Am I opening a can of worms here? I think I am...M113...

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

I think Antenna has that one statted out on his site.

I vaguely recalled that he did after reading your post so I went looking. He has a related vehicle that I think was part of the project that spawned the vehicle that I posted. The vehicle he's statted suffers some self-esteem problems though - from having only one main gun!

Here's his page: -
http://www.ludd.luth.se/~antenna/m2k...ingsjaguar.htm

[HorseSoldier]

On the M113 based Sturmhaubitzer, I wonder if it wouldn't find a niche in the T2K world that it obviously didn't find in real life -- namely, a fairly cheap fire support vehicle specifically for West German reserve formations. Those guys had a pretty significant rear-area security mission against Soviet/WP airborne and airmobile units, and a 105mm howitzer would be ideal for anti-infantry work in that capacity and capable of anti-armor work against the BMDs and other light armor the Soviet desant units could bring to the fight.

(Any unit equipped with them would have to rely on someone else to do anti-tank work if they ended up face to face with a frontline breakthrough and T-72s or similar, but maybe units equipped with the 113 howitzer also had a 113 based version of the Jaguar 1/2 vehicles, or just limited German adoption of the M901 ITV as a complement to the gun armed vehicle.)

[Webstral]

Originally Posted by HorseSoldier

On the M113 based Sturmhaubitzer, I wonder if it wouldn't find a niche in the T2K world that it obviously didn't find in real life -- namely, a fairly cheap fire support vehicle specifically for West German reserve formations. Those guys had a pretty significant rear-area security mission against Soviet/WP airborne and airmobile units, and a 105mm howitzer would be ideal for anti-infantry work in that capacity and capable of anti-armor work against the BMDs and other light armor the Soviet desant units could bring to the fight.

An exceptionally fine idea.

[Cpl. Kalkwarf]

You do not need the 105 for close support the 90 would be sufficient for that.



M113 with Cockerill Mk III 90-mm gun I would think would be an excellent option. Heck even the Australian MRV http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pu...13-MRV-1-1.jpg would also work.

[Legbreaker]

Originally Posted by Cpl. Kalkwarf

Heck even the Australian MRV http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pu...13-MRV-1-1.jpg would also work.

It does, and has. The Australian M113 with Saladin turrets were used to good effect in Vietnam.

[HorseSoldier]

Would definitely get the job done as well, though without the war-fuzzy Teutonic feel of a turretless assault gun (Though a short barrel 105mm howitzer might provide indirect fire options other systems did not.)

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by HorseSoldier

Would definitely get the job done as well, though without the war-fuzzy Teutonic feel of a turretless assault gun (Though a short barrel 105mm howitzer might provide indirect fire options other systems did not.)

But I like StuG's! Nothing says loving like a tank shorter than you, with a shell larger than a script kiddies ego!


Though, the idea of using a D30 instead of a 105 does make one go hrmm... After all, the D30 is a proven performer that does have a much heavier throw weight for not much more cost in size and weight over a 105. There is a reason why the Germans was talking about switching to a 12.8cm howitzer from the 10.5cm/15cm combo during WW2: The increase in terminal performance vastly outweighed the penalties of a slightly larger (or smaller in the case of the 15cm) gun.