T-90 vs Abrams

[StainlessSteelCynic]

I'd argue that the current Australian government has not done one single thing to steer Australia through a period of massive global economic turmoil. Even the Kevin Rudd government had little enough to do with Australia being in the position that she is in. What really counts for the Australian economy is having 40 years or more of selling iron ore, natural gas, wheat and wool to China, Japan and the Middle East*


* I know that that's a gross over-simplification but that's what's really saved our arse, not the (barely-existent) policies of the Gillard or Rudd governments.

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by StainlessSteelCynic

What really counts for the Australian economy is having 40 years or more of selling iron ore, natural gas, wheat and wool to China, Japan and the Middle East*

I hope so... I am considering moving down there to Perth, and working some jobs about Karratha.

If I can get a work Visa ($350 Aus.) to apply, and the plane ticket is $1200+ US.

Be fun though.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

I hope so... I am considering moving down there to Perth, and working some jobs about Karratha.

If I can get a work Visa ($350 Aus.) to apply, and the plane ticket is $1200+ US.

Be fun though.

Mate, good luck to you! There are jobs galore in the NW of Western Australia at the moment. Good money to be had too. I've been out of mining-related industries for some years but if there is any assistance I can offer, PM me and we can swap details.

[ArmySGT.]

Thanks.

I am a Heavy Equipment Operator, but I don't have enough experience to compete when the job pool is so small. So I have been building my business related computer skills as an Admin assistant. Not glorious but, it pays my bills.

T-90 vs M-1

T-90 is Toast. That reactive armor is not all that impressive and has been discarded in the west. Jammers have been discarded in the West too.

The West is going to active defenses that shoot down ATGMs. Look to see those on M1A2s in the near future.

[copeab]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

The West is going to active defenses that shoot down ATGMs. Look to see those on M1A2s in the near future.

I have doubts on these working all that well in an actual battlefield environment, with fire coming from all directions and smoke and fires all over teh place.

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by copeab

I have doubts on these working all that well in an actual battlefield environment, with fire coming from all directions and smoke and fires all over teh place.

The Israeli's have started using it operationally and so far it has lived up to the hype by defeating RPG and AT15 fire.

[Gamer]

Both tanks can kill each other that's quite obvious and that's all that matters.
There are too many variables in combat to just say this tank is superior to that one especially if they have never faced one another in the field only a flag waving fool thinks otherwise.

Panthers and Tigers were deemed "superior" to the Sherman and it didn't do them much good.

Active protective systems are cute toys but seriously in a tank on tank firefight anyone here actually seriously believe the Abrams armor jockeys are actually going to be using HEAT rounds against a T-90?

No APS system in existence does anything but gives a pretty light show when used against a sabot round especially DU.

H.R. 4739 wasn't just between the Army and the Air Force, it also included the Marines.
The Marines were to get A-10s on a 1 to 1 with their OV-10s as well.

SEC. 1439 . REPLACEMENT OF OV-1 AND OV-10 AIRCRAFT WITH A-10 AIRCRAFT

(a) PROHIBITION ON USE OF FUNDS- (1) Funds appropriated or otherwise made available to the Army for any fiscal year beginning after September 30, 1996, may not be used to operate or maintain OV-1 aircraft.

(2) Funds appropriated or otherwise made available to the Marine Corps after September 30, 1996, may not be used to operate or maintain OV-10 aircraft.

(b) RETIREMENT OF OV-1 and OV-10 AIRCRAFT- (1) Not later than September 30, 1991, the Secretary of the Army shall retire not less than 20 percent of the OV-1 aircraft in the inventory of the Army on October 1, 1990.

(2) The Secretary of the Army and the Secretary of the Navy shall take such action as necessary to retire, by not later than September 30, 1996, all OV-1 and OV-10 aircraft in the inventory of the Army and Marine Corps, respectively. The Secretary of the military department concerned shall notify the Secretary of the Air Force at the time each such aircraft is retired, and the Secretary of the Air Force shall, upon such notification, transfer one A-10 aircraft and all required support equipment to such military department.

(c) TRAINING AND SUPPORT- Chapter 901 of title 10, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following new section :

`Sec. 9316. Training and support for A-10 aircraft

`The Secretary of the Air Force shall provide each military department with flight training, fleet support, and depot maintenance with respect to all A-10 aircraft assigned to each such department.'.

I haven't seen anything repealing this law but also not saying they haven't.
But it would be nice for that mean beast to be kept, it saved my butt more than once.

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by copeab

I have doubts on these working all that well in an actual battlefield environment, with fire coming from all directions and smoke and fires all over teh place.

Israelis "Iron Fist" on the Merkava 4s has been defeating current generation Russian ATGMs fired from Gaza.

Meaning that ATGMs are going to have to be volley fired, and are getting to be to expensive for that.

[Raellus]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

Israelis "Iron Fist" on the Merkava 4s has been defeating current generation Russian ATGMs fired from Gaza.

Meaning that ATGMs are going to have to be volley fired, and are getting to be to expensive for that.

When did Iron Fist first see action? The Lebanon incursion in 2006 resulted in pretty heavy Merkava casualties and most of those tanks killed were taken out by Russian top-attack and/or tandem-warhead ATGMs. This came as quite a shock to the Israelis.

EDIT: Did my own research and it looks like the Israelis started deploying "Trophy" active defense systems in 2010.

Although it's interesting to discuss the effectiveness of such systems in today's world, from a T2K perspective, the matter is largely moot- such active protection systems (aside from "old-fashioned" reactive armor) would most likely not have been fielded in any significant numbers at any point during the WWIII of T2K.

[copeab]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

Meaning that ATGMs are going to have to be volley fired, and are getting to be to expensive for that.

You get around that by volley firing (relatively) cheap unguided rockets, depleting the system's ammo, and keep the defense honest by including one or two ATGMs in the batch) so you just can't turn it off. to say ammo from a diversionary' attack.