British Army Equipment in the Later Twilight War

[pmulcahy11b]

1st Armored? Is this a site I should know about?

[Tegyrius]

No specific site, Paul. I was just making a general reference to the research I did on 1st Armoured Division.

Leg - yeah, I just don't know which of those vehicles, if any, started development that early. I know the REME had CARRVs during Operation Telic, so I suspect it's possible at least a few prototypes would have been around in time for the T2k timeline.
- C.

[Legbreaker]

Hmm, with the first production hull of the Terrier only entering production on the 27th of January 2010, I'd say there's absolutely no chance of it, or the other two vehicles even being conceived in the T2K timeline. I tend to estimate that even in wartime you're looking at a minimum of 18 months from design to the first production models. Therefore these particular vehicle would almost need to be on the drawing board even before hostilities commenced and the requirement for them became known.
Of course that's just three vehicle types - you'd have to look at each one individually to work out if it's a possibility (and I think Paul's probably done 95% of that legwork already).

[Tegyrius]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Hmm, with the first production hull of the Terrier only entering production on the 27th of January 2010, I'd say there's absolutely no chance of it, or the other two vehicles even being conceived in the T2K timeline. I tend to estimate that even in wartime you're looking at a minimum of 18 months from design to the first production models. Therefore these particular vehicle would almost need to be on the drawing board even before hostilities commenced and the requirement for them became known.

Terrier was admittedly the fringe case. It looks like Titan and Trojan weren't contracted until after the turn of the millennium, so all three are out. Pity; I have a soft spot for CEVs and ARVs.

- C.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by Tegyrius

Pity; I have a soft spot for CEVs and ARVs.

You and me both. Probably comes from having to do those jobs by hand back when I was an assault pioneer....

[James Langham]

Going back to the small arms, the M16 was also issued to troops undergoing jungle training in the 1980s in Belize.

One reason I was always told that the cadet units were issued the L98A1 was that a semi-auto version was developed but someone then pointed out the ease to convert to full auto (only). This seems to have been forgotten on the A2 version (where the idea still works). The L86A1 (LSW) was however issued. As an interesting aside the cadet iron sight was actually better than the army's! It was adjustable from 100-500m in 100m increments whilst the army's was set to 300 only (both also had an alternative larger aperture).

The Sea Cadet Corps and Air Training Corps STILL have No4 rifles (.303) in drill purpose versions as seen on Remembrance Day parade every year. I'm not sure if they hold any live fire versions.

[Tackleberry]

First post on here so hi all. I last played TW2000 years ago, but have always wanted to get back into it.

Having carried the L1A1 around various Airbases in Germany in the 80's and then had to use the L85 in both the A1 and A2 guises i have a little info on them. The L1A1 was a beast and was difficult for an average shot to accurately hit at 300m. The L85 is much more accurate, but the kinetic energy of the SS109 5.56x45 round is so much less than the 7.62x51, so do you want to hit him and wound him repeatedly, or risk the misses but put him down with 1 shot?

The Air and Sea cadets both still use the No8 .22 single shot bolt action rifle, and will for a while yet.
All 3 cadet services use the L98A2 and the L81A1 7.62x51 target rifle.

The UK got rid of all of its L1A1's in the early to mid 90's to Africa, with only a couple of hundred still lying around.

The UK would have benefitted from the Small arms factory at Radway Green, Alsager surviving the strikes, so they would have enough ammo in the UK anyway.