OT - No child deserves to die because of a coward.

[bobcat]

i hate incidents like this. the scum are on the news for a week, the victims and their families are treated like shit by the media, and worst of all its children being targeted. yes i know some people are just evil its a fact of life no law or policy will change you could disarm everyone there will still be evil you could arm everyone there will still be evil. evil can only be defeated by good and good by its very nature cannot take the steps to prevent evil without becoming it.

[natehale1971]

Originally Posted by bobcat

i hate incidents like this. the scum are on the news for a week, the victims and their families are treated like shit by the media, and worst of all its children being targeted. yes i know some people are just evil its a fact of life no law or policy will change you could disarm everyone there will still be evil you could arm everyone there will still be evil. evil can only be defeated by good and good by its very nature cannot take the steps to prevent evil without becoming it.

I have always felt that the person who commits these crimes be refereed to by a 'codename' instead of their birthname in a way that is similar to the British Judicial system refering to Jane or John Doe in soe cases... in a way of robbing these monsters from getting remembered...

it's been something i've been trying to get my head around all day.

heck, i was so happy some replacements of many RPG games that i use to have came last night... but i can't even open them right now.

[Raellus]

I admire your sentiments Nate, and I respect your need to write about this in your efforts to come to terms with what happened. It hit me hard too. What I don't approve of is the editorializing about gun control. Saying that people who use tragedies like this one to push their own gun-control agendas deserve the same loathing as the killers themselves is a bit much, to say the least. Can you really blame people for wondering if stricter gun-control laws might be in order after an event such as this? I'm not claiming to have all the answers- I can see both sides. I'm a father, and a teacher, and I own firearms. There's a lot of grey that needs to be fully and honestly explored when it comes to gun violence in America. There are compelling arguments from both camps. I'm not sure where I stand, but I don't think that this is the time or the place to debate gun control.

I do like the idea of not publicizing the real names of mass killers. Based on psychological profiles of mass killers, in some cases, a desire for notoriety is one motivating factor. Perhaps if folks knew up front that they wouldn't be immortalized for their heinous, cowardly, selfish acts of violence, they would think twice. Anything to dissuade even one would-be killer from taking the final step would be worthwhile, IMHO.

[natehale1971]

Raellus: I admire your sentiments Nate, and I respect your need to write about this in your efforts to come to terms with what happened. It hit me hard too. What I don't approve of is the editorializing about gun control. Saying that people who use tragedies like this one to push their own gun-control agendas deserve the same loathing as the killers themselves is a bit much, to say the least. Can you really blame people for wondering if stricter gun-control laws might be in order after an event such as this? I'm not claiming to have all the answers- I can see both sides. I'm a father, and a teacher, and I own firearms. There's a lot of grey that needs to be fully and honestly explored when it comes to gun violence in America. There are compelling arguments from both camps. I'm not sure where I stand, but I don't think that this is the time or the place to debate gun control.

The only reason i put that in the essay has been the fact that in less than an hour of this trdegy, MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell started the "We need more gun control laws... stronge ones that will keep the guns out of "gun free zones"...

Raellus: I do like the idea of not publicizing the real names of mass killers. Based on psychological profiles of mass killers, in some cases, a desire for notoriety is one motivating factor. Perhaps if folks knew up front that they wouldn't be immortalized for their heinous, cowardly, selfish acts of violence, they would think twice. Anything to dissuade even one would-be killer from taking the final step would be worthwhile, IMHO.

In the State of Israel, teachers carry firears with them at all times... and the children have been safe and well rounded. the teachers see what they are doing as a very valuable duty that must require them to be the last line of defense for these chidlren while they are in school.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by natehale1971

Raellus: I admire your sentiments Nate, and I respect your need to write about this in your efforts to come to terms with what happened. It hit me hard too. What I don't approve of is the editorializing about gun control. Saying that people who use tragedies like this one to push their own gun-control agendas deserve the same loathing as the killers themselves is a bit much, to say the least. Can you really blame people for wondering if stricter gun-control laws might be in order after an event such as this? I'm not claiming to have all the answers- I can see both sides. I'm a father, and a teacher, and I own firearms. There's a lot of grey that needs to be fully and honestly explored when it comes to gun violence in America. There are compelling arguments from both camps. I'm not sure where I stand, but I don't think that this is the time or the place to debate gun control.

The only reason i put that in the essay has been the fact that in less than an hour of this trdegy, MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell started the "We need more gun control laws... stronge ones that will keep the guns out of "gun free zones"...

Raellus: I do like the idea of not publicizing the real names of mass killers. Based on psychological profiles of mass killers, in some cases, a desire for notoriety is one motivating factor. Perhaps if folks knew up front that they wouldn't be immortalized for their heinous, cowardly, selfish acts of violence, they would think twice. Anything to dissuade even one would-be killer from taking the final step would be worthwhile, IMHO.

In the State of Israel, teachers carry firears with them at all times... and the children have been safe and well rounded. the teachers see what they are doing as a very valuable duty that must require them to be the last line of defense for these chidlren while they are in school.

Nate it does not matter what someone else said. It doesn't matter if other institutions that are supposed to be apolitical are not keeping up to that standard.

I feel your frustration, but we will NOT argue these issues here.

Mods if this continues to go political, lock this thread or delete posts with my blessing.

[Rockwolf66]

Originally Posted by natehale1971

I have always felt that the person who commits these crimes be refereed to by a 'codename' instead of their birthname in a way that is similar to the British Judicial system refering to Jane or John Doe in soe cases... in a way of robbing these monsters from getting remembered...

it's been something i've been trying to get my head around all day.

heck, i was so happy some replacements of many RPG games that i use to have came last night... but i can't even open them right now.

I was going to spend the day finishing writing a story I am working on then type it up tomorrow. Alas I check my E-mail and social feeds as soon as i get up. I couldn't write today and it seems that Monday might be the earliest i can get pencil to paper. I agree with Natehale that we need to stop Glamorizing these F****rs and take their Infamy away from them. Then we should let it be known that Shooter Dips**t was dumped in some random outhouse to rot forgotten.

The deaths of Children is one of the hardest emotional things that I have ever had to deal with. Even though I don't know any of the children involved it hurts and it brings up things that are painful memories. The loss of belovied pets arn't even as bad as the loss of my Nephew who died way to soon.

Unfortunantly there are people who are useing this incident for their own purposes and it is upsetting me even more. Some of those people are Media vultures and others are people who should no better than to use the deaths of Children to further their own goals.

I should stop ranting but it's not the time to go out into the woods and scream, yell, throw or kick things. To do something to make this feeling of being totally helpless go away.

[Snake Eyes]

I have a friend with two kids in that school, who are happily safe at home tonight. He was in the gym there last night coaching basketball. This hits hard. There is a lot left unknown about all of what went down there this morning. I have a lot of opinions on the topics of gun rights, responsible journalism and the state of mental health care in this country, but this isn't that venue and today isn't that day. Hug your kids tonight.

[DigTw0Grav3s]

Just a quick thought; the media is now reporting that the suspect had some form of autism. Should the discussion (at large, not here) really be on gun control, or a massive gap in a psychological safety net in the United States? We're so quick to politicize without considering causality.

Such a disastrous waste. The actual families affected are sadly nothing compared to the children who aren't going to feel safe in a classroom going forward.

[Cdnwolf]

Just for comparison... no one was killed in the china incident...

AND PLEASE LEAVE POLITICS OUT THIS THREAD OR I WILL REMOVE IT


BEIJING A man wielding a knife attacked students Friday at a school in central China, leaving 22 children and one adult injured, according to state-run media reports.


The attack occurred at the gate of an elementary school in the village of Chengping, in Henan Province. Police arrested the attacker, who they identified as local resident Min Yingjun, 36.



Children as young as six were among those hospitalized after the attack, suffering injuries including slashes to the ears and head.

An official at Guangshan Traditional Chinese Medicine Hospital, the local facility, told CBS News at least two students had been transferred to the larger city of Wuhan, not far from Chengping, for treatment. The editor of the local newspaper which first reported the story said none of the children had injuries severe enough to threaten their lives.

[headquarters]

My condolances . for the tragedy that has befallen is a particularily harsh one as it is Aimed at innocent children.

What Raellus said. The pro anti gun debate has no Place at a time like this. There will be time for that eventually.

God I hate people who commits atrocities like these mass shootings.