US Military shotguns

[Rockwolf66]

Originally Posted by James Langham

A quick article about US military use of shotguns. Anyone who can add info please let me know.

First off the Ciener Ultimate Over/Under was as far as my research can tell me the first underbarreled shotgun that was semi-mass produced. As the first one I can verify as a date was Billy's Underbarreled Mossberg in the 1985 filmed "Predator". It used a conector weilded to the barrel that attached to the bayonette lug and a yoke that bolted to the back of the shotgun and replaced the forward reciver pin. I have unconfirmed reports that it started to slit the riciver of an M16/AR15 after about 2,000 rounds.

The latter KAC Masterkey uses a M203 mount and as far as I have heard won't destroy the host weapon.

The C-more assessory shotgun is the M26LSS I belive.

Other than that it's pretty good.

[HorseSoldier]

For whatever it's worth, all ours in my last unit were Mossberg 500s with almost all of them converted to pistol grip only format for breaching.

For breaching we used #9 birdshot, which is widely available in the US ammunition system. The only times I saw Hatton rounds were when we did some training with some Tier One guys. White side SF used #9 shot and it was effective and acceptably safe for breaching.

The other round we had routine access to was 00 buck (9 pellet). Way less fun to shoot than the eight pellet reduced recoil load issued for my police shotgun.

[waiting4something]

Originally Posted by Rockwolf66

First off the Ciener Ultimate Over/Under was as far as my research can tell me the first underbarreled shotgun that was semi-mass produced. As the first one I can verify as a date was Billy's Underbarreled Mossberg in the 1985 filmed "Predator". It used a conector weilded to the barrel that attached to the bayonette lug and a yoke that bolted to the back of the shotgun and replaced the forward reciver pin. I have unconfirmed reports that it started to slit the riciver of an M16/AR15 after about 2,000 rounds.

The latter KAC Masterkey uses a M203 mount and as far as I have heard won't destroy the host weapon.

The C-more assessory shotgun is the M26LSS I belive.

Other than that it's pretty good.

I have never seen any attachment piece on the the over/under in the movie Predator. I always wondered how they did it. My guess is they just used some kind of glue on the forend of the M16 and the Mossberg 500 receiver. In one scene of the film you can see Billy just caring the M16 without the Mossberg. I'm thinking this is why you never see him fire the shotgun in the movie. the most you see, is him work the action in the climatic everyone lay waste to the jungle scene.

[waiting4something]

I had read online that the probelm with the Ciener Ultimate over/under was that the recoil of the 12 gauge would start the inlarge the front takedown pin holes of M16 lower receiver. 8 years ago I called up the company trying to purchase this mounting system, but they said they no longer produced them. I also wanted to do that belt feed AR-15 conversion, but they stopped doing that too. I ended up purchasing a Knight Armament Masterkey to get over this itch I had, from seeing the movie Predator when I was a kid.

[Rockwolf66]

Originally Posted by waiting4something

I have never seen any attachment piece on the the over/under in the movie Predator. I always wondered how they did it. My guess is they just used some kind of glue on the forend of the M16 and the Mossberg 500 receiver. In one scene of the film you can see Billy just caring the M16 without the Mossberg. I'm thinking this is why you never see him fire the shotgun in the movie. the most you see, is him work the action in the climatic everyone lay waste to the jungle scene.

Look again. the M500 has a lug to attach the barrel to the shotgun to the bayonete lug of the rifle. As far as Billy fireing the shotgun there is a part of the raid on the jungle camp scene where they do put rounds through the shotgun.

http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Predator#Mossberg_500

[waiting4something]

So they just toke a piece of steel and welded it to a shotgun barrel and bayonet lug? I'll have to watch the film again and do alot of freeze framing. I can't see anything attaching the 2 receivers together. Not saying your wrong, you are the movie guru after all. But what about the scene after the raid when they are bugging out of the area and Billy has only a M16. Was that shot before they did the welding of the barrel to the bayonet lug, or did the weld break and they said "screw it", "shoot the scene anyway no one will notice". I always figuired they used a adhessive and the hot humid weather of Mexico caused it to fall off. On a side note one of my Ar-15's has the same handguards that Billy's rifle has. They are not typical M16A2 style.

[copeab]

What, no mention of the 24-shot Manville 12-bore?