Stuff you have because you've played Twilight:2000

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

Yup a real Dragunov, Chinese NDM-86 in 7.62x54r. Every dang character I play just has to have one. Its one of the sexiest damned rifles ever made.

[Mock26]

Not inspired by Twilight 2000, but I have a large collection of primitive firestarting items, such as a fire bow, flint and steel, and a fire piston. I know how to use all three of them, though I am not proficient with the fire bow.

[waiting4something]

Originally Posted by Cpl. Kalkwarf

Yup a real Dragunov, Chinese NDM-86 in 7.62x54r. Every dang character I play just has to have one. Its one of the sexiest damned rifles ever made.

Thats cool as hell. The SVT-40 isn't bad either.

[Eddie]

Here is my mostly complete collection. I still have a few at my dad's house for when we go hunting there.

[Mock26]

Originally Posted by Eddie

Here is my mostly complete collection. I still have a few at my dad's house for when we go hunting there.

No offense, but I disapprove of that collection. No muzzleloaders!

[Eddie]

Originally Posted by Mock26

No offense, but I disapprove of that collection. No muzzleloaders!

I have two at my dad's house!

[Mock26]

Originally Posted by Eddie

I have two at my dad's house!

I imagine that muzzleloaders would be somewhat in demand in the Twilight 2000/2013 universe. They would be completely inappropriate for combat but would make for a good hunting weapon, especially for people without access to either reloading equipment and/or smokeless powder or the ability to make smokeless powder.

[Abbott Shaull]

Muzzleloader may seem inappropriate, but you know if you were militia that had 50 or so men with 10 or so rifles/shotguns with other assort pistols and smg, well the muzzleloaders wouldn't look like such a bad option.

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by waiting4something

Thats cool as hell. The SVT-40 isn't bad either.

if you could explain Cpl.Kalkwarf : what is the accuracy like on a Dragunov .

If you use regular factory loads and if you use specific handloads ?

I would like to know.

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

Originally Posted by headquarters

if you could explain Cpl.Kalkwarf : what is the accuracy like on a Dragunov .

If you use regular factory loads and if you use specific handloads ?

I would like to know.

Depends on the ammo, with cheap light ball of various manufacture its in the 2-3 moa range, with sniper ammo or Yugo heavy ball its pretty darn accurate in the 1-2 moa, some guys say the get much better in the sub moa, but alas i do not get allot of practice. Some guys have claimed to get even in the half moa with hand loads. I Do not hand load for it yet, so I Have not done any better then the 1-2 moa range. Though I have Considered it, right now with working 15 hour days it will have to wait a bit. For a DMR or semi auto sniper its not bad and then again right now im so out of practice that I am very happy with the 1-2 moa. This weekend I was going to go to the Old Hornady range and sight in the new 8x scope i got for it, but the dicks at work decided they want to work sat and sun.

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by Cpl. Kalkwarf

Depends on the ammo, with cheap light ball of various manufacture its in the 2-3 moa range, with sniper ammo or Yugo heavy ball its pretty darn accurate in the 1-2 moa, some guys say the get much better in the sub moa, but alas i do not get allot of practice. Some guys have claimed to get even in the half moa with hand loads. I Do not hand load for it yet, so I Have not done any better then the 1-2 moa range. Though I have Considered it, right now with working 15 hour days it will have to wait a bit. For a DMR or semi auto sniper its not bad and then again right now im so out of practice that I am very happy with the 1-2 moa. This weekend I was going to go to the Old Hornady range and sight in the new 8x scope i got for it, but the dicks at work decided they want to work sat and sun.

Good .

Thanks.

I would be well pleased with 1 MOA too.

Getting a new .308 / 7,62x51 soonish . Considering a semi auto over a bolt action .

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

Originally Posted by headquarters

Good .

Thanks.

I would be well pleased with 1 MOA too.

Getting a new .308 / 7,62x51 soonish . Considering a semi auto over a bolt action .

The advantage, should you need it with a semi auto is that you can get a Quicker followup or second shot should you need it. And often in today's modern combat of a DMR it can be a life saver.

I'm kinda partial to the old bolt guns myself, my Remington 700P shoots a constant 1/2 moa with factory match ammo when I do my part. It likes the Remington Premier Match 168gr. Matchking BTHP load. ( I really need to get out and get back in the groove).

What semi auto platform are you thinking? Some of the AR 308s have been getting pretty good results. I have no experience with the FAL or G3. I do have some with the M1a (civ M14). I would love to be able to find/afford the Valmet AK in 308. http://bwfirearms.com/GunPics/valmet78.JPG

[headquarters]

due to regulations we are only allowed to choose from a limited array of semi autos for sport and hunting .

The list has a few interesting ones - the Vepr,the Remington 750,the Browning BAR ( not M1918) ,the Valmet Petra,HK 2000,Sauer 303.A few more too.

I want something stainless/or coated ,synthetic,accurate and with a "silencer/moderator" that I can take into the woods in a torrential rain and just shake the water off and put straight into the safe when I get home .
I want a can on it so that I can hunt and shoot places were I otherwise cant ,and its more comfy.I will accept up to ,but no poorer accuracy than 2 moa . Also it shouldnt look to combat -some of the farmers around here dont think much of guys with combat kit -and I need my contacts intact to get to use their lands.

The Dragunov is super sweet ,but sadly the Izmash model offerd here is available only in the sports category and not the hunting list in our PD bylaws.I cant be bothered to jump through all the hoops required to qualify to get it - I just dont have the time these days.I couldnt even use it for hunting -only sports shooting .The rules are annoying and seem meaningless-but we have to have AND adhere to the gun laws .They should just be different is all.

As for ,ahem,non-sporting or hunting related needs for semiauto longarms I have covered that base with a few well known sporterized articles that are widespread and that trace their origins back to a piece of kit called the M1 Garand as well as my service weapon.One day though...If I get my way.....I will have all I ever wanted in terms of iron....

[weswood]

Originally Posted by Cpl. Kalkwarf

. I do have some with the M1a (civ M14). I would love to be able to find/afford the Valmet AK in 308. http://bwfirearms.com/GunPics/valmet78.JPG

What do you think of the M1A? I've been thinking of getting one for about a year, but the money has been scarce. Then my favorite aunt died last month and left me a little cash (and yes, she was my favorite before she died, as long as I can remember in fact).

On the subject of muzzle loaders, my first real rifle was a CVA .45 Kentucky rifle. My father put it together, turned out beautiful. I think I was 12 at the time. Tall as I was, and I had to brace the barrel to shoot it, couldn't hold it up. We put a set of adjustable sights on it. I hunted with it until I gave up hunting. It still holds #1 position in the gun cabinet, #2 being Pop's shotgun that's been in the family longer than I have.

I can remember the 1st time he took me hunting, I was about 5. He had to tie me to his back like a backpack to climb into the tree stand, then went back down for the shotgun.

[mikeo80]

Originally Posted by headquarters

Good .

Thanks.

I would be well pleased with 1 MOA too.

Getting a new .308 / 7,62x51 soonish . Considering a semi auto over a bolt action .

Stupid question time from a stupid civilian...What is MOA?

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

Stupid question time from a stupid civilian...What is MOA?

MOA - Minute of an Angle or Minute of an Arc. If you divide a circle into 360 parts, you get a Minute of an Angle (1 degree each). It's about a meter wide at 1000 meters. If your rifle has a 1 MOA capability, it can be theoretically expected (in the hands of a competent marksman) to place its rounds consistently within a meter-wide circle at 1000 meters range. Naturally, the rifle used, the shooter's skill, his sighting aids or scope, and the ammunition quality all affect this.

[headquarters]

Originally Posted by mikeo80

Stupid question time from a stupid civilian...What is MOA?

The lower the MOA the better the accuracy .
Roughly said: 1 inch spreading in a group of shots at 100 yards equals 1 moa.
2 inches is 2 moa etc .

sub moa ( 0,5 moa etc ) is very desireable because then you have a really accurate gun .But in the real world 1 moa is still darn good and 2-3 moa is decent ..

all in my humble opinion of course