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08-30-2010, 07:56 AM
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How did the already-present 19Ds react to being reflagged as Infantry? I remember they had a lot of pride about being sort of special units of Armor.
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08-30-2010, 02:57 PM
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08-30-2010, 11:45 PM
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It was one of those thing such as in the 82nd and 101st Divisions for example one or more Infantry Battalions were flagged to Cavalry Squadron (RSTA)... When this happen the Scout Platoons of the Infantry were slowly replace the 19 series troops with 11 series troops and the 19 moved to the Cavalry Squadron. Conversely the 11 series troops from the former Infantry Battalion turn Cavalry Squadron were move Infantry units either as regular rifle man or one who had on the job training as scout for the Infantry Battalion Scout Platoon.
One has to remember when the US Army went from Pre-2003 organization to one of Unit of Action and then update Brigade Combat Team concept. The Cavalry Squadron for each Brigade was mix bag of Infantry and Armor Battalion that had been re-flagged and newly activated Squadrons. While in some units like the 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team and other Separate Brigades the Cavalry Troop either expanded (173rd) or a unit was re-flagged. In many cases at times there were more 11 series filling slot that were 19 series slots or units were short of the 19 series personnel to fill slots. One of the reasons why it took almost 5 years that on paper the Army said had been done in 3 years. It part of the reason why reading the Order of Battle for some of the CBTs seem more cobbled together than the Divisions that fought in Desert Storm.... Then one has to remember that there have been Armor and other units who have be re-tasked to operate as Motorized Infantry or Foot Infantry while over too. I remember Armor units going over to perform road patrol in HMMWV and Artillery units that would during the day give fire support and at night the same unit would be conducting foot infantry patrols. With the units in Iraq many of the units have equipment over the TO&E due to the broad range of missions the unit maybe called upon to perform. One of the nice things is that at Platoon and Company level the units have more men, vehicle and equipment than they would before 2003. On the down-side there steep learning curve...
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08-31-2010, 05:30 AM
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Conserning the LAV-25's in the Marines the only guys that rode in them was their scouts to my knowledge. Marine infantry rifle companies rode in Am Tracs. How many guys you can fit in a Am Trac's is a good question. Usually it's how many you can cram in there plain and simple. It's not just your squad sometimes you may also get attachments too. Inside the the vehicle you have 3 benches one port, one starboard, and one between them in the center. You also have floor on either side of the center bench.
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08-31-2010, 06:33 AM
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Yes, the going off from information provided form the vehicle guide and what from various sources of the media. There are sundry things such as this I don't claim to be an expert on, thanks for the information.
In vehicle guide it listed as much like the Mech Battalions, and the Marine Division had Recon Battalions. Thanks for point out that is mainly used as scout for the Rifle Regimental HQs and Divisional HQ within the Division.
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08-31-2010, 06:36 AM
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Yeah from what I recall you could squeeze a Marine Platoon with attach personel in like two Am Tracks in a pinch... Three would be better to give breathing room and addition ammo load, but that goes out the window at times..
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08-31-2010, 09:51 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landing_Vehicle_Tracked I believe what he was referring to is this, a descendant: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphibious_Assault_Vehicle Last edited by copeab; 09-01-2010 at 12:05 AM.
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09-01-2010, 09:36 AM
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09-02-2010, 03:57 PM
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09-04-2010, 11:38 PM
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The only Division that would be fighting as complete Division without major reorganization before they get to battle would have been the 2nd ID, 3rd MD, 8th MD, 1st AD, and 3rd AD. After those units the 82nd and 101st may be deployed intact. After that everyone unit will have so many different components than they had before the balloon went up, they wouldn't be able to tell they were the same pre-war unit. Much like that happen in 1939-1941, when a soon to be soft spoken General after being ask to send a Cadre to create a new division responded to the order with an remark he would be happy to send one, but he would need a Cadre sent to his Division to reform it. This was still when the US War Department still was calculating on making 300+ Divisions and part of the reason why only 16-18 Armor Divisions were activated out of several more that could of been, they were were suppose to have 2 Armor and 1 Mechanized Regiment of 3 Battalions. In the end only the 2nd and 3rd Armor survived that organization and the rest were formed into 3 combat command with 3 Armor and 3 Mechanized Battalions (ironically when all assets were add they looked like the Heavy Brigades of today's Army). While the other Armor Battalions were used to reinforcement to Infantry Division and to make independent Armor Battalions that would be allocated to Corps and then the Corps Commander would assigned them to individual Divisions as need. Another thing to note, is that many of the Divisions in Europe from time to time would have Regiments and Combat Commands from other Divisions attached on the regular basis to either replace their own Regiment or Combat Commands that were not ready for combat due to loses. There were time when Division that was suppose to be in the rear for rest and refit would have one Regiment or Combat Command and the support unit there while the other Regiments or Combat Command would be detached working for someone else. Even the 82nd and 101st had extra Airborne Regiment attached to them from the start of the war. They were suppose to go to war with 2 Glider Regiments and 1 Airborne Regiment. By D-Day it was realized shortly afterward that it should be more like 1 Glider and 2 Airborne regiments. The Airborne seem the way to go since the Gliders were so iffy and some people wanted to go 3 Airborne and completely disband the glider units, but with artillery and jeep being deployed gliders only at that time, they still had function. The 506th PIR depending on the source you look at was only attached to the 101st, even though it largely ignore fact until sometime in 1945 when the 2nd Glider Infantry Regiment was finally removed and sent to Airborne school and another Airborne Regiment was attached as the 4th Infantry Regimental Combat Team for the remainder of the war. Some other thoughts...
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09-05-2010, 09:16 AM
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Here is quick look...just off the top of my head...
in Europe. US 7th Army, Europe 197th Mechanized Brigade (7th Army Mobile Reserve) 1st Mechanized Division(-)* 4-1st Mechanized Brigdae (Aviation) 1st Mechanized Artillery Brigade 1st DISCOM 4th Mechanized Division* 4-4th Mechanized Brigade (Aviation) 4th Mechanized Artillery Brigade 4th DISCOM 5th Mechanized Division* 4-5th Mechanized Brigade (Aviation) 5th Mechanized Artillery Brigade 5th DISCOM V Corps 3rd Armor Division 1-3rd Armor Brigade (Armor) 2-3rd Armor Brigade (Armor) 3-3rd Armor Brigade (Armor) 4-3rd Armor Brigade (Aviation) 3rd Armor Artillery Brigade 3rd DISCOM 2-5th Mechanzied Brigade(Mechanized)** 8th Mechanized Division 1-8th Mechanized Brigade (Armor) 2-8th Mechanized Brigade (Mechanized) 3-8th Mechanized Brigade (Mechanized) 4-8th Mechanized Brigade (Aviation) 8th Mechanized Artillery Brigade 8th DISCOM 1-1st Mecahanized Brigade (Armor)** 11th Armor Cavalry Regiment 11th Aviation Brigade VII Corps 1st Armor Division 1-1st Armor Brigade (Armor) 2-1st Armor Brigade (Armor) 3-1st Armor Brigade (Mechanized) 4-1st Armor Brigade (Aviation) 1st Armor Artillery Brigade 1st Armor DISCOM 1-4th Mecahanized Brigade (Armor)** 3rd Mechanized Division 1-3rd Mechanized Brigade (Armor) 2-3rd Mechanized Brigade (Mechanized) 3-3rd Mechanized Brigade (Mechanized) 3rd Mechanized Artillery Brigade 3rd Mechanized DISCOM 2-4th Mechanized Brigade (Armor)** 2nd Armor Cavalry Regiment 12th Avaitioin Brigade III Corps 1st Cavalry Division 1-1st Cavalry Brigade (Armor) 2-1st Cavalry Brigade (Armor) 4-1st Cavalry Brigade (Aviation) 1st Cavalry Artillery Brigade 1st Cavalry DISCOM 1-1st Mecahnized Brigade (Armor)** 3-1st Mechanized Brigade (Mechanized)** 2nd Armor Division 1-2nd Armor Brigade (Armor) 2-2nd Armor Brigade (Armor) 3-2nd Armor Brigade (Mechanized) 4-2nd Armor Brigade (Aviation) 2nd Armor Artillery Brigade 2nd Armor DISCOM 1-5th Mechanized Brigade (Armor)** 3rd Armor Cavalry Regiment Last edited by Abbott Shaull; 09-05-2010 at 09:21 AM.
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09-05-2010, 09:17 AM
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In Norway
Norway Command 10th Mountain Division(-) 1-10th Mountain Brigade 2-10th Mountain Brigade 4-10th Mountain Brigade 10th Artillery Brigade 10th DISCOM
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