Favorite Shotgun

[Brother in Arms]

waiting

there has been lots of great developments but none really ever caught on. I think mainly because of the design of the shotshell itself....it's heavy, bulk, rimmed and is also semi flexible and can potentially deform or swell. Also they vary in pressure depending on payload of the round which can really affect semi auto or full auto function. Also ultimately its always been a back burner weapon for the military.

Here are some interesting designs:

SOF (MIWS)
Swatriplex 18
Striker 12
MAG-7
SPAS-15
Pancor Jack Hammer
AA-12
Neostead
SAIGA-12

Of course newer Kel tec KSG and UTAS 12 (but these are more or less copies of earlier designs but took 30 years to finally catch on)

[waiting4something]

I know what your saying Brother. There have been other styles of shotguns made outside the tubular feed models, but they are never really that much of a improvement. The Vepr 12 looks like the best thing that has come out in awhile, but that is no Twilight 2000 weapon. Your right, I think the fact that we are still using the same 12 gauge ammo that we have been using for over 100 years is a big part of this problem. It'd be like trying to design every rifle around a .45-70 round. The CAWS program ventured into using different sized cartridges and I think that was about as far as it went.

[Brother in Arms]

I have always been impressed by the full length brass cases developed for the CAWS by Olin. The Russians also have used full length steel cases.

One of the reasons the CAWS failed was the flechette rounds didn't properly stabilize.They have been trying to develop a flechette launching firearm for a long time.

Shot shells and there construction have come a long way even since the 1980's but the real problem is the sheer size of the cartridge. I think if they used modern sabots and maybe rifled bore they might be able to achieve more.

Perhaps the 3 1/2 shells will come to prominence in the future. But I think shotguns in general will always be hampered.


Brother in Arms

[Olefin]

my fave is the one I carried in the game as well as have in real life

My great grandfather's double barrel 10 gauge lupara

Very very reliable - and no matter what you are wearing for body armor if both barrels hit you, you arent going to be standing

(and yes it kicks like an sob if you pull both barrels)

Basically the ultimate close combat weapon - nothing says "goodbye Ivan" after you kick the door in better than that - except maybe a grenade (regular or for those into Call of Duty the rocket propelled variety)

biggest problem in the game was finding ammo - basically had to get my empties reloaded - managed to find a small amount of shells in Krakow that were new but otherwise no luck

[Rockwolf66]

Someone call General Pain,


http://victran.tumblr.com/post/73871...-aces-tactical

It seems that Real life is trying to out munchkin him with an 18" long shotgun that feeds from Saiga 12 magazines.