Weapons in the uk - in a t2k scenario

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by dude_uk

Sig Sauer?
"THEM" switched to this pistol at some point prior to 9/11. When exactly, I can't be sure.

The late 1980s-early 1990s. I personally saw them in use with Brit SAS when a large contingent of "THEM" deployed to Australia for desert training prior to Gulf War 1. Of the few I was able to get my dirty paws on, they were all P226, I don't know if they had any others.

Originally Posted by dude_uk

Colt M16
Used by special forces and was for a while issued to Northern Ireland based
infantry units. About 10,000 were ordered, mostly M16A1's. What happened to these weapons is a mystery.

Brit SAS also used the XM-177E2 version of the CAR-15 in limited numbers.

Originally Posted by dude_uk

Accuracy International L96A1 Sniper rifle.
The standard 90's sniper rifle. Occasional in continental and foreign based UK units. VERY rare in UK ones.

This would have been the crossover period as there were still large numbers of the L42A1 in service in the early 1990s.
Plus there would also be some Parker-Hale M82 rifle. Possibly with EOD units and also in civilian police service, as I believe the military felt the M82 was a bit too finicky or not robust enough (or something of that nature) for army use. However the greatest number served as training rifles in the Cadet forces as the L81, all chambered for 7.62mm NATO but these are configured as civilian target rifles rather than proper sniping rifles.

Originally Posted by dude_uk

Machine guns.

L4A4 LMG
A modified 7.62mm 'Bren' this weapons was issued as an LMG to support units who did not require GPMG. I have no idea of the amount made. But see L1A1.

Not a huge number in existence as they were all conversions of .303 Brens (using the knowledge gained by Inglis of Canada from the manufacture of Nationalist Chinese contract Bren guns chambered for the 7.92x57mm Mauser round)

Originally Posted by dude_uk

Browning M2 .50 (L1A1)

There was also another Browning machinegun in use with British forces and it was found in large numbers due to the use as a co-ax on earlier tanks and for arming APCs. The L3, the British designation for the Browning M1919A4.
If you really want to mess with the PCs supply chain, these British Brownings could be the WW2 era Mk1 and Mk2 models that were chambered for .303

I believe that up to the 1980s the British also kept modest stocks of the Vickers Machine Gun as a potential support MG. the notion being that they would be chambered in 7.62mm NATO as the South Africans and Australians had done to some of their Vickers guns. I don't have any solid references to this but the Vickers was still used until March 1968 and if it was kept in war stores for the same 20-30 year period that Australia has, it's possible there would still be stocks of them in the 1990s.

Originally Posted by dude_uk

Anti-tank.

M72 LAW (L1A3B1)
Cheap bunker and light vehicles buster. If the US is still using this, The UK would too. (How heavy is this for those who carried it?)

2.5kg from memory but that's approximate because there's minor variation based on what model and who made it.

[CDAT]

The US Army started phasing out the LAW's in the mid late 1980's for the AT-4 I do know that some were taken to Desert Storm, but as far as I know that was really the last of them. Tell jumping to mid late 2000's the USMC started making a new updated LAW's.

[Brother in Arms]

Quite honestly there are lots of firearms in the UK just mostly out of the hands of civilians.

British 1919 in 7.62 NATO would probably be around, fairly common vehicles in the 70's and 80's, Ferret and Shorland Armored cars had them. (they were also in .30-06 and .303 as well at different periods of time)

I honestly don't know how common the SA-80 would really be I think a lot of things would be different with this rifle if the twilight war had happened.

That being said the Single shot or manually operated CADET model would be an interesting rifle to have appear in the game.

Id much rather carry an SLR than any SA-80..

and yes the SAS used the XM-177 and XM-177E1 but i haven't seen the E2 being used by them. They also used the HK G3A3, G3A4 and G3A3K

Enfield even made these HK type weapons!!!!

Also there is/was a bunker in Faldingworth with about 100,000+ Ak's (and load of other arms) in it but they wouldn't be there if the war in the Balkans hadn't ended. Might be a good place to have in a game.

[StainlessSteelCynic]

Originally Posted by Brother in Arms

I honestly don't know how common the SA-80 would really be I think a lot of things would be different with this rifle if the twilight war had happened.

Probably would be quite common for the 2nd Edition timeline, I tend to agree with a few others in thinking that the product development would have been accelerated once war was looming on the horizon.

Originally Posted by Brother in Arms

and yes the SAS used the XM-177 and XM-177E1 but i haven't seen the E2 being used by them.

Opps my mistake, I actually meant the E1 version. I'm going to blame the keyboard because I'm certainly not going to blame my lack of attention & clumsy, fat fingers!
The SAS also used the Ingram MAC10 before they switched to the MP5 series so that's another potential weapon for British Forces.

[Targan]

Originally Posted by Brother in Arms

Id much rather carry an SLR than any SA-80.

Word.