How do you do fire fights? Maps?

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Michael Lewis

So with a 1in=10 meters scale, would vehicles be 1 inch? I have the TW vol 2 boxed set which came with cardboard cut outs of tanks and such which are 1 in. and people which are 1/2 in.

What size would buildings be around?

Michael

I use those vehicle counters too! The counters you have are intended for the GW outdoor scale where one inch squares were 8 meters. The men and vehicles aren't actually as big as the counters indicate. I choose to use 1 square = 10 meters because it is much easier to count range on the fly.

If you have those, you should salso have a sheet of buildings, emplacements, and rubble. Buildings are as big as their counters.

I almost never use the people tokens, they're too light and hard to maneuver for me... fumble fingers.

[headquarters]

I draw maps on paper. I used my Old squad leader maps before, but once or twice used its kinda used up with that particular group.

I also print out maps I find online sometimes.

Mostly its ink on paper though. And borrowing the kids crayons to indicate wooded areal or wetland etc.

Grid paper or graph paper is preferred. We sometimes use 20mm minis,but as someone said the map gets quite big when you have ranges over 100 yards.
Drawing on the map or using some sort of marker is our solution.

Looking forward to our next FtF . Trying out a new type of map.

[pmulcahy11b]

A map type that can be useful to use with miniatures are those made to go with Car Wars games (the microgame type, not the newer SJG or GURPS type, which often don't have printed maps). Sunday Drivers and Truck Stop are especially good ones for cityfights.

[pmulcahy11b]

How do you guys address the "fog of war" factor -- what the PCs can actually see or hear, what the bad guys can actually see or hear (this can even be broken down into a GM nightmare of what a particular PC or NPC can see, is someone mistakenly stalking or aiming in on his own buddies, etc). Sometimes you can use two maps, one for the players and one for the GM, but if you're using miniatures, that is pretty much impossible. So has anyone come up with a satisfactory solution?

[B.T.]

I usually use two maps:
1. the "gaming board", that everyone can see,
2. my personal sketch, that is hidden somewhere in the chaos behind my GM screen. I erase and work with a pencil on that sketch all of the time.

When we work with a board (as many of you, I use a "battle map" with an imprinted square-grid - I draw on it with "non-permanent markers"), I usually remove the tokens/miniatures for NPCs, that can not be seen by the players (Or I make shure, that the players know: These handfull of soldiers went into that house, but, off course, they don't know, if there are more evil-doers in the house, or not!).
Sometimes this is time consuming, because you relocate some of the miniature all of the time.
On the other hand: I want my players to enjoy gaming. Therefore I don't mind, that some things are a little simplified. In this case: The players can see, how many miniatures of Soviets have been removed.

I don't place miniatures for enemies, that have not been reckoned by the players. If, for example, a group of several enemies fire through a hole in a wall or a window, I dont tell the players, how many guys are behind that wall. And I make my rolls "hidden", what means: no one can see, what modifieres work. Those 3 bursts and 4 single shots could come from 2 fiends, or 7 fiends - my players don't know for shure!

In my group, this is seldom the case, but if the group splits in two parts with no line of sight, I split the group in two teams, actually sitting in different rooms. If someone fires into a direction, where he can not see a comrade of the other team, it is possible for them to hit one of their group members from the other team. Again time consuming, but it adds some tension to the play and is a permanent reminder, that the PCs communicate with one another.

[WallShadow]

In an effort to minimize effort we used what was handy--(usually unpainted) plastic Airfix/ESCI/Atlantic/etc figures, ROCO Minitanks and/or Matchbox/HotWheels vehicles, any pre-made buildings we had handy (HO Plasticville) or just carcboard boxes of the appropriate size and shape. The 20mm scale was handy enough to allow detail and yet be of manageable size. The occasional 6-sided dice were used to round out incidental potentially mobile items. I purchased a sheet of heavy plastic sheeting to use grease pencils on to designate streets, buildings, fire hydrants, streetlights, mailboxes....
To allow for a fog-of-war factor, to designate "bogies" we would use poker chips with the actual identity of the unit/vehicle/object taped to the underside. Only coming within a certain range would allow identification of the chip's identity

[Chris]

Re: Fog of War

I tend to hold enemy positions in my head without using a second map.

When enemies break contact, going into a house especially, I'll leave there marker in the building. More than once the group has mopped up a few pinned down troop and carefully advanced on an 'occupied' position to find the foe has legged it out the back door.