49th Armoured Division

Rainbow Six · #1 06-10-2012, 03:19 AM

James, great article. I particularly enjoyed the part at the end where you detailed some of the Division's notable members. One minor point - dates don't tally in Major Turner's bio - think you might have a typo in the date of his death (Jan 01 - should this be Jan 02?)

James Langham · #2 06-10-2012, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainbow Six

James, great article. I particularly enjoyed the part at the end where you detailed some of the Division's notable members. One minor point - dates don't tally in Major Turner's bio - think you might have a typo in the date of his death (Jan 01 - should this be Jan 02?)

It should indeed by 02

Webstral · #3 06-11-2012, 10:56 PM

That is bleak.

pmulcahy11b · #4 06-12-2012, 01:42 AM

I know there's no real justification for it, but I'm not only a San Antonian and Texan, but I'm a former member of 1/141. I can't see the 49th just disintegrating like that. Like I said in an earlier post, The 49th can make a mess out of a unit that underestimates them -- we made messes out of visiting National Guard units, Air Force Defenders, and even active duty units. Cohesion may come a bit slowly, my guess is that by 1997, they will be operating in sync.

Targan · #5 06-12-2012, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by pmulcahy11b

Cohesion may come a bit slowly, my guess is that by 1997, they will be operating in sync.

Arrrrrgh! Oh wait, not the boy band. My bad.

Olefin · #6 06-14-2012, 10:38 AM

I have to agree with pmulcahy11b - we know that the 49th survives with at least the BMP-C mentioned in the Soviet Vehicle Guide for several years after 1999 so your final entry of the division being folded into another division is a little too pessimistic in my opinion.

One thing you may want to think about is posssibly would the 49th members who left possibly join up with the South Texas Grange forces mentioned in Red Star, Lone Star? I.e. instead of just dispersing in dribs and drabs to their homes would they have joined up with the nascent Texas Republic as an organized military unit, but not one under US MilGov control?

In other words not deserting or going over the hill but deciding that they are Texas units and should be fighting for Texas and not for the US? Perhaps not everyone but a substantial force of them, especially if that force starts to win ground against the Texians or Mexicans with the oil that the South Texas Grange now has available?

James Langham · #7 06-14-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Olefin

I have to agree with pmulcahy11b - we know that the 49th survives with at least the BMP-C mentioned in the Soviet Vehicle Guide for several years after 1999 so your final entry of the division being folded into another division is a little too pessimistic in my opinion.

One thing you may want to think about is posssibly would the 49th members who left possibly join up with the South Texas Grange forces mentioned in Red Star, Lone Star? I.e. instead of just dispersing in dribs and drabs to their homes would they have joined up with the nascent Texas Republic as an organized military unit, but not one under US MilGov control?

In other words not deserting or going over the hill but deciding that they are Texas units and should be fighting for Texas and not for the US? Perhaps not everyone but a substantial force of them, especially if that force starts to win ground against the Texians or Mexicans with the oil that the South Texas Grange now has available?

Ive tried not to mention the possibility of the South Texas Grange as I can't decide which way to go with them. I think really they need to be considered for each campaign. 2300 has Texas under Mexican control but Red Star, Lone Star implies they may succeed so I try to leave things like that open. I may well add a note that some operate with the Kingsleys. Texas might well use the 49th as a division for the historical precedent.