San Diego Based Article?

[Olefin]

It definitely predates me being on the board

and while its very interesting it has a lot of issues with the canon

I am usually not a canon defender but it adds Soviet units that would have been in the canon Soviet Forces V1 and V2.2 versions

And Project Pyoter is definitely a canon buster - I dont see the Soviets being able to transit anything like that kind of force especially in the Pacific - if you want to see how bad a shape they were in look at Satellite Down to give you an indication of what they had left as to naval forces - and you need A LOT of ships to transit even a single division let alone whole armies

And the New Jersey battle is definitely one that needs some rewrites - 30mm CWS isnt going to do squat to an incoming 16 inch shell - even if they did get hits that somehow kept them from detonating the impact speed and size of those shells would have blown huge holes in Frunze - and hell if you are at 2300 yards why not just go ahead and ram while you are at it - plus she has 12 5inch guns that at 2300 yards would turn Frunze into Swiss Cheese

plus those teakwood decks have 7.5 inches of armor plate under them - those SS-N-19's would probably bounce off her

[kalos72]

Id love to get your opinion on the separation...I am not well versed in pure canon.

[unkated]

I did like the Boras - the light cruiser sized hovercraft. They are just the kind of slightly outre engineering concept that the Soviets could make work - where a western government would stop to consider the opportunity cost vs benefit, and go build three of something else instead.

However, note that such a beast would use a LOT of fuel at each outing; and, of course making it large enough to carry a lot of fuel will make it too heavy to operate, so it will not have a lot of range. And presumably the lack of fuel is what stopped their further use.

[On a side note, where we all laughed at the Soviet hovercraft designs in the Soviet Vehicle Guide, the Soviets did have a small number of hover-transports for seaborne landings - some 50 that were platoon sized, 10 that were company-sized (100t), and a few that were battalion sized (310t); the Boras would be ~10xs as heavy.]

However, the two that attacked USS Munro off Australia had no reason to get within visual range at all; somehow I doubt that Munro could close the range if they can make 40-45 kn. The Boras would enter their radar envelope, get a fix, fire, turn away. Radar would tell them if probably if there is a hit; major change in Munro's speed would be a giveaway, at which point they could turn back for survivors. if not, they are already opening the distance on Munro.

Uncle Ted

[kalos72]

So...thinking about ways to counter the Soviet navy in the Pacific, would you go PT boats again with torpedos or try and develop a simple anti-ship missile system perhaps?

Or maybe sailing ships, with engine backups, with hidden torpedo tubes? Maybe disguised as fishing boats?

It would seem like some of the older torpedos are pretty simple tech wise...

[stormlion1]

Subs, lots of subs.

[kalos72]

And since making new Los Angeles class submarines MIGHT be out of the realm of realistic....

Creative options?

Another question for me is, why do we still think we need to project into the South Pacific here? None of those countries can help us rebuild...cept maybe Japan/Australia.

[unkated]

It's not creative, but it is simple and obvious, and would probably be done 5 minutes after the climax of the Battle of the Aleutians - (if not as soon as tac nukes start flying)

2 nukes to take out the Navy base in Petrapavolvsk and Vladivostok. Bye bye stocks of navy parts and ammo and fuel. And repair facilities. Pretty much done right there.

BTW, this can also be done by conventional TLAM attack launced by sub or by B-52 standing off a few hundred miles as soon as the US enters the war.

Uncle Ted