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This link to the US Navy Naval Infantry...the USN actually trained naval infantry as late as the mid-1960s.
http://www.history.navy.mil/library/...l_infantry.htm
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Bringing this thread back from the grave, and back to some of its original discussions... the LSOZI blog recently ran an article on French WWII ground combat units composed of naval volunteers. In a sign of the times, or perhaps a sign of the tech base of the day:
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A US Navy ground unit formed post-'97 would be pretty unlikely to receive front-line US Army equipment. However, I can see a collection of machinist's mates, electrician's mates, and gunner's mates being handed the keys to a compound full of salvaged Warsaw Pact equipment and being told, "good luck, you're on your own." Depending on timing, an enterprising CO or SNCO of a newly-formed scratch unit might also have a way to arrange delivery of a batch of equipment off one of the last resupply convoys. I'm having visions of a naval mechanized task force mounted on Cadillac Gage products - Stingrays for light armor, V-series armored cars in lieu of APCs. All hastily repainted haze grey, naturally. - C.
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For the Twilight War, sailors for whom there were no more ships and excess USAF personnel could be run through a 4 - 8 week course with the "parent" unit they were being assigned to; a quick infantry basic course, some familiarization with heavy weapons and the like. Forming them into combat units directly would probably work poorly like the Luftwaffe Field Divisions during World War 2. |
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And those are the hard questions for what's left of EUCOM, aren't they? Do you dilute your remaining veteran units' competence and cohesion with onesie-twosie replacements drawn from Navy and Air Force survivors? Do you build mostly-USN and mostly-USAF units with Marine and Army veteran cadre? Or do you stand up "dedicated" USN and USAF ground units knowing that they'll be little more than speed bumps? The latter may preserve a bit more capability in your Army and Marine Corps formations, but it'll be damned hard on the speed bumps... though they might find some use as rear-area security or cantonment defense (to the everlasting resentment of the guys who keep getting sent forward). It also may come down to whether the surviving admirals and USAF generals have any remaining political power to keep personnel under their respective commands. - C.
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Clayton A. Oliver / Occasional RPG Freelancer Since 1996 Author of The Pacific Northwest, coauthor of Tara Romaneasca, creator of several other free Twilight: 2000 and Twilight: 2013 resources, and curator of an intermittent gaming blog. It rarely takes more than a page to recognize that you're in the presence of someone who can write, but it only takes a sentence to know you're dealing with someone who can't. - Josh Olson |
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The Army and Marines have established organizational and doctrinal systems in place to incorporate combat replacements. During a total war, it's very likely that basic training for the average draftee would be somewhat truncated, so, by the time that surviving USAF and USN personnel are surplus to requirements, Army and Marine units would already have hands-on experience with integrating lightly-trained replacements in veteran formations. A few clues from canon support this hypothesis. The 1-2.2e US Vehicle Guide doesn't include any USAF or USN infantry units of regimental or greater strength. The USVG does, however, include a plate (E2) portraying an ex-USAF Peacekeeper armored car seconded to a US Army ACR in Germany. The plate description also mentions other Peacemakers reassigned to an ANG unit in Oklahoma. If there were standalone USAF infantry units, these vehicles would be a natural fit; instead, they're described as being assigned to existing Army formations. It's a small sample size, granted, but AFAIK, canon makes no mention of USAF or USN ground line units. That's not to say that an Army division couldn't include a company or battalion of USAF or USN personnel but, given what little evidence exists, I think full integration into existing Army/USMC formations is the more likely option. For anyone interested, additional musings on this topic can be found here: https://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=2126 -
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I might be overthinking this, but I don’t believe there’s a one-size-fits-all answer. Given their specialized skill sets, some USN and USAF personnel could prove too valuable to be used solely as rifle-carrying infantry replacements—at least, not right away.
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This kind of internecine politicking could make for really interesting campaign dynamics. I suppose a USAF or USN CO could flat out refuse orders from higher HQ* to relinquish control over his/her personnel... And thus, many a warlord is born. *Does the JCS survive the TDM? I'm wondering what entity would have ultimate command authority over inter-service personnel transfers. -
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