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07-27-2010, 11:23 PM
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While I am very interested in hearing peoples' opinions on the topic of this thread I fear this is the sort of subject that could lead to conflict on this forum. I and the other moderators will be keeping an eye on this discussion, please lets try not to get too political (because we all know where that leads). If it even looks like starting to get nasty in this thread we'll shut it down.
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07-27-2010, 11:29 PM
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 I bet that the worse for you is to restrain yourself.
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07-28-2010, 01:53 AM
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07-28-2010, 06:31 AM
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Yeah well all I have to say about Pakistan government, is look how may times them and India have turned to the US/UK and Soviet/Russia/China over the past 50 years for supplies. When your ruling government really rules the few large cities in the country and the countryside are ruled by local tribial leader/warlords or whatever you wish to call them. The people who are in the central government are there because they weren't strong enough for their own ambitions local, and nationally well when people get assassinated with regular frequency.
Sad thing is that with many nations it how it is. Their a central government set up in the Capital and they have limited control in many of the other larger cities/towns of the country, but the out in the countryside it the local 'bandits' who rule. Even in the so called Industrialized Nations there are still areas where the government has very little say what goes on. Russia and China have this problem quite regular, but due to the way their government control what is reported, you don't hear about it much. When we do hear about it, then it show the magnitude of the problem. Kinda sad the Russia can't defeat a so called rebel force within their borders, but they can roll over Georgia who by rights of NATO being in the process of joining should of got more support than lip service from Brussel. Even in the US with the FBI which control the crime stats. that get published they pick and choose what crimes they really report. There is reason why Intermodel trains traffic has increase over the years. Just sad that at the same time other commercial trucking has picked up just as fast. There are reason why some trucking companies run their trucks in mini-convoy style of 3 or trucks, and why in some area they may be spread out for a couple miles and in other locales they are grouped and stay together..... I for one do support the troops, used to be one them. The war in Iraq was expensive side-show and took away the focus of the one already in progress. In the end that led to both missions succeeding in limited objectives, but missing the mark in the overall objective in making the world a tad bit safer for everyone. Oh well not wanting to start a flame war... Just some thoughts...
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07-29-2010, 04:07 AM
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The India/Pakistan problems go back to before the 1947 partition and I certainly don't want to open that can of worms!
Like many here I support the troops but oppose the war. Unfortunatly when you have a political class (and I'm not talking party politics here), that has little to no experience of war or even of military service, they feel it OK to start wars where others will do the fighting and dieing. I hope that nobody will lose their lives due to the document exposure, but I fear that a lot will. War is exciting for armchair soldiers like me in an RPG; when the armchair soldiers are politicians moving real people not plastic figures it's a whole different ball game!
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07-29-2010, 06:10 AM
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The Information has been out there for awhile, you needed to know where to look. *Shrug*
The potential lost of life is where I think lot of people have issues with site. What gets to me with this internet thing, it was only matter of time before someone who didn't have clue would become a danger to those in harm way. 20-30 years ago, the entire site would of been shut down and people who contributed to the site would of have been never seen again alive outside of retention centers, but again that another story and soil piece of the pass...
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08-03-2010, 06:37 AM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...d=opinionsbox1
Mmmmm... Looks like this Thiessen is the former speechwriter of George W. Bush and Donald Rumsfeld. Thiessen is also the same guy who said that waterboarding is permitted by the Catholic Church. Even here in Italy (the "heart" of the Catholic world) this sounds ridicolous  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/27/us...iefs.html?_r=1 Thiessen says that USA could use the "Authority of the FBI to Override International Law in Extraterritorial Law Enforcement Activities" or the "US Cyber Command" to conduct full-spectrum cyberspace operations in defense of US national security. I suppose that probably your Washington Post didn't appreciate that Wikileaks contacted the New York Times for the examination of the documents before the publication
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08-03-2010, 08:13 AM
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 As it's wiki, I'm not convinced it's true but if his mother effectively fought during the Warsaw uprising, I hope she is now dead. Last edited by Mohoender; 08-03-2010 at 08:25 AM.
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