probably wont find any ammo. He's aware of this. I will bet that once he fires that thing in combat he will realize both its advnatages (as in damage) and its disadvantages (speed, capacity, and RECOIL).

Gabe created a VERY plausible character and has played him very well. I will vouch he is no munchkin.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by jester

Kato,

Shame on you for brining the vilest of things to this group, POWERPOINT!!

NO!

NO!

SHAME! SHAME ON YOU!

Now where is my rolled up newspaper?

It's not powerpoint it is visio. I have never actually created anything in powerpoint. Visio is kinda cool. Below is an example of something I have been doing in visio using my custom built TO&E font.

[Gabe The Gun]

2013 is The BEST game out there!

[Snake Eyes]

We melted faces on Sunday.

Maybe Gabe will provide an after-action report.

[Gabe The Gun]

Originally Posted by kato13

I really like the character creation process. I mapped it out a while back when I was considering making it into a web application. I think it could be useful as it lists the page numbers you need to go to as you move through the process. A note this includes all the optional rules and it is not as complicated as it looks.

Wow Kato! Great job, I think the table you created is a great idea, very good job sir! A+............I can definitely see where it could save you some time during character gen, especially if you had some newbs.

[Dog 6]

Kato that looks very good. Is your M-1 AEV the same one from Armor back in the 90's ?

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Just to add support to Drashal's comment, the few people I used to know who were pistol shooters typically had a few hundred rounds of ammo for each pistol. Granted, most of them reloaded their cases but they would often have two or three boxes of factory-made ammo as well as their reloads.
So a possible mix for them would be 200-300 reloaded rounds and 50-150 factory rounds.
For the more unusual/harder-to-get rounds you could probably cut that number in half straight away and prossibly cut it down as much as to 20-25% but there's still a good chance that a person would still have a good ammo load when the SHTF.

Originally Posted by drashal

i have a comment on the ammo situation , if this is the players backup weapon he does not use it a lot so he will go through ammo a lot slower than his main weapon so even if you are running at war + 2 years its not unbelievable for the player to have 35 to 60 rounds left for the weapon and thats if he started the war with only two boxes of ammo. at 50 rounds a box which is not unrealistic for a weapon owner to have on hand at balloon day more if the players background is a survivalist type . plus while .454 ammo is not common so are the guns that use it so in a barter situation their is more of a chance that some ammo dealer would have it. i would expect the .22 long to be one of the first ammo types to vanish of the markets long before some of the more exotics

[jester]

I would think for exotic rounds we would have two extremes. Few rounds, 1 box or less. Or ALOT! In excess of 200 rounds, figure 200-400 or more rounds, of prime newly made stuff in the box and then that much or more in reloads with additional components.

In the scenario presented, Deployed in a combat zone with a 454 Casull, I can see at least 4 boxes of ammo, as for it being the .454 or .45 Colt, well, a couples boxes of .454 and double the more common .45 Colt. With a Lee hand reloader and dies to make your rounds last.

I mean think about it, if you knowingly were going toa combat theater durring a time of hostilities and you were taking a non standard caliber, well the chances of not having access to your weapons ammo, due to no mail or shipping interuptions would cause a person to naturaly stock up a supply of ammo. Primary ammo, and then more common secondary ammo for said weapon.

[Twilight2000v3MM]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

Just to add support to Drashal's comment, the few people I used to know who were pistol shooters typically had a few hundred rounds of ammo for each pistol. Granted, most of them reloaded their cases but they would often have two or three boxes of factory-made ammo as well as their reloads.
So a possible mix for them would be 200-300 reloaded rounds and 50-150 factory rounds.
For the more unusual/harder-to-get rounds you could probably cut that number in half straight away and prossibly cut it down as much as to 20-25% but there's still a good chance that a person would still have a good ammo load when the SHTF.

Yup I totally agree with you but .454 Casull is NOT a combat round its a hunting round.

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Twilight2000v3MM

Yup I totally agree with you but .454 Casull is NOT a combat round its a hunting round.

It's also carried as a "backpacking" gun by some hikers -- a couple of .454 Casull rounds hitting them will usually make a bear or cougar think twice -- if you see them coming in time.