Recommissioned US Navy ships

[LAW0306]

Once again.Its mine or who ever's game to make it! as you have said before its only a game what does reality have to do with it! If Mo wants more ships in his god bless him. if you want less god bless you. its only a game have fun. They do say Fleet right? That means Fleet. The united states had many numbered fleets...That means to me they operate at the task force level.like they do today. from our talks with the game designers they just did not have the raw numbers for all the ships and did not know what to do with them. They wanted a land centric game so they said the fleets are gone. so they made a simple decision for the game. no harm no foul. now that we know more about the ships (IE Internet) we flesh it out. if you want to use it cool. if not cool too. lets all just have fun. remember its just a game.

[Legbreaker]

Actually, I don't recall Mo ever saying anything about a fleet. He was I believe talking about individual ships in numbers insufficient to have a great impact on the balance of the world. He also brought up the existence of refurbished/recommissioned Soviet ships as well, as illustrated in Satellite Down, which would maintain the balance.

There's nothing to say some ships can't/weren't recommissioned, but care must be taken to avoid turning the whole thing into a one sided joke.

[Isochron]

Although most of the Spruance Class DDs were decommissioned and in real life disposed of in a permanent manner (mostly sank for target practice and weapons testing) that was around 94-96. If there had been heightend tensions starting with Able Archer then they would have kept most available for recommissioning, if needed.

The Spruance DDs were the same as the Tico Class cruisers except with no Aegis missile system and different launch systems. They carried 8 tomahawk missile.

Having served on one I can tell you they were a rock solid class of ship.

[Mohoender]

Originally Posted by Legbreaker

great impact

An impact, solely an impact. Nothing that overwhelming.

[Legbreaker]

Does anyone have any information on which Soviet bloc ships might be reactivated, or how quickly the Pact could pump out warships?
I'd have to say it seems more logical for the Soviets to start production sooner than anyone else given they're already at war with China. The Soviets also have a need to expand their navy to try and blockade all shipping to Chinese ports and their allies.
I can buy a swift and massive increase in the Soviet navy much more than I can any other nation on the planet given their earlier entry into hostilities.

[Mohoender]

Here is a good and viable source

http://russian-ships.info/eng/

However, you have to check every ship and try to cross reference what you find on it. Still, DOOSA and ships that have been given to the sailing clubs are the most readily available.

One thing is important to note and it is that most ship are small units including small frigates, corvettes, minewarfare and patrol boats.

The larger units would largely be discraded depend on wether or not the Kremlin allow them real financing. I would expect a number of destroyers to be returned to full duty: Kanin, Kildin and Kotlin classes but I'm not sure about the Sverdlov. It is true that the Soviet have been at war longer but I aslo think that they would prefer to focus on their newer ships and they were building plenty in the late 1980's.

I expect the aircraft carriers building program to be carried as planned in the 1980's, I expect more Slava, Udaloy, Sovremenyy, Neustrachimy, Gepard, Nanuchka, Tarantul and Pauk to be built. Same thing for the submarines.

You can also have the Matka hydrofoil entering full production to replace the aging Osa but I'm not convinced.

It will also depend of the game you play. With V1.0, tensions had been rising for some times before the war and funding obviously came. With v2.2, all the ships that were scrapped between 1987-1992 are indeed scrapped.

[Mohoender]

If that can help

These ships are given by fleet with their names but no pennant number and their location regarding the fleet is fairly accurate from what you can find out. When it comes to smaller ships (these with no name at all), there can be some more around. Of course, this is what could be, not what it is. To note, all these ships were about 10 years younger than the US destroyers that had gone through the FRAM program.

Additional ships might exist as well from, for example, the Osa-class or various types of torpedo boats. For ships that were in the process of decommissioning, I simply consider that the process ended. Kynda and Kresta I might not have been decommissioned at all. I didn't include the surviving Skoryy-class destroyers but a handful might still be around. I have a tendency to have them among the raiders sent to the Atlantic (as the Smolnyy training ships) for two reason: they carry a fair amount of gun rounds and you don't spare much valuable ships to chase cargo and tankers when 130mm and 76mm rounds can do the job just fine... and if the crews complain a bit: "Na Rodinia Tavarischi vi Geroy Sovyetskogo Soyuza"

Surviving Sverdlov-class would probably add the weapon systems still on display with the Mikhail Kutuzov (4 to 6 30mm AD systems and 2 SA-4 AD systems).

Submarines type are incomplete but the number of whiskey also include the surviving Zulu-class.

North Fleet:
- Cruiser “Vice-Admiral Drozd” (Kresta I-class)
- Cruiser “Alexandr Nevskiy” (Sverdlov-class)
- Cruiser “Murmansk”
- Destroyer “Gremyashchiy” (Kanin-class)
- Destroyer “Derzkiy”
- Destroyer “Boykiy”
- Destroyer “Zorkiy”
- Destroyer “Nesokurshimyy” (Kotlin-class)
- Destroyer “Spokoynyy”
- Destroyer “Skromnyy”
- 6 Riga-class Frigates
- 10 Poti-class Corvettes
- 4 Kronshtadt-class Corvettes
- 2 T43-class Seagoing Minesweepers

Baltic Fleet
- Cruiser “Admiral Zozulya” (Kresta I-class)
- Cruiser “Grozny” (Kynda-class)
- Cruiser “Sverdlov” (Sverdlov-class)
- Destroyer "Prozorlivyy" (Kildin-class)
- Destroyer “Nastoychivyy” (Kotlin-class)
- Destroyer “Blagorodnyy”
- Destroyer “Spehnyy”
- Destroyer “Svetlyy”
- 6 Riga-class Frigates
- 3 SO1-class Corvettes
- 12 Poti-class Corvettes
- 2 Kronshtadt-class Corvettes
- 4 T43-class Seagoing Minesweepers
- 14 Whiskey-class SSK

Pacific Fleet
- Cruiser “Sevastopol” (Kresta I-class)
- Cruiser “Vladivostok”
- Cruiser “Admiral Fokin” (Kynda-class)
- Cruiser “Riga”
- Cruiser “Admiral Senyavin” (Sverdlov-class)
- Cruiser “Alexandr Suvorov”
- Destroyer “Gnevnyy” (Kanin-class)
- Destroyer “Upornyy”
- Destroyer “Vyzyvayushchiy” (Kotlin-class)
- Destroyer “Vozbuzhdennyy”
- Destroyer “Vyderzhannyy”
- Destroyer “Skrytnyy”
- Destroyer “Burlivyy”
- 5 Riga-class Frigates
- 18 Whiskey-class SSK

Black Sea Fleet
- Cruiser “Admiral Golovko” (Kynda-class)
- Cruiser “Mikhail Kutuzov” (Sverdlov-class)
- Cruiser “Zhdanov”
- Destroyer "Bedovyy" (Kildin-class)
- Destroyer "Neulovimyy"
- Destroyer “Nakhodchivyy” (Kotlin-class)
- Destroyer “Sveduschiy”
- Destroyer “Plamennyy”
- 5 Riga-class Frigates
- 11 Poti-class Corvettes
- 1 Kronshtadt-class Corvette
- 2 T43-class Seagoing Minesweepers
- 14 Whiskey-class SSK

Caspian Sea Flotilla
- 3 Riga-class Frigates
- 1 Kronshtadt-class Corvette
- 4 T43-class Seagoing Minesweepers

[Legbreaker]

So basically you're looking at a fairly significant number of vessels, many of which are actually newer than the US ships available for recommissioning and since the Soviets have a reputation for simple, rugged designs which can be churned out fairly quickly with little care for the wellbeing of neither workers or crew....
Added in the head start the Soviets undoubtedly have because of the war with China and it's no real surprise the US and every other navy is shattered by mid 1997.

[dragoon500ly]

source material from the 3rd and 4th Editions, Guide to the Soviet Navy.

To put it simply, the shipbuilding capacity of the Soviet Union is impressive. The USSR has 20 major shipyards (one with more than 2,000 full-time employees) compared to 16 for the US, as well as 700+ smaller shipyards. Four of these shipyards build only warships: Severodvinsk (submarines); Kaliningrad (destroyers and amphibious warships); Petrovskiy (small combatants) and the Sudomeky portion of the Leningrad Admiralty Association (submarines). These yards employee some 215,000 workers (this is considered to be the low estimate by Western intelligence agencies of the 1985-1990 period).

The Soviets build some 6 million deadweight tons (a supertanker is roughly 100,000 DWT by the way) of merchant shipping in the period 1986-1990 with another 4.2 million deadweight tons produced by shipyards in Finalnd, Germany and Poland (all purchased by the USSR).

Now, deadweight tonnage is not the same as full load displacement tonnage, but any way you cut it, 10.2 million tons is a lot of hulls!