Quebec Referendum

[Fusilier]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Yes, but the NATO Vehicle Guide V.1 gave the Canadians only the 4th Mech. Brigade in Germany and the Special Service Force in Norway.

I'd say that is because the 5th was withdrawn from central Europe with OP Omega as per the challenge articles related to Canada. And that's all we can maintain in WW3.

We aren't built for much more than that. Thinking we can field more than what is listed already is "gamey" in my opinion.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Fusilier

I'd say that is because the 5th was withdrawn from central Europe with OP Omega as per the challenge articles related to Canada. And that's all we can maintain in WW3.

We aren't built for much more than that. Thinking we can field more than what is listed already is "gamey" in my opinion.

Yes, but the NATO Vehicle Guide is set in July 2000, months before OP Omega. And yet it still does not mention the 5th. On the other hand the Challenge magazine article regarding Canada (set in early 2001 IIRC) has a handful of francophone units which are listed as recently returned from Europe. Which of course makes this yet another case where two sources of T2K/2300AD canon material conflict. Long time fans of GDW will note that this happened a lot.

We could reconcile this by saying that the beginning of the Sino-Soviet War (mid-August) put NATO on high alert. Canada, as per pre-war plans, began to deploy elements of the 5th to West Germany. Once the referendum occurred this was halted. Not wanting to pour more fuel on the fire Canada with the insistence of the US and UK kept those reinforcements in Europe instead of returning them to Canada. When the fighting broke out along the IGB these extra battalions, some of which were francophone, were rolled into the 4th Brigade which became vastly over-strength. Once OP Omega rolled around the distinction between anglo and francophone units had been lost and all Canadian units were withdrawn. Unfortunately, the ongoing Canadian Civil War tested loyalties and some of the francophone units deserted to the French backed Quebec government.

How does that sound?

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by Fusilier

We aren't built for much more than that. Thinking we can field more than what is listed already is "gamey" in my opinion.

That's true of all unit strengths listed in T2K canon. For one, I think in general that more vehicles would have survived the war in general, but that's probably just a personal bias, I'll admit. However, the T2K canon unit strengths list only tanks, a few light tanks, and APCs and IFVs. There are a LOT more vehicles in the various divisions and brigades in the world, ranging from jeeps, trucks, and unarmored tracked carriers ATGM vehicles, SAM vehicles, and tank destroyers. There are HORDES of vehicles NOT accounted for in T2K canon unit strengths.

[Dogger]

In my game, it's around mid 2004. By this time Quebec as declared independence (soon after the nukes fell) and has joined the French Republic, hoping to receive economic and reconstruction aid which France has sent a little.

Currently, Quebec houses a French infantry division & Quebecois and French troops are "stabilizing" large areas of the US New England states.

My players are still down in Texas (and Australia...I'll explain how that happen at some other time.) so most of what they're hearing is rumors of "French occupation" of New England. I'm kind of setting the stage for a future game arc where Civgov & Milgov may join forces to 'repel' the invaders and thus start down the road to eventual reconciliation.