From Archive: G11

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by B.T.

I have never heard of the idea, to amalgate grenade launcher and G11.

Neither had I which was the purpose of my question. However, given the moves in the last decade or so for more intergrated weapons systems with lots of bells and whistles, it seems like something they'd play about with.

Originally Posted by B.T.

I personally let the TGS appear only in units equipped with G3 or G41, but if a player would like to put a TGS underneath his G11, I'd let him.

If the Australians could fit an M203 under a Steyr AUG, then anything is possible!
HOWEVER, it wasn't easy or quick and took some serious work. I'd imagine the G11 would have a similar long development process and it's not something that could be done by PCs in the field in T2K. In T2013 on the other hand it's plausible a G11 GL or an adaptor system could have been developed and could potentially be attached and removed in the field.

[Bullet Magnet]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

Neither had I which was the purpose of my question. However, given the moves in the last decade or so for more intergrated weapons systems with lots of bells and whistles, it seems like something they'd play about with.


If the Australians could fit an M203 under a Steyr AUG, then anything is possible!
HOWEVER, it wasn't easy or quick and took some serious work. I'd imagine the G11 would have a similar long development process and it's not something that could be done by PCs in the field in T2K. In T2013 on the other hand it's plausible a G11 GL or an adaptor system could have been developed and could potentially be attached and removed in the field.

If something could be developed for the G11, it's possible someone could have come up with it in T2K. What we didn't have here in the real world is a war to get someone to say "We need it". So, possibly, when someone had the tools and materials to work with, the right thing was concocted.

Now, whether or not your GM will be generous enough to allow this is another matter.

[Legbreaker]

I just don't see that happening for T2K.
The F88 Steyr was issued well before the G11 was to have been to the Germans. The GL attachment for the Steyr AUG took a few years to develop and we already had set a precedent of underbarrel GLs by our earlier adoption of the M16/M203 combination. I'm not sure the Germans had bothered with the concept and therefore probably wouldn't have had the same drive to develop a system for the G11 in time for issue in T2K.

Take a look at the scale of issue for the US forces prior to 2000 IRL. Then look at what it is today. I'm not just talking GLs here though but all the additional bit and peices which now seem to be standard issue on almost every US rifle. It's really only the last decade where a bog standard rifle has been seen as just not good enough.

[B.T.]

Paul is certainly right, in pointing out, that the shape of the G11 is unique.
And Leg is certainly right, when he says, it would be time consuming and requiring some toolshopping, to fit a GL to the G11.

I'm not shure, if I did understand that right: In the rules (V2.2 defenitely!) there is a newer variant of the M203 GL, the PIP model. I think it is the TALON in Kevin Dockery: "Compendium of modern firearms" by R. Talsorian Games. The TALON uses a device, at the time of publication, that Dockery describes as: " ... a quick release for the weapon combined with a universal mounting bar ...".
I can imagine, that the way to bring G11 and an underslung GL together, would copy that system. Maybe, as an interim solution, such a system might have been pruduced by H&K. But as said above, I think such a combo would be not in widespread use.

No ideas about T2013. But why not? The inovative ideas (OICV!) where there. And nowadays you cannot produce weapons without rail system. Even rail sysems for FN 2000 and the Steyer AUG exist!