Tank graveyard

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by robert.munsey

You idiot, it is not the distance outside the cone, it is the depth of the cone that has to be right. Along with the angle.
The road cratering charges are built a certain way and the legs are not part of the stand off. When was the last time you employed one? Get your facts straight.

Didn't I just say that? Inverted and opposite....... If the cone is 6 inches deep and 30 degrees the focus point is opposite of this ........ 6 inches in front.

Oh.........that is exactly why the legs exist.......the stand off for the plasma jet from the shaped charge.

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[robert.munsey]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

Didn't I just say that? Inverted and opposite....... If the cone is 6 inches deep and 30 degrees the focus point is opposite of this ........ 6 inches in front.

Oh.........that is exactly why the legs exist.......the stand off for the plasma jet from the shaped charge.

They existed for the old M3 not the current cratering charges brother. The legs on the old M3 Cratering charge did not exist for stand off.
Check your facts, it is not for the plasma jet. Ask your C-IED trainers in your unit for the real facts on EFP warheads.

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by robert.munsey

They existed for the old M3 not the current cratering charges brother. The legs on the old M3 Cratering charge did not exist for stand off.
Check your facts, it is not for the plasma jet. Ask your C-IED trainers in your unit for the real facts on EFP warheads.

When did Explosively Formed Penetrators (EFP)s, formerly called platter charges..... Become cratering charges?

EFPs are for attacking armor from the side by punching a slug through the armor not burning a hole in armor with a hot plasma jet.

So before you want to insult me........and tell me what is what.....

[Olefin]

Originally Posted by ArmySGT.

When did Explosively Formed Penetrators (EFP)s, formerly called platter charges..... Become cratering charges?

EFPs are for attacking armor from the side by punching a slug through the armor not burning a hole in armor with a hot plasma jet.

So before you want to insult me........and tell me what is what.....

actually you have been doing that quite enough on your own - lets dial it down a little shall we?

[ArmySGT.]

Originally Posted by Olefin

actually you have been doing that quite enough on your own - lets dial it down a little shall we?

No. I have stuck deliberately to the subject without the name calling. Stick to the subject.

Ok, the Branch jokes I will take responsibility for. Those are unspecific to the individual.

[Olefin]

actually I have stuck the subject - the one who has been making unneccesary comments has been, by and large, yourself ArmySgt

and back to the subject - so obviously looking at how the canon modules were written marauders aren't quite the deadly tank killers that they have been painted to be here by some people - which makes sense -

One thing to keep in mind is the conscript nature of many of the armies that make up T2K - while those with Special Forces or explosives training had a lot of ideas on how to take out tanks your average conscript did not have that kind of training - so while a Ranger or Green Beret or Spetsnaz trained soldier or combat engineer who has worked with explosives may have all kinds of nasty surprises your typical conscript is probably going to not have much beyond "throw the Molotov" as a way to take out tanks or armored vehicles once the unit has expended any anti-tank weapons they have

that goes for the Soviet, Mexican and Chinese armies - so marauders from those forces are probably going to not be the best improvised armor killers unless they fought a lot of armor

in other words a Mexican conscript that spent his war years fighting SWAT teams, National Guard or reserve infantry with no armor or guerrillas isnt going to have much experience to draw on when that tank comes over the hill - whereas marauders in Poland who have spent years surviving tank assaults are probably going to be the ones who come up with all kinds of ways to take you on

a great example of this would be in the Caribbean - the Cubans who took Grenada over again are having a real fun time there - not because of whats left of the police - its because of several ex- Special Forces guys who retired there making improvised explosives

again read the description of the attack on Brownsville - the marauders, with no experience facing down armor, get their heads handed to them - but the character party, who is assumed to have survived all the fun in the sun in Poland and Germany, is expected to have all kinds of ways to brew up armor

but I dont see Special Forces types or lots of European vets in marauder forces - at least not in late 2000-early 2001 when much of the game is set - those Omega guys have a long way to go to get to CA - so if Littlefields tanks do show up, most likely those who take them on are going to be the same type of troops that panicked at Brownsville -i.e. conscript Mexican forces who havent taken on any kind of real armored force and dont have guys with them with all kinds of experience fighting tanks or marauders who may be great at spraying a lot of bullets around terrorizing farmers and small communities but who wouldnt know the first thing about taking on tanks

[Legbreaker]

What is it about this forum where anyone who disagrees with your point of view and actually shows some actual subject knowledge gets stomped on?
So many armchair warriors!!!

HEAT rounds can be made in small workshops, provided the maths is right. They are at the most basic just another form of shaped charge. The real issue is, as I said, getting the maths right to maximise effectiveness.

Hell, you don't even need a workshop for a shaped charge! I know because I've made them with my own hands out of scrap found around the barracks (nothing you could stick on an RPG though).

Tanks are vulnerable to any number of tactics and weapons. They are not now, in the past, or anytime in the foreseeable future particularly difficult to knock out by a determined opposition. That said, infantry (and I was one of them) are just so much red mist if caught out in the open - it's up to the unit commanders to be aware of their units limitations (of ALL types) and avoid putting them into suicidal situations.

[Raellus]

And this is why we can't have nice things.

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