Division Cuba Revisited

[Raellus]

I apologize for not being more clear. I was just thinking out loud, as it were, contemplating the idea of a Cuban invasion of the American SE, in addition to the Soviet "Division Cuba". I realize that it's not canonical and I'm not advocating that it should be. I just thought it would be an interesting topic of discussion.

[Olefin]

No actually it is an interesting topic and it would be a great alternative to the canon if people want to play a variation.

It wouldnt fit within the canon per se because it would change so much - basically a lot of the mid 1998 canon and on would go down the tubes.

But it could be used for those who want to use the Twilight 2000 rules for a Red Dawn type war instead of the Twilight War - focused more on the US than on Europe.

For instance in such an invasion would the CivGov and MilGov split have even occurred since it would take an all out effort by the remaining forces in the US to keep the Cubans at bay?

Would the US continue the war in Europe or abandon its allies with the Russians still having significant forces because the troops are better needed at home?

[Raellus]

All good points. I should have included a disclaimer or something along the lines of "Alternative Scenario" in my thread starter post.

[Tegyrius]

Instead of invasion during the war, how about Cuba (possibly with the aid of some orphaned Soviet naval assets) making a play for any remaining oil platforms in the Gulf post-2000? This could bring them onto the stage of Red Star, Lone Star and make for the beginnings of a naval campaign off the Texas coast.

Alternately or additionally, they might be interested in helping stomp on the New America cell in Florida (Urban Guerilla) once they became aware of NA's agenda... particularly if NA was subtly targeting Cuban-Americans with its various antics. That could make for a very "strange bedfellows" sort of arrangement.

- C.

[Olefin]

Originally Posted by Tegyrius

Instead of invasion during the war, how about Cuba (possibly with the aid of some orphaned Soviet naval assets) making a play for any remaining oil platforms in the Gulf post-2000? This could bring them onto the stage of Red Star, Lone Star and make for the beginnings of a naval campaign off the Texas coast.

Alternately or additionally, they might be interested in helping stomp on the New America cell in Florida (Urban Guerilla) once they became aware of NA's agenda... particularly if NA was subtly targeting Cuban-Americans with its various antics. That could make for a very "strange bedfellows" sort of arrangement.

- C.

Now that is a great idea - having the Cubans actually help the US out by taking on NA! In my campaign we actually allied with the Cubans on Grenada to take out the NA sponsored pirates off of Grenada and then helped them get home. You could see them getting home and telling their commanders that NA is bad news - that they are a threat to not only the US but to Cuba and that they had to be stopped before they got too strong.

The idea about the oil platforms also is a good one - they are abandoned so the Cubans could salvage them and put them back into operation - maybe even offer MilGov or CivGov a share of the oil in return for the Cubans "protecting" the oil platforms from pirates or marauders.

[Adm.Lee]

Originally Posted by Olefin

Now that is a great idea - having the Cubans actually help the US out by taking on NA! In my campaign we actually allied with the Cubans on Grenada to take out the NA sponsored pirates off of Grenada and then helped them get home. You could see them getting home and telling their commanders that NA is bad news - that they are a threat to not only the US but to Cuba and that they had to be stopped before they got too strong.

The idea about the oil platforms also is a good one - they are abandoned so the Cubans could salvage them and put them back into operation - maybe even offer MilGov or CivGov a share of the oil in return for the Cubans "protecting" the oil platforms from pirates or marauders.

Not to mention the Cubans might have enough boats available to try and start up some influence-building by trading all over Florida. Not conquest, but certainly building friendly ties. We've seen that the post-Castro junta there is not willing to fight the Yankees directly, but maybe a soft approach?

Now, if that carrier hulk that some of us are talking about is still grounded off Key West as a MilGov (Navy) outpost, we have the workings of a Gulf campaign.

[Cdnwolf]

An interesting look at Cuba during a modern war ... try this book



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_(novel))

[Matt Wiser]

An excellent read, Vortex. It's in the suggested fiction thread, btw.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by Raellus

I apologize for not being more clear. I was just thinking out loud, as it were, contemplating the idea of a Cuban invasion of the American SE, in addition to the Soviet "Division Cuba". I realize that it's not canonical and I'm not advocating that it should be. I just thought it would be an interesting topic of discussion.

I found it interesting. I may actually may use for coming up with scenarios for using my micro armor, as it would match the forces that I have nicely. I always had too much Soviet and American equipment if it was just The Mexicans/Division Cuba and the smattering of US forces. If you add the Cubans and don't deploy US forces to Jugoslavia in 1998, larger armor battles (of the type I would like to simulate) become more logical. It also gives me an excuse to try to model an American town in addition to all the Central/Eastern European stuff I have.

I could give my French equipment to the Mexicans and explain my small amount of British/German/Chinese forces as being similar to:
British 1/The Cheshire Regiment
British 1/The Royal Hampshire Regiment
West German 81st Panzer Grenadier Battalion
West German 53rd Panzer Battalion

which canon has in Canada for training. (Does anyone know the source for this off hand, I totally forgot, but they are in my databases). Having them training at FT Hood instead would add them to the mix.

[Olefin]

The whole scenario of the Cuban invasion is sort of a Twilight 2000 reboot as more of a straight WWIII military game if you think about - with the action moving to the US now with an all out Cuban invasion possibly bringing real armored warfare to areas that didnt see it in the regular timeline

and having the forces that went to Yugoslavia instead having to be sent against the Cubans takes them to being back in the thick of things instead of to a backwater

[Olefin]

Originally Posted by kato13

I found it interesting. I may actually may use for coming up with scenarios for using my micro armor, as it would match the forces that I have nicely. I always had too much Soviet and American equipment if it was just The Mexicans/Division Cuba and the smattering of US forces. If you add the Cubans and don't deploy US forces to Jugoslavia in 1998, larger armor battles (of the type I would like to simulate) become more logical. It also gives me an excuse to try to model an American town in addition to all the Central/Eastern European stuff I have.

I could give my French equipment to the Mexicans and explain my small amount for British/German/Chinese forces as being similar to:
British 1/The Cheshire Regiment
British 1/The Royal Hampshire Regiment
West German 81st Panzer Grenadier Battalion
West German 53rd Panzer Battalion

which canon has in Canada for training. (Does anyone know the source for this off hand, I totally forgot, but they are in my databases). Having them training at FT Hood instead would add them to the mix.

arent those units in the Canada magazine article if I remember right?

[Rainbow Six]

Originally Posted by Olefin

arent those units in the Canada magazine article if I remember right?

That's correct. I can't recall the issue number off hand but it was one of the first Challenge magazines to be published after Twilight 2000 was launched (iirc same issue also had a mini adventure set in Iran entitled Shell Game). Both the UK and Germany have permanent bases in Canada - the British at Suffield, Alberta and the Germans at Shilo, Manitoba.

[Panther Al]

Originally Posted by kato13

I found it interesting. I may actually may use for coming up with scenarios for using my micro armor, as it would match the forces that I have nicely. I always had too much Soviet and American equipment if it was just The Mexicans/Division Cuba and the smattering of US forces. If you add the Cubans and don't deploy US forces to Jugoslavia in 1998, larger armor battles (of the type I would like to simulate) become more logical. It also gives me an excuse to try to model an American town in addition to all the Central/Eastern European stuff I have.

I could give my French equipment to the Mexicans and explain my small amount for British/German/Chinese forces as being similar to:
British 1/The Cheshire Regiment
British 1/The Royal Hampshire Regiment
West German 81st Panzer Grenadier Battalion
West German 53rd Panzer Battalion

which canon has in Canada for training. (Does anyone know the source for this off hand, I totally forgot, but they are in my databases). Having them training at FT Hood instead would add them to the mix.

Not sure about the German Units, but it probably wouldn't take too much handwavium to say that at the least the British Units was moved to say, NTC, for workups before joining up with British Forces in the Middle East before things went pear shaped.