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04-19-2015, 10:56 AM
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04-19-2015, 04:22 PM
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I took the kits contents from Operation Lucifer but I admit it is a little light.
I think we could add some the following as many are pretty small (these are items in my personal equipment packs as well) Canteen 1 Liter Colapasable Canteen 1 Liter Cover Canteen 2 Liter Canteen 2 Liter Cover Canteen Cup & stand Bath Tissue 2-Ply 550sheet, Roll Mess Kit (Stainless KFS,pan,tray) Knfie fork spoon Mess Kit Bag Can Opener (P-38) x 2 Bungee Cord x 2 Shelter Half Wool Blanket Single Edged Razor Blade x 10 Boot Knife Swiss Army Knife Leather Man tool (Pliers) Leatherman Micra (Scissors) Cigarette Lighter (Multifuel) Magnesium Fire Starter Lensatic Sighting Compass Small Arms Cleaning Kit Deck of Cards (Paper Box) Die x2 Pencil x 3 Tactical Memo Book (3.5" x 6" / 60 pages) Super Glue, Tube 3g .10 oz Personal Defense Spray Small Sewing Kit Pacer Beads Mini Binoculars You might even add a few coins or other items from the trade packs depending on the situation.
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06-08-2015, 03:57 PM
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04-19-2015, 05:15 PM
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Personally, I would say that the designated contact people should have assembled their own pack so that the contents were unique but sensible to the individuals. Remember, they don't need to survive on this stuff more than a day or so, and they can always say that they just lost <insert vital gear here> a few days ago due to river/bandits/throwing-it-off-a-cliff!
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04-19-2015, 05:26 PM
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I look at it that to well equipped the contact person leaves themselves open to harassment. Not everyone will have access to a canteen for instance. In fact that's a pretty rare piece of equipment unless you go out and look for one. Not everyone goes camping or has a army navy store nearby.
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04-19-2015, 06:01 PM
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I think it all depends on the situation.
If you have a trading post type town having more might be ok. The more im thinking about it the more I like the concept of pretending to be a refugee. Seeing how they treat someone who is helpless might be a good indicator of the general vibe of the town.
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04-19-2015, 10:23 PM
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I did a test recently. Mostly because I was putting together a new Get Home Bag and I asked several of my friends if they had things I would consider essentials. Things like canteens and backpacks or sleeping bags and what not. Out of them all only two had any kind of preparations or gear. One is a avid camper so of course she was well equipped and the other had a backpack and that was it. Everyone is a refugee when the world ends these days. But very few are equipped to handle it. I like to think that a contact person needs to blend in, and in a world of refugee's then its time to dress like one.
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04-20-2015, 11:11 PM
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I would expect a Contact Specialist from either Recon or Specialist Psy Ops to spend a few days with any group. Any judgements made in a few hours would be little more than snap judgements.
In this way, I feel the equipment has to fill the expectations. I, totally, agree that the Contact Specialist would have built the kit from thrift store purchases pre-War. This way the clothes would fit, the boots broken in, and the equipment would be familiar. Wouldn't want to be trying to use a flint & steel for the first time in front of new contacts.
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04-21-2015, 08:47 PM
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I kind of wonder if the Project actually would set up training scenario's using a fake town and civilians and send in teams to train in contact scenario's and defensive ones. Possible even combat scenario's. Easier in earlier editions of course as satellite surveillance and all the tracking that happens in todays world wouldn't exist. Or would everything be classroom and hope for the best.
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05-02-2015, 12:43 PM
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Might be my location...... Colorado is definitely and outdoor enthusiast state. You can buy a nalgene bottle at just about any gas station/convenience store here..... These are even routine swag at expo booths.
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05-02-2015, 06:42 PM
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My friends on the other hand have several hundred pounds of gear, and expect to split it between the three of them in three packs. Quite a bit of it they don't need. I mean one girl has a eight man tent! It weighs thirty pounds and when I asked if she was bringing water I got told she has a few small bottles and would drink from the stream or the pump if she got thirsty. She's not the brightest bulb at the best of times but I expected her to be smarter than that. People here expect to be able to drive in most of the time and the few walk in sites are usually empty except for one or two campers at a time. The drive in ones are always full.
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05-02-2015, 08:28 PM
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A blizzard here can mean empty shelves in grocery stores for seven to fourteen days on some items. It can also mean getting stuck because roads are closed. Really, though outdoor activities ranks highly on most peoples reasons for living in Colorado... typically skiing, snowboarding, camping, hiking, and climbing with a lot of runners and cyclists too.
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05-02-2015, 08:31 PM
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I have been to Bass Pro, Cabela's, REI, Sportsman's warehouse, Big 5, and several other large chains here locally. Then there is plenty of small business outdoor or army/navy surplus shops too.
Heck, I get used camping gear at yardsales and Good will. Sometimes it is in excellent shape.
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05-03-2015, 07:34 AM
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I have got to move out west...
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01-06-2016, 05:53 PM
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Items from contributors to this list; minus the insurance claims adjuster.
.30-06 bolt action 8'x6' tarp can opener civilian hiking pack flask of whiskey military poncho liner military style 1qt canteen with cup multitool Savage Axis .223 100' of 550 cord 1-3 bottles of booze 2 cans of soup 2 carabiners 20F Coleman bag 3 ears of corn 3 or 4 16/20 oz soda bottles. 4 tent stakes 50 rounds of loose ammo 80 beef bullion cubes A battered, non working MP3 player, with a concealed transmitter A buckskin wrap containing 14 oz of smoked dried meat. A film container containing 1/2 oz cannabis with small wood carved pipe. A piece of metal wrapped in duct tape for an improvised knife. a pretty well worn bike A tupperware container filled with peanuts. AA batteries Bandana, Neckercheif, Red 1 Bath Tissue 2-Ply 550sheet, Roll Belt, Leather 1 Boot Knife Boots, Hiking, Leather, "Kastinger" 1 Pair Bungee Cord x 2 Can Opener (P-38) x 2 Candles Canteen 1 Liter Colapasable Canteen 1 Liter Cover Canteen 2 Liter Canteen 2 Liter Cover Canteen Cup & stand Carbine, Marlin 1894, Cal. 44 Magnum 1 Cartridge, .44 Magnum 30 Cartridge, .44 Magnum 50 chewing tobacco chocolates Cigarette Lighter (Multifuel) civvie backpack coleman 4 burn condoms Deck of Cards (Paper Box) Die x2 disposable razors duct tape Flask, Hip, containing Scotch 12 oz Food, Canned 1 Days ration 3 freeze dried meals Glock Hat, Felt, floppy "crusher", white in color 1 Holster, Leather 1 Jacket, Denim, "Levis" 1 kerosene railroad lantern Knfie fork spoon large Coleman camp stove Leather Man tool (Pliers) Leatherman Micra (Scissors) Lensatic Sighting Compass Magnesium Fire Starter Mess Kit (Stainless KFS,pan,tray) Mess Kit Bag Military canteen on a leather belt Mini Binoculars MREs one liter Mt Dew bottle One or two pieces of Gold, 2 or 3 of silver Pacer Beads Pack and personal items, assorted Pack, Nylon (contents listed) Pack, Nylon 1 Pencil x 3 Personal Defense Spray Phone books (improvised TP) pre '64 junk silver prescription pain killers pump shotgun raw vodka or whiskey Revolver, M-29, Cal. .44 magnum w/ 6 1/2 bbl 1 semi auto AR-15 Shell, 12 Guage 30 Shelter Half Shirt, Work, Cotton Flannel, Plaid in color 2 Shotgun, Remington 870, 12 Guage 1 silver dollars Simple Fishing Gear Single Edged Razor Blade x 10 skinning and butchering tools Small Arms Cleaning Kit small bottles of hot sauce Small Sewing Kit Socks, Wool 4 Pair Solo Stove stale cigarettes Super Glue, Tube 3g .10 oz sweat shirt from the university that you attended possibly Swiss Army Knife Tactical Memo Book (3.5" x 6" / 60 pages) the last 100 pages of a paper back book. (used as toilet paper) Twine Underwear Wool Blanket Last edited by ArmySGT.; 01-06-2016 at 06:54 PM.
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05-03-2015, 12:59 PM
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1) The war will kill a lot of people and destroy or render unusable a great deal of equipment, but considering that many of the deaths will occur post-nukes and that most "outdoor equipment" will be in rural areas away from targeted sites, the amount of such equipment available per person should be greater than it is now. 2) Someone without the appropriate gear simply isn't travelling, especially alone. You're not making a cross-country journey on foot with refilled Dasani bottles (if any are still intact) - if that is all you have, you're staying put, or travelling as a refugee group if absolutely necessary. Your gear may not be pretty or well-integrated, but it will be functional and will cover all the basics. 3) At the time the contact pack is meant to be used, survivors will have had five years to loot National Guard armories, Army/Navy stores, and sporting goods suppliers. While a refugee in the first months might be wandering around with a partial kit, at this point everyone has either assembled a functional set of survival tools... or died. Oh, and everything I mentioned about gear applies to skills, too - the survivors 5 years in will either have had those skills to begin with, or would by necessity have acquired them in the interim. A lone, poorly equipped, unskilled traveler 5 years in would almost certainly be held in high suspicion.
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04-21-2015, 09:47 PM
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Sure its missing stuff, but a wanderer or traveller 5 years after WWIII would not have a complete kit, just what s/he could scrounge.
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04-21-2015, 10:18 PM
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04-21-2015, 10:45 PM
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Whether they have civilian gear or military is irrelevant - there will certainly be surplus military gear around, so a given traveler could easily have either. If it exists as an item of non-Morrow equipment, there is a plausible reason why a given traveler could have it or not have it.
The biggest problem for the contact person is not their gear, it is (at least the first time around) coming up with a reason why they are travelling in the first place, and explaining their inexplicable lack of knowledge about certain subjects. Remember, the contact person is not an emissary to some newly discovered aboriginal tribe, they are a distant cousin of that very same tribe, expected to share a certain degree of communal knowledge and experience.
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04-21-2015, 10:47 PM
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04-22-2015, 08:48 PM
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Military or Civilian wouldn't bother anyone..... 95% of the people on the planet died. National Guard armories would be looted (no ammunition in State armories). Any soldiers, guardsmen, or reservists homes would turn up anything issued currently and surplus from the past.
What I think screams "FAKE!" is that the kit has nothing to cook with or eat with. There isn't even a can opener for the canned goods. There isn't anything to sleep under like a wool blanket. If you can't live out of the kit, then you look like your weren't meant to; this means spy. Any survivors community would be suspicious just on account of raiders and thieves.
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04-23-2015, 10:29 AM
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I think the pack should have well used equipment but have lots of options. It could have 300 items, but the specialist might only carry 20 of them if that is what the situation calls for.
I can see the specialist posing as
Heck if they have good acting skills they might even portray a simpleton. I always try to remember that the project expected contact to be five years after and had literally no idea what they would find, so I like flexibility. Even though we had a 95% death rate there could still be a town with 10,000 people. That requires a different interaction plan than if you are dealing with the standard two street town as seen in so many westerns, where everyone knows everyone and a new face would draw much attention.
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04-23-2015, 11:37 AM
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Me and some friends were talking about prepping and it was noted that walled towns would become a thing again. So fences and wrecked cars and the like would quickly go up around towns and such. With visitors being screened as they came in or allowed only outside a town in a designated trade area.
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04-23-2015, 03:15 PM
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I agree that borders would be as solid as people could make them for a central secure area, but people could not stay in those areas all the time. They simply could not create borders large enough to enclose an area that would feed them. In many situations you end up with a mid-evil castle or western territory fort type situation IMO.
That was always my problem with the Road Warrior. Where is their food coming from? If areas are producing surplus agriculture you could end up with a highly fortified section like found in the movie. Where those around the area trade food for "Juice", but your first interaction would probably be with someone in the farms surrounding any central secured point. I should add the caveat that my thoughts are for a group of 5 year survivors. Over 150 years it would be possible to cover a significant border with protection, but then it still would be very difficult to have the manpower to patrol it all.
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