Am I opening a can of worms here? I think I am...M113...

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by Panther Al

As to the Germans, it totally agree. Seeing the shape of things on China, I could see them placing plans in the files for how to convert equipment to assault guns, maybe even stockpiling certain parts that would be needed for such. I could very much see them building prototypes based on the Leo 1...

Something like this?



More images here but the text is all in German
http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/bw_kpz_3_gvt-a.htm

And another development on the same theme can be found here but it's from the same website so again the text is in German
http://www.panzerbaer.de/types/bw_kpz_3_gvt-b.htm

[Legbreaker]

I can't imagine it would be much fun being the driver if both barrels fired at once!
Looks very wide. Bridges and tunnels would have been a bitch to deal with, although strangely, finding a parking spot at the supermarket not so much...

[pmulcahy11b]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

Something like this?

I think Antenna has that one statted out on his site.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I think Antenna has that one statted out on his site.

I vaguely recalled that he did after reading your post so I went looking. He has a related vehicle that I think was part of the project that spawned the vehicle that I posted. The vehicle he's statted suffers some self-esteem problems though - from having only one main gun!

Here's his page: -
http://www.ludd.luth.se/~antenna/m2k...ingsjaguar.htm

[HorseSoldier]

On the M113 based Sturmhaubitzer, I wonder if it wouldn't find a niche in the T2K world that it obviously didn't find in real life -- namely, a fairly cheap fire support vehicle specifically for West German reserve formations. Those guys had a pretty significant rear-area security mission against Soviet/WP airborne and airmobile units, and a 105mm howitzer would be ideal for anti-infantry work in that capacity and capable of anti-armor work against the BMDs and other light armor the Soviet desant units could bring to the fight.

(Any unit equipped with them would have to rely on someone else to do anti-tank work if they ended up face to face with a frontline breakthrough and T-72s or similar, but maybe units equipped with the 113 howitzer also had a 113 based version of the Jaguar 1/2 vehicles, or just limited German adoption of the M901 ITV as a complement to the gun armed vehicle.)

[Webstral]

Originally Posted by HorseSoldier

On the M113 based Sturmhaubitzer, I wonder if it wouldn't find a niche in the T2K world that it obviously didn't find in real life -- namely, a fairly cheap fire support vehicle specifically for West German reserve formations. Those guys had a pretty significant rear-area security mission against Soviet/WP airborne and airmobile units, and a 105mm howitzer would be ideal for anti-infantry work in that capacity and capable of anti-armor work against the BMDs and other light armor the Soviet desant units could bring to the fight.

An exceptionally fine idea.

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

You do not need the 105 for close support the 90 would be sufficient for that.



M113 with Cockerill Mk III 90-mm gun I would think would be an excellent option. Heck even the Australian MRV http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pu...13-MRV-1-1.jpg would also work.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by Cpl. Kalkwarf

Heck even the Australian MRV http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pu...13-MRV-1-1.jpg would also work.

It does, and has. The Australian M113 with Saladin turrets were used to good effect in Vietnam.