Stoner Weapon System replacement?

[.45cultist]

And the 3rd ed. stated equipment and manuals were added to sleeping teams gear. I'd think stuff like computers would require classes.

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by .45cultist

And the 3rd ed. stated equipment and manuals were added to sleeping teams gear. I'd think stuff like computers would require classes.

Depends upon the complexity. A touch screen with macro that prompt actions, open menus, or prompts for data imputs........ a 2015 autonav that acts like a turn by turn GPS for example.

Additionally, updates might mean only one member or the primary and secondary operators are awaked. Such as radio operators.

This does run up the risk of disclosing the bolt hole location. However, I think that the remote locations of most bolt holes; coupled with the indepth deception techniques, means the probability itself is low.

[bobcat]

honestly i could see the project leaving most of the equipment in place why tear out and replace a good logistics mechanism just because there's some shiny, new, untested weapons system out there.

that said i could see them streamlining some of the logistical hurdles that they had to make do with as some of the kit gets improves. for example removing the HK69's M203's and M79's and replacing them with HK M320's which can serve as either an under barrel or standalone grenade launcher. and replacing the M60's and MAG 58's with the M240B. i could also see upgrade and modernization kits for existing weapons in the inventory such as the Uzi, Stoner, and such. this would limit the amount of time spent training the teams on all new weapon systems and allow older assets to continue to serve their purpose.

i never understood why the Project failed to reduce the logistical stress of having so many ammunition types to maintain among individual weapons. standardization would have been a far smarter course of action.

[mmartin798]

Originally Posted by bobcat

i never understood why the Project failed to reduce the logistical stress of having so many ammunition types to maintain among individual weapons. standardization would have been a far smarter course of action.

I am not sure 9 different types of small arms ammunition (9x19, 5.56x45, 5.56x45 linked, 7.62x51, 7.62x51 linked, 12.7x99 linked, .44 magnum, .357 magnum and 12 Ga 00 buckshot magnum) would cause that much of a logistical problem. They are common rounds for US military, so it would not be that difficult to find. The Project most likely had a JIT inventory model in mind.

You might be able to make a case for heavy weapons producing more logistical stress. But in those cases, 40mm grenades and 81mm mortar rounds become more specialized in purpose than a slug.

[bobcat]

Originally Posted by mmartin798

I am not sure 9 different types of small arms ammunition (9x19, 5.56x45, 5.56x45 linked, 7.62x51, 7.62x51 linked, 12.7x99 linked, .44 magnum, .357 magnum and 12 Ga 00 buckshot magnum) would cause that much of a logistical problem. They are common rounds for US military, so it would not be that difficult to find. The Project most likely had a JIT inventory model in mind.

You might be able to make a case for heavy weapons producing more logistical stress. But in those cases, 40mm grenades and 81mm mortar rounds become more specialized in purpose than a slug.

its not just caliber though magazines by my count in 3E you have 4 different 5.56mm non-compatible magazines types to maintain and supply, you also have repair and replacement parts that need to be stocked, depot maintenance teams to train, and so on. all the extra hubris gets in the way and especially with a JIT logistics system you're going to have problems that will escalate rapidly enough that MARS and recon teams will run out of supplies at critical points and before you know it prime base has been overrun by a group of barbarians.

streamlining the loadouts to reduce the logistics footprint would also be essential in keeping the project from becoming too visible during the planning and staging. its easier to whitewash very large purchases of weapons from a small number or suppliers than it is with large purchases of weapons from a large number of suppliers.

[mmartin798]

Originally Posted by bobcat

streamlining the loadouts to reduce the logistics footprint would also be essential in keeping the project from becoming too visible during the planning and staging. its easier to whitewash very large purchases of weapons from a small number or suppliers than it is with large purchases of weapons from a large number of suppliers.

I see what you are talking about now. But in this case, there is nothing to hide. Morrow Industries has large scale excavation projects, failed mining projects, accidents at nuclear waste disposal facilities and still has a huge manufacturing base. There is nothing to stop them from milling, stamping and assembling their own replacement parts, probably without license, for the purpose you propose. There would be no weapons purchases. Just lots of steel bar stock and rolled steel that would be trivial to explain.

[kato13]

Originally Posted by mmartin798

There would be no weapons purchases. Just lots of steel bar stock and rolled steel that would be trivial to explain.

In the event there is an unforeseen truck jackknife or train derailment (and the associated local/federal investigations) there better be some type of cover story that holds up until you can cover your tracks.

If a box car with hundreds of military grade weapons/ordinance with no documentation whatsoever is found, the ATF, DOD, and FBI would be swarming all over wherever it came from.

This makes me think you need to have at least one legit purchase of everything you need. Then you can say you are just moving it around.



Edit. I have been thinking about this a little more and I could see the Project deal with a corrupt Military Quartermaster at some point so they could have a fall guy. You buy stuff from him on the black market and then when you produce new product, you give then the same serial numbers as the stolen material. That way if anything gets intercepted the military, atf and fbi will start looking in the wrong place.