The EFCP (Evaluation of Female Combat Personnel) Program

[helbent4]

Nate,

An interesting proposition. Also, this kind of program or one like it would serve in the canon timeline, too, as women are obviously accepted into combat roles during the Twilight War in some capacity.

That said, what is the context of the article? That is, is it written as flavour text for your players? Do you have a particular "voice" in mind?

Tony

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by helbent4

Nate,

An interesting proposition. Also, this kind of program or one like it would serve in the canon timeline, too, as women are obviously accepted into combat roles during the Twilight War in some capacity.

That said, what is the context of the article? That is, is it written as flavour text for your players? Do you have a particular "voice" in mind?

Tony

Very much Flavor text... it's to be one of the articles on the Wiki that i've been working on. I am hoping to make it as an informative article with a voice of someone looking on it as neither a good or bad thing. But something that happened that changed American society and culture. Especially with the Draft actually becoming universal across the board. With only health being a way of getting out of the draft... not money and college deferments only work if you're willing to become an officer after graduation.

[helbent4]

Nate,

You could take a "future omnipotent" view, where the hypothetical author is some kind of scholar detailing an important turning point in the US military.

Describe the program, give dates and examples as necessary. For example, "Bobbi Jo" from the yellow book, and Capt. Warren from "Madonna". Maybe relate this to similar changes in other western military forces.

Note any problems. In Canada, female soldiers have been allowed in all combat roles since 1990. The major problem is attracting women to choose and stay in combat roles. Also, sexual harassment is still an issue, although not necessarily at different rates than before gender integration.

To be honest, what you put seems good enough. Add some examples, hypothetical NPCs from your own game, perhaps, and you should be good to go.

Tony

[natehale1971]

Thats what i was thinking of doing.. I don't have the experience to write it though. I've been out of the Navy since 1993, and while i was in... the female personnel i had to work with USED the fact they were women to get what they wanted. and i got to deal with alot of reverse racism and sexism my last year and half in.

I also had to deal with a female that had been assigned to work with me who had caused all kinds of problems in her 2 years in the navy, she was always making sexual harassment complaints to get ahead until she was working with me and another sailor. when he told her she didn't do the job right, she went straight to the commander and accused him of sexual harassment.

the commander called the Command Senior Chief & the first lieutenant (our supervisors), his exec assistant, him and me into the office and started an improvised little captains mass.

He looked at everyone and then at the man she had accused of sexually haraassing her of all the people in the room (two attractive women, me, the senior chief and my co-worker). he looked around and then at me and said "Spake here is my kind of man." to which i answered "I'm very flattered, but I don't swing that way." and he said "I know, you're so painfully straight it hurts."

The commander dismissed all the enlisted except her, and called the Master-at-Arms and NIS agent in. let's just say her court marital was swift and only ended with her being hussled out of the navy and the lives of the men she ruined was attempted to be put back together again.

I was able to write the basic fluff, but i wasn't able to come up with how it would best be described.

everyone on this forum is welcomed to join and help with all the stuff for the game. especially those who want to play in the campaign i'm putting together.

[Abbott Shaull]

Honestly being through Infantry School at Benning in 1988 and then going to Airborne School afterward the attitude of thing had only start change there.

The views were completely different, there were chants Airborne Schools that while using the towers that we had taught us, but we weren't allow to using depending on which Instructors were work and who was working in your team during training.

While at Basic/AIT, they still weren't trying to hard to be PC unless we were in the Barracks or going to the mini-PX. Lord the recruit who didn't hold their tongue while they were in the PX or the Chow line...

[helbent4]

Originally Posted by natehale1971

I was able to write the basic fluff, but i wasn't able to come up with how it would best be described.

everyone on this forum is welcomed to join and help with all the stuff for the game. especially those who want to play in the campaign i'm putting together.

Nate,

Women in the military is obviously an emotionally-charged subject, there are plenty of anecdotes of abuse of the system by women. If I had to guess, I would say that any replacements at that part of the war would be welcome. There will be some problems, although if the program was a success then it should be portrayed as such.

The EFCP (Evaluation of Female Combat Personnel) Program:

The Evaluation of Female Combat Personnel Program was the pet project of SEN Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) and a coalition of Congresswomen in the House of Representatives that would allow for women to be allowed in the combat arms of the Armed Forces that lasted from 2001-2004. While there were some cases of problems with the Program, it for the most part showed that women could operate in combat positions.

The legislation that was passed that allowed women in combat positions also opened the Draft to women, the debate on this was heated and fell along party lines. But in the end, the entire legislation package was passed with the slogan "Equal Rights, Equal Risks" that was used by both supporters and detractors.

Despite allowing women in combat roles, there were several career fields (such as Infantry) that were not opened to women until the height of the Twilight War forced a change with the growing need for manpower.

The program was judged an overall success due to the accessibility of a large number of educated and highly-motivated recruits. The introduction of women into combat units in the middle phases of the Twilight War did not greatly affect overall unit cohesion because attrition had made almost any replacements welcome, with the source being judged as unimportant in most circumstances. (Certainly, the EFCP proved far less problematical than the "Moral Waiver" program, which saw the almost wholesale recruitment of former convicted felons, a wide segment of the prison population and suspected urban gang members into military service.)

Tony

[natehale1971]

Tony,

I really liked the fluff you added! Espeically the "Moral Waiver" Program... that sounds like it might make a good article of it's own. Especially if the successes of the program came from non-violent and white collar criminals who jumped at the chance of a 'clean slate' in exchange for serving in the armed forces. Though I think those personnel would find themselves assigned to the logistics and combat support arms instead of the combat arms.

[waiting4something]

I think women being accepted into combat roles is right around the corner in the U.S.A. The Marines have something called female engagement teams that go out on patrols. I guess this evolution is just natural. Like with females becoming police officers. They can do stuff to the bad girls us guys can't.