Soviet 124th MRD

[Abbott Shaull]

Yeah both Europe and Korea would be meat grinders. It part of the reason like the 40th Mechanized Division were destroyed in Europe the excess personnel after reforming one Brigade were sent back to California to rebuild the rest of the Division.

[Legbreaker]

I don't think of Korea as a meat grinder as much as China was for the Soviets and Chinese, and Europe for those there. Plenty of casualties, sure, but not to the same degree as elsewhere, or even what was seen in the 50's.

There doesnt' seem to be enough units on either side to create the masses of casualties seen elsewhere and I can't recall any of the unit histories indicating it either.

Of course we don't exactly have a lot of coverage of this area in the books....

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

I don't think of Korea as a meat grinder as much as China was for the Soviets and Chinese, and Europe for those there. Plenty of casualties, sure, but not to the same degree as elsewhere, or even what was seen in the 50's.

There doesnt' seem to be enough units on either side to create the masses of casualties seen elsewhere and I can't recall any of the unit histories indicating it either.

Of course we don't exactly have a lot of coverage of this area in the books....

Two of the Marine Divisions and 2nd Infantry and 7th Light Infantry Divisions had all taken a beaten.

[Legbreaker]

That's what you get for me posting without books handy to refer to....

Still, it's only a handful of units compared to elsewhere. What other US units are in Korea and what shape are they in?

[Abbott Shaull]

For the US Army off the top of my head there was two Corps HQs. The 163rd Idaho National Guard Armor Cavalry Regiment which had been re-equipped with M115 (IIRC which were m113 with LAV-25 turrets on them).

Here is where the information

http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=519

8th US Army

II US Amphibious Corps

23rd Regiment, 4th Marine Division
Subordination: II US Amphibious Corps
Current Location: Inchon, South Korea
Manpower: 700
Tanks: 7 M60A3

5th Marine Division
Subordination: II US Amphibious Corps
Current Location: Kaesong, North Korea
Manpower: 2000
Tanks: 9 M60A3

16th Regiment, 6th Marine Division
Subordination: II US Amphibious Corps
Current Location: Weijei, North Korea
Manpower: 600
Tanks: 4 M60A3

II US Corps
1st Brigade, 7th Light Infantry Division
Subordination: II US Corps
Current Location: ?
Manpower: 500
Tanks: None.
Notes: The 1st Brigade was trapped in North Korea after the run for the Yalu River was pushed back by victorious Soviet forces breaking out of China. The 1st has been out of contact for 13 months now. It is known they are actively making their way south.

26th Light Infantry Division
Subordination: II US Corps
Current Location: Yujiaitu, South Korea
Manpower: 500
Tanks: 13 LAV-75

45th Infantry Division
Subordination: II US Corps
Current Location: Pusan, South Korea
Manpower: 2000
Tanks: None

VI US Corps

2nd Infantry Division
Subordination: VI US Corps
Current Location: Seoul, South Korea
Manpower: 2000
Tanks: 4 M1

25th Light Infantry Division
Subordination: VI US Corps
Current Location: Firebase Alpha, North Korea
Manpower: 600
Tanks: None

41st Infantry Division
Subordination: VI US Corps
Current Location: Firebase Juliet, North Korea
Manpower: 2000
Tanks: None

163rd Armored Cavalry Regiment
Subordination: VI US Corps
Current Location: Firebase Neccessity, South Korea
Manpower: 300
Tanks: 4 LAV-75

These units are still contact with the remains of the North Korean Army supported by Soviet units after their victory over China.

[Legbreaker]

Hmm, not exactly a huge amount of strength is there...?

Of course there's the South Koreans and possibly a few other nations involved also since it is essentially supposed to be a UN force. Still, I can't see any real justification for nukes in the area - the North Koreans may have a handful, but would the UN authorise nuke use by "their" forces? (On the other hand, is the UN even running the show anymore after November 97?)

[Abbott Shaull]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Hmm, not exactly a huge amount of strength is there...?

Of course there's the South Koreans and possibly a few other nations involved also since it is essentially supposed to be a UN force. Still, I can't see any real justification for nukes in the area - the North Koreans may have a handful, but would the UN authorise nuke use by "their" forces? (On the other hand, is the UN even running the show anymore after November 97?)

When did the UN ever run the show. Since 1951 when US Forces landed the US has called many of the military calls. The way the unified military command is set up, it would be pretty much the same. The only thing is in Korea their is UN Mandate that and they have been more than happy leaving the US in charge of it.

Much like in NATO the US takes the lead roles in many of the major commands with a few exception like the NorthAG and other allowed by other allies to command. One of the Sticky things now is with NATO is that many of the members are part of the European Union which include some other nations that are suppose to be Neutral. Yet, under European Union they have more less take the what was the BOAR and turned it into rapid reaction force of the EU. *shrug*

Or the fact that NATO sat by and allow the Russia Army ransack Georgia a couple years ago...